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Re: Issue with card?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 15:39:15
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I wish that more information was given about the difference between bios. When I looked for my card on techpowerup the bios was different. So I googled my bios version and found an unlisted page on their website for my particular bios. When comparing their page for my bios, and the bios they listed for my card, the only difference was that my bios was newer. All other stats listed were the same. The unlisted page for my bios also said it was unverified, which doesn't make sense.
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Re: Issue with card?
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No game/application is designed to crash at the slightest hint of an overclock. All applications will stress the gpu differently which could result in a crash. Just because you're stable in one application at certain clocks doesn't mean you'll be stable in another at the same clocks. With that being said you should be stable in all applications at stock clocks.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 18:21:48
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I don't like how much of a "get gud" vibe I keep getting in this forum. People always seem to prioritize user error or incompetence over hardware or software fault.
This forum is pretty high end and many people who randomly show up here don't know what they are doing. It's not rudeness. Heck, I didn't know what I was doing when I started hanging out here and still really don't, but I'm happy to offer advice about what I do know.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 18:23:30
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I don't think any game or app is designed to crash at any clock speed. But some apps are apparently designed for stability. That emphasis on stability, along with the variations of GPU stress, makes them pointless. We are no longer benchmarking the cards with these apps. We are benchmarking these apps with the cards. Given the right programing for stability and GPU stress, these programs are going to be showing THEIR quality rather than the quality of the card. The seemingly complete lack of standardization on benching, is defeating the supposed purpose of those benches.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 18:30:15
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I don't like how much of a "get gud" vibe I keep getting in this forum. People always seem to prioritize user error or incompetence over hardware or software fault.
This forum is pretty high end and many people who randomly show up here don't know what they are doing. It's not rudeness. Heck, I didn't know what I was doing when I started hanging out here and still really don't, but I'm happy to offer advice about what I do know.
Unfortunately I am not seeing this giving of advise as a prolific attitude here. I see a lot of blame put on the users before the problem is even figured out. I'd like to see more attention put on possible hardware or software issues that the user may not know about yet, rather than so much attention put on the user possibly not knowing the basics. I'm not even talking about the advanced stuff. Not even the intermediate stuff. It's kind of like calling tech support and having them ask you if the computer is plugged in.
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Re: Issue with card?
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My 2080 Ti FTW3 can't seem to hold any voltage above 1.050V. I get brief spikes but it always settles back to 1.050-1.044V. The card is watercooled running at 47-50C. This doesn't seem right...
Why would you desire your GPU to use a higher voltage than what it needs? Are you thinking higher voltage equals higher performance? It does not. What would be better, is if you told us what your boost clocks are and what offset if any you are using. At default settings, the GPU using GPU Boost, will typically use between 1.037 and 1.050 volts unless you manually change the settings to either force a higher voltage or undervolt.
If you force the card to use maximum voltage that is what you'd expect the card to do, mine is not. Voltage + power sliders to max and +115 offset = crash. The card cannot do 2100MHz stable. MSI OC Scanner gives me an average offset of +75 which is poor. This results in 2085 for a short moment before settling at 2055-2070Mhz. The card is watercooled at 47-50C. I can't possibly have a card this bad. My previous FTW3 ran 2100 at 60-64C air cooled.
The problem seems to be with the voltage. A +100 offset should result in 2100MHz at 1.080-94V (according to the voltage curve) but the card keeps falling back to 1.050V. 
I think you just have a crummy chip, a good TU102 a-chip should do over 2,100 mhz at 1050mv. As Sajin says there is a way to lock voltage, look it up. You can also try lowering the curve, then manually edit the high end so it ramps up sharply, say 2070/1050, 2085/1056, 2100/1063, 2115/1068 etc, that way when it goes to a higher clock it also has to have more voltage. Also triple check any power connections, I was getting crashes on my hybrid setup when trying to run dual fans at full speed with a dodgy mini-gpu to fan cable off the card harness, moving them to a MB header cleared it up.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 18:42:59
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I don't like how much of a "get gud" vibe I keep getting in this forum. People always seem to prioritize user error or incompetence over hardware or software fault.
This forum is pretty high end and many people who randomly show up here don't know what they are doing. It's not rudeness. Heck, I didn't know what I was doing when I started hanging out here and still really don't, but I'm happy to offer advice about what I do know.
Unfortunately I am not seeing this giving of advise as a prolific attitude here. I see a lot of blame put on the users before the problem is even figured out. I'd like to see more attention put on possible hardware or software issues that the user may not know about yet, rather than so much attention put on the user possibly not knowing the basics. I'm not even talking about the advanced stuff. Not even the intermediate stuff. It's kind of like calling tech support and having them ask you if the computer is plugged in.
I hear you man, but check out this thread, make sure you get to page 2: https://forums.evga.com/L...y-system-m3012614.aspx I felt, really, really bad about the whole situation, but seriously. The guy was really nice about it though and it finally turned out ok. Can't assume anything, hence the grillings people get. PC's are hard and many people get in over their head. It's also extremely hard to troubleshoot a system without having interaction with it directly, hence the emphasis on the basics that any experienced troubleshooter would be checking in person.
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Re: Issue with card?
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Re: Issue with card?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 19:07:40
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Here's the thing though... If we're getting volt blocked at 1.050ish, would it even be worth all that trouble to force a constant max of 1.093? If I can run a stable 2050-2080, is this even going to provide any noticable difference if it gets me to 2100+? I don't think it's worth it to be honest. It doesn't even sound safe for prolonged use.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 19:55:40
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I think everyone with the 2080 Ti hopes they can at least get 2100Mhz stable as less than that kind of sucks and indicates a crappy chip or some other issue. I'm hoping maybe flashing an older BIOS will unlock some performance...
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 20:29:50
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XOC and LN2 will work on your card .
Bit of messing around with the fans but they will work and will increase power ( I had no problems using them with my FTW3).
Did you run GPU-Z while gaming or benching and check max power under "sensors" ?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 20:36:49
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If you think about it, the only reason for undervolting to be a thing is if there is an issue with voltage management. Otherwise it would always be advisable to just let the card have as much as you have to give, and it would only ever take just what it needs to maintain the speeds that you want, and not take more than it needs leading to instability or else high temps. But we know this isn't the case. We know that some times it helps to limit the card of how much it can take, even below what would normally be okay for it to take for those given speeds. And this gives us better stability and temps while keeping the speed.
I imagine it like a hungry dog with an eating disorder. Fill their bowl completely and let them eat how they think they should eat in order to finish that bowl and they will eat too fast and get sick. However if you fill a different bowl with the same amount, but that bowl only lets them eat so much at a time, then even if they cannot eat too quickly while finishing the bowl off.
Yep. I think my card has an eating disorder. Possible that all newer gens have this same disorder at different degrees, and this whole issue of boosting adjustments was never really about the temps at all, and was more of a bandaid to cover up this design flaw.
Your post is like reading a time warp for every person ever who does not understand how GPU Boost 3.0 works. Pascal and Turing are primarily about temps. The lower your temps the better your performance. Did you know your first temp bin is below 40C? Seems absurd, but yet there it is. If you think about it, the only reason for undervolting CPU, or tuning your carburetor is because there's an issue with it, right? YEP! You called it. It's a massed produced product that guard bands the voltages to reduce the RMA's.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 21:24:15
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I don't think any game or app is designed to crash at any clock speed. But some apps are apparently designed for stability. That emphasis on stability, along with the variations of GPU stress, makes them pointless. We are no longer benchmarking the cards with these apps. We are benchmarking these apps with the cards. Given the right programing for stability and GPU stress, these programs are going to be showing THEIR quality rather than the quality of the card. The seemingly complete lack of standardization on benching, is defeating the supposed purpose of those benches.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 22:13:41
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XOC and LN2 will work on your card .
Bit of messing around with the fans but they will work and will increase power ( I had no problems using them with my FTW3).
Did you run GPU-Z while gaming or benching and check max power under "sensors" ?
I have a waterblock so no fans... Yes I ran several Firestrike runs today. My card is reaching the 124%/380W power limit it's just the clocks suck. Anything over +100 offset will crash. I can loop Firestrike with +100 but only get 2055-2085Mhz. I actually have to be under 40C to see 2100Mhz.  My last FTW3 could hold 2100 at 60-64C. My card is being severely temp limited. I don't know if there's anyway around that? Another BIOS? Does the GPU Boost temp limit on this card seem unusually extreme?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 22:33:37
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40 is still too hot. My one dives from 2295 to 2280 when it gets above 30 and I mean 1 degree above . I'd say you are out of luck if it takes full power.
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Re: Issue with card?
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Try an XOC bios Pretty sure I got over 500watt with the XOC.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 22:58:07
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40 is still too hot.
My one dives from 2295 to 2280 when it gets above 30 and I mean 1 degree above .
I'd say you are out of luck if it takes full power.
I'm not sure it's a power issue, more an extreme temperature restriction... This card was brought in Dec 2019 and I'm wondering if the BIOS on it is more restrictive than older ones? How can I confirm the date of my BIOS? Where can I find official BIOS files for this card?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/21 23:02:51
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Use precision x to get bios you are using. Don't think there is anything wrong with your bios , it pulls full power. Have you registered card with EVGA? If so , get hold of customer support . They are cool to deal with and it's very easy to get help from them .
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 00:26:18
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Use precision x to get bios you are using.
Don't think there is anything wrong with your bios , it pulls full power.
Have you registered card with EVGA?
If so , get hold of customer support .
They are cool to deal with and it's very easy to get help from them .
Unless there was something wrong with the card I would probably be out of luck there. On the other hand this card seems extremely temp limited which seems unusual. Anything to do with overclocking and customer support....
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 00:38:56
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Don't think there is anything wrong with the card.
Silicon lottery I'm afraid.
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2020/02/22 00:51:59
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Yes.
I had more luck with XOC bios
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 00:52:51
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Yes.
I had more luck with XOC bios
Can you point me to that one?
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Re: Issue with card?
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I can't give you link but I can give you site
Just Google kingpin Xdevs....you'll find it .
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I can't give you link but I can give you site
Just Google kingpin Xdevs....you'll find it .
Are you sure that's not for the Kingpin only?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 01:23:21
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It is a kingpin bios .
I used it on my FTW3 a couple of months ago.
Up to .
I have a KPE now but that was my last card the FTW3.
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 02:35:44
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It is a kingpin bios .
I used it on my FTW3 a couple of months ago.
Up to .
I have a KPE now but that was my last card the FTW3.
What did it do for the FTW3?
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Re: Issue with card?
2020/02/22 02:50:21
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How do you get the BIOS from PX1? Can't see it anywhere.
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