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2017/09/24 19:55:22 (permalink)
...Time to upgrade!
 
My current system has served me well since building it in 2008. Having upgraded the Vid Card once, upgrading the CPU once, adding more ram and updating the OS, I consider almost 10 years to be quite a milestone for a system - especially for a system that runs 24/7/365. It's quite the testament to EVGA quality. My last upgrade of CPU and RAM got me another ~2 years of useful service.
 
I'm at a point where 4K video and certain newer games just aren't gonna happen with my current rig, and I'd like to design some longevity into this new build(if that's even possible).
 
I plan on keeping my Antec 900 case and Antec 850watt PS. As well as my EVGA GTX 760 vid card.
 
The Motherboard I plan on getting is the EVGA Z270 FTW K, 132-KS-E277-KR, but with the Antec case and lower mounted PS, it looks like I may have issues with the edge mounted connectors on the bottom of the board. Anyone have any feedback on using this Mobo in such an install?
 
Couple of quick questions: RAM, what is considered the best performing RAM for this Mobo?
What about CPU? I'm eyeing the I7 7700 as it seems to be the best rated for Gaming and A/V apps.
Are there any benefits from using SSD's where 4K streaming is concerned?
 
Any input or feedback is appreciated. Keeping in mind I have a budget for this build of about $1k. 

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/09/24 23:59:46 (permalink)
The PSU would have me a little bit worried because of the connector on the motherboard and of course the front header on a the Antec 900 is probably USB 2.0 instead of 3.0 if it is from 2008. I think you would have a little bit of room for the bottom but it really wouldn't be that much and would really be pretty rough to get it to fit and would take making the connection and then sliding the PSU into place if it fit at all.
 
I personally would figure that the case might not work with the upgrade though and budget for that. As for memory performance really doesn't matter that much really or at least to a point since I feel memory is an area you can save some money on if you are putting it into a SSD or Intel Optane memory. As for the SSD question I would wonder what size the current HDD you have is and the age of it. Intel Optane memory isn't bad to pair with a HDD to give a nice speed increase to it without really being super expensive. On the other hand if you go SSD then you won't need Optane as it will not help much if at all.
 
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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/09/27 17:59:47 (permalink)
Coffee Lake stuff is launching Oct 5th, you should definitely wait for that since you can get a 6-core chip for that price. Two extra cores will definitely future-proof things for awhile. They won't work on Z270 motherboards, so if you do decide to go for Coffee Lake EVGA may not have a Z370 ready for launch. 


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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/09/29 01:57:01 (permalink)
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Coffee Lake stuff is launching Oct 5th, you should definitely wait for that since you can get a 6-core chip for that price. Two extra cores will definitely future-proof things for awhile. They won't work on Z270 motherboards, so if you do decide to go for Coffee Lake EVGA may not have a Z370 ready for launch. 




A couple of more months with this rig isn't gonna kill me, I guess. heh
 
Thanks for the heads up on the Coffee Lake release, Kougar!

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/09/29 20:52:45 (permalink)
case may work, if you have 7 pci slots you will have one slot space between the PSU and bottom of the board. as mentioned if you have the older v1 of that case it will not have usb 3 and the newer boards come with one usb header, you can get adapters though to use the usb plug on usb 3 headers.
the PSU should be upgraded, 8-10 yrs is about the max you will get as the caps will start going downhill and can cause problems. 850 is a good wattage but you will want two 8 pin cpu plugs, the evga G3 850 is a great PSU and not that much really.
if you can go with m.2 NVME as a boot drive, they are crazy fast, SSD for apps and stuff and Large HDD for storage. 
as for coffee lake, extra cores are nice and the 8700k is looking to be a good cpu, down side is not sure what the upgrade path will be once the 10nm cpu's come out, z270/7700k is the end of the line it seems for Kaby lake platform. given the typical price you should be able to do a z370, 8700k, g3 850 PSU and a decent M.2 (512GB samsung if you can catch it on sale, they are the best bang for the buck) for right around $1k if you catch them at the right time.
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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/10 06:46:50 (permalink)
Okay..
 
Since they have announced the 370 boards, and after having a look, the Z370 FTW Motherboard seems like a good fit for my Antec case and needs.
 
I7 8700k pricing seems to be around the $380'ish mark for the unlocked version
The Z370 FTW Mobo hasn't been priced yet(that I could find), but I would suspect a $349'ish price tag..??
DDR4-4133MHz memory seems to be around $200-250'ish for 16-gigs...we're still 288 pins, yes? XMP support?
 
Anyone know if the X370 chip will allow for more choices in the M.2 drive department?
 
With the M.2 drive addition and an SSD, it looks like I will be over my $1K budget for this build. Not really an issue, it'll just take me longer to get everything.

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/10 12:06:25 (permalink)
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Okay..
 
Since they have announced the 370 boards, and after having a look, the Z370 FTW Motherboard seems like a good fit for my Antec case and needs.
 
I7 8700k pricing seems to be around the $380'ish mark for the unlocked version
The Z370 FTW Mobo hasn't been priced yet(that I could find), but I would suspect a $349'ish price tag..??
DDR4-4133MHz memory seems to be around $200-250'ish for 16-gigs...we're still 288 pins, yes? XMP support?
 
Anyone know if the X370 chip will allow for more choices in the M.2 drive department?
 
With the M.2 drive addition and an SSD, it looks like I will be over my $1K budget for this build. Not really an issue, it'll just take me longer to get everything.


ftw board should fall in around $249 US, the classified usually are $299

                               
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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/10 12:19:33 (permalink)
I wouldn't keep the Antec 900. You can find far better PC cases out there that are better at keeping good airflow. The Antec 900 was good for its time. However if you are convinced you want to keep it then make some modifications to allow more airflow and cable management.

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/11 23:28:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Hoggle 2017/10/12 00:07:19
You might want to do more research cause that cpu only has 16 pci-e lanes, which means your going to be very limited on what features are available and accessible. Also, antec makes a replacement header for your case but you may have to call them to see if you can get it or try ebay. Just for reference:  http://store.antec.com/parts/nine-hundred-usb-30-module.html  Its def a good case with plenty of airflow, I own one of the v1's also, but its in desperate need of fan filters, lol. If you cant find the exact header for it and don't want to buy a new case then I would just get a usb 3.0 bay maybe like this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9385MP7807  and either mod it into where the current one is or install it to the cubby hole in the top of the case. Good luck to you either way though.

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/12 00:11:52 (permalink)
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You might want to do more research cause that cpu only has 16 pci-e lanes, which means your going to be very limited on what features are available and accessible. Also, antec makes a replacement header for your case but you may have to call them to see if you can get it or try ebay. Just for reference:  http://store.antec.com/parts/nine-hundred-usb-30-module.html  Its def a good case with plenty of airflow, I own one of the v1's also, but its in desperate need of fan filters, lol. If you cant find the exact header for it and don't want to buy a new case then I would just get a usb 3.0 bay maybe like this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9385MP7807  and either mod it into where the current one is or install it to the cubby hole in the top of the case. Good luck to you either way though.




Thanks for listing the 900 part he would need for the case. That was a big part of why I was thinking he might want to upgrade the case to support USB 3.0. I think we all agree a case might be something he should consider it's a lot to factor into a build compared to a header. The only problem is it's out of stock and might be something that is no longer available anywhere.
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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/14 03:14:12 (permalink)
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You might want to do more research cause that cpu only has 16 pci-e lanes, which means your going to be very limited on what features are available and accessible. Also, antec makes a replacement header for your case but you may have to call them to see if you can get it or try ebay. Just for reference:  http://store.antec.com/parts/nine-hundred-usb-30-module.html  Its def a good case with plenty of airflow, I own one of the v1's also, but its in desperate need of fan filters, lol. If you cant find the exact header for it and don't want to buy a new case then I would just get a usb 3.0 bay maybe like this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9385MP7807  and either mod it into where the current one is or install it to the cubby hole in the top of the case. Good luck to you either way though.




Thanks for listing the 900 part he would need for the case. That was a big part of why I was thinking he might want to upgrade the case to support USB 3.0. I think we all agree a case might be something he should consider it's a lot to factor into a build compared to a header. The only problem is it's out of stock and might be something that is no longer available anywhere.


Np. Antec are really awesome at helping you out with parts. I lost some of the window screw holder/caps when I modded/painted my Antec 900 and I wrote to them cause I couldn't find the parts on the store, im willing to pay whatever for them etc.... and they sent me out a free packet of replacement ones to do the whole window again for free, no problem. So im sure if the OP writes to them and tells them whats going on they probably will fix him up. Maybe not for free though. 

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/14 16:30:58 (permalink)
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You might want to do more research cause that cpu only has 16 pci-e lanes, which means your going to be very limited on what features are available and accessible. Also, antec makes a replacement header for your case but you may have to call them to see if you can get it or try ebay. Just for reference:  http://store.antec.com/parts/nine-hundred-usb-30-module.html  Its def a good case with plenty of airflow, I own one of the v1's also, but its in desperate need of fan filters, lol. If you cant find the exact header for it and don't want to buy a new case then I would just get a usb 3.0 bay maybe like this: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9385MP7807  and either mod it into where the current one is or install it to the cubby hole in the top of the case. Good luck to you either way though.




Thanks for listing the 900 part he would need for the case. That was a big part of why I was thinking he might want to upgrade the case to support USB 3.0. I think we all agree a case might be something he should consider it's a lot to factor into a build compared to a header. The only problem is it's out of stock and might be something that is no longer available anywhere.


Np. Antec are really awesome at helping you out with parts. I lost some of the window screw holder/caps when I modded/painted my Antec 900 and I wrote to them cause I couldn't find the parts on the store, im willing to pay whatever for them etc.... and they sent me out a free packet of replacement ones to do the whole window again for free, no problem. So im sure if the OP writes to them and tells them whats going on they probably will fix him up. Maybe not for free though. 


they probably sold out due to modders using it for custom setups, i bought one to graft into a nzxt case for my daughter lol, seen a few youtubers that used it also.

                               
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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/16 21:37:53 (permalink)
The USB 3.0 front panel connectors are not an issue for me as the mobo mounted ones are more than adequate. But thanks for the part numbers and such!
 
I get excellent airflow with the Antec case, so I'm a little surprised at the suggestions I should replace it. All the fans have been replaced(recently) with the exception of the large one in the top of the case. After all, I'm going on 10 years now and have never had a single heat related issue, even with mild OC'ing. The Zalman CPU cooler has been running almost non-stop for this entire timeframe without failure, so I'll definitely be changing that out during the build.
 
 
edited to add: Was there a forum reset at one time or another? I was very active on the forums back when I joined in 2008, but I'm showing as a new member with less than 20 posts now
post edited by mankxp - 2017/10/16 21:42:17

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Re: It's been a long, loveable ride...but... 2017/10/17 12:14:13 (permalink)
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The USB 3.0 front panel connectors are not an issue for me as the mobo mounted ones are more than adequate. But thanks for the part numbers and such!
 
I get excellent airflow with the Antec case, so I'm a little surprised at the suggestions I should replace it. All the fans have been replaced(recently) with the exception of the large one in the top of the case. After all, I'm going on 10 years now and have never had a single heat related issue, even with mild OC'ing. The Zalman CPU cooler has been running almost non-stop for this entire timeframe without failure, so I'll definitely be changing that out during the build.
 
 
edited to add: Was there a forum reset at one time or another? I was very active on the forums back when I joined in 2008, but I'm showing as a new member with less than 20 posts now


Yes, the forum has gone through 2 total revamps since them I believe. Everyone lost there stuff and we lost a lot of really good guides etc... also.

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