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2016/10/29 11:25:23 (permalink)
Hello I have an EVGA 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0. Does the same problem of overheating VRMs effecting the FTW versions apply to the 1070 SC?
Or Is this problem ONLY specific to the FTW cards, or could it be an issue on my 1070 SC.
Should I get these thermal pads being offered? 
There seems to be so much contrasting info out there.
Thanks
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 11:49:32 (permalink)
    My guess not, it is offered for the SC just for better temps but it is more related to the FTW design more because the VRAM is very close to the hot spot but the SC is using the reference design, still missing the thermal pad but the overall temp in the VRAM area is going to be lower in the SC. Can EVGA confirm that?
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 12:34:46 (permalink)
    Response I got from a ticket:
     
    The hotspot issue is a misconception based on a review where the reviewer in question was running Furmark, an extreme usage case, as most overclockers know. We believe this is a good approach to have some idea about the graphics card limit, and the thermal performance under the worst case scenario. EVGA has performed a similar qualification test during the design process, at a higher ambient temperature (30C in chamber) with a thermal coupler probe directly contacting the key components and after the Toms Hardware (Germany) review, we have retested this again. The results in both tests show the temperature of PWM and memory is within the spec tolerance under the same stress test, and is working as originally designed with no issues.

    As for your card, it is not affected, as the "issue" has only been found to affect the FTW models, which are a non-reference PCB. Your card, the SC, and other reference PCB models do not exhibit this "hotspot". However, if you wish to obtain the thermal pads for your card, you may do so, as long as your product is ACX 3.0 and has a backplate. To request these, please go to http://www.evga.com/thermalmod

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 12:42:55 (permalink)
    GLoR1ous Thank you!
    It makes sense that the SC version would not have problem, as it is a reference PCB as opposed to the FTW.
    I have never taken a video card apart before, and I really do not want to to install these pads.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 13:13:13 (permalink)
    GloR1ouS_ is correct. I can assure you that there is no overheating/VRM issue. The tests that were performed are not considered to reflect a real world usage environment. We performed similar tests at a higher temperature using more accurate equipment and found much different results.
     
    Even if you owned an FTW the thermal pad modification is not necessary but just an added bonus we are offering because we would like our customers to be as happy with our products and services as possible. If you would like to install the thermal pads you can feel free to request them HERE.
     
    Here is the result of our tests: 

     
    As you can see the temperatures are well within spec.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 13:29:49 (permalink)
    Is the 1080 classified affected by this
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 13:42:06 (permalink)
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    Is the 1080 classified affected by this

    Fortunately none of the cards are effected by an overheating/VRM issue. The review that was done was not an accurate way to test and we are working with Tom's Hardware to retest this.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 13:44:47 (permalink)
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    Is the 1080 classified affected by this

    Fortunately none of the cards are effected by an overheating/VRM issue. The review that was done was not an accurate way to test and we are working with Tom's Hardware to retest this.




    But what about these reports showing this cards catching fire if there is no overheating?
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 13:50:41 (permalink)
    Individual reports ofor damage have to be taken with a grain of salt. Bad or faulty components can cause these problems and are in essence unavoidable. If there were a real problem we'd see many more reports. There's always a small failure rate of any component, so some things aren't related to this issue.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 14:22:03 (permalink)
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    Is the 1080 classified affected by this

    Fortunately none of the cards are effected by an overheating/VRM issue. The review that was done was not an accurate way to test and we are working with Tom's Hardware to retest this.




    But what about these reports showing this cards catching fire if there is no overheating?


    A quick Google search will yield results of many 1070/1080 cards of all brands catching fire. Also 980 Ti's, 970's even 9800's and 6600's. Unfortunately there are going to be a certain number of failures in any series across all brands.
     
    There are a couple factors that contribute to this snowball that has turned into an avalanche. EVGA has a very active forum and community, a large portion of Nvidia graphics cards come from EVGA and we produce some of the highest quality enthusiast grade products. Also, the black screen issue effecting 3% of the 1080 FTW's contributed to the rumors when this review was released. I can confirm that the black screens have no relation to VRM temperatures and has since been fixed. Neither do the occasional melted or burnt component. This is just a quagmire of the manufacturing process when producing many tens of thousands of cards.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 14:42:46 (permalink)
    Goodness gracious - WCCFtech has an entire article that is more or less full of apparent mis-information on this. You all should set them straight...
     
    Nvidia GTX 1080 & 1070 EVGA Cards Reportedly Catching Fire & Dying Due To VRMs Overheating
    (e.g. "The issue affects EVGA’s entire range of Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 cards equipped with the ACX cooler, all of which lack direct VRM cooling. This includes GTX 1080 & 1070 ACX, SC, FTW & FTW DT models. Essentially all dual fan models except the Classified.")
     


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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 14:49:37 (permalink)
    EVGAtech> so 1070 SC owners dont have to be worried about this overheating issue ?

    And can you show me that 1070/1080 from other brands had this issue too ? I make a quick search, I only find "evga, evga and evga, always evga..."

    Also, I dont know what to think between the article of WCCFtech and what you are saying, you and glorious...
     
    Is this really a "FTW owners" issue only ?
     
     
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 14:57:04 (permalink)
    That is the most bombastic article I've seen yet. All hearsay and speculation and I've not seen these hundreds of users complaining on this forum at all. And I'm sure wed have have seen it here first if that were the case.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 15:04:14 (permalink)
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    EVGAtech> so 1070 SC owners dont have to be worried about this overheating issue ?

    And can you show me that 1070/1080 from other brands had this issue too ? I make a quick search, I only find "evga, evga and evga, always evga..."

    Also, I dont know what to think between the article of WCCFtech and what you are saying, you and glorious...
     
    Is this really a "FTW owners" issue only ?
     


    I cannot link directly to any specific pages and I do think all of our neighbor companies have excellent products as well. What you can try is search terms such as "caught fire" or "melted" along with specific brand names and you will see we are not the only company that experiences this. Also, as I mentioned, the EVGA forums and community are far more active and we have a large share of the 10 series cards in the wild. It is inevitable that the top search entries will yield results for EVGA.
     
    I have worked with many thousands of cards over the years and I can assure you that this is not a problem that is unique to the 10 series or EVGA. To my recollection I have not had to issue a single RMA for a 10 series card that has caught fire.

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 15:19:54 (permalink)
    EVGATech_JosephL
     
    I cannot link directly to any specific pages and I do think all of our neighbor companies have excellent products as well. What you can try is search terms such as "caught fire" or "melted" along with specific brand names and you will see we are not the only company that experiences this. Also, as I mentioned, the EVGA forums and community are far more active and we have a large share of the 10 series cards in the wild. It is inevitable that the top search entries will yield results for EVGA.
     
    I have worked with many thousands of cards over the years and I can assure you that this is not a problem that is unique to the 10 series or EVGA. To my recollection I have not had to issue a single RMA for a 10 series card that has caught fire.



    Thank you EVGATech_JosephL You have put my mind at ease
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 15:44:44 (permalink)
    Not sure if it has been asked or not, but would installing the optional pads void any warranties or invalidate a card that is in queue for the step up program?

    I've put in a request since it was offered, but I'm still debating if I should continue with the installation.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 16:15:53 (permalink)
     
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    Hello I have an EVGA 1070 SC GAMING ACX 3.0. Does the same problem of overheating VRMs effecting the FTW versions apply to the 1070 SC?
    Or Is this problem ONLY specific to the FTW cards, or could it be an issue on my 1070 SC.
    Should I get these thermal pads being offered? 
    There seems to be so much contrasting info out there.
    Thanks

    Guru3D tested 1070's with the VRM's using 3DMark Firestrike, using thermal imaging equipment.  The EVGA 1070 SC Gaming hit 96℃ where the VRM's are located, that's between 27℃ to 39℃ hotter than three of it's competitor brand cards.
     
     
    See below for results.
    VRM = 64℃ - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 G1 GAMING >> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_1070_g1_gaming_review,10.html
     
    VRM = 57℃ - ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 STRIX Gaming >> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_1070_strix_gaming_review,10.html
     
    VRM = 69℃ - MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Gaming Z >> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1070_gaming_z_review,9.html
     
    VRM = 96℃ -  EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming >> http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_1070_sc_superclocked_gaming_review,10.html
     
     
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 16:26:07 (permalink)
    So all the 1070/1080 evga...
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 16:28:21 (permalink)
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    Goodness gracious - WCCFtech has an entire article that is more or less full of apparent mis-information on this. You all should set them straight...
     
    Nvidia GTX 1080 & 1070 EVGA Cards Reportedly Catching Fire & Dying Due To VRMs Overheating
    (e.g. "The issue affects EVGA’s entire range of Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 cards equipped with the ACX cooler, all of which lack direct VRM cooling. This includes GTX 1080 & 1070 ACX, SC, FTW & FTW DT models. Essentially all dual fan models except the Classified.")
     


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    WCCF is the Enquirer of the tech world...or Breitbart if you're politically inclined.



    hah, yeah. i should have put some quotation marks around "article".


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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 18:09:07 (permalink)
    So the 1070 SC models are unaffected, yet EVGA is still offering thermal pads to those owners. I have a 1070 SC and would like the thermal pads, but the thermalmod page says I don't own a qualifying product. What do I do to get the pads?
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 18:20:24 (permalink)
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    GloR1ouS_ is correct. I can assure you that there is no overheating/VRM issue. The tests that were performed are not considered to reflect a real world usage environment. We performed similar tests at a higher temperature using more accurate equipment and found much different results.
     
    Even if you owned an FTW the thermal pad modification is not necessary but just an added bonus we are offering because we would like our customers to be as happy with our products and services as possible. If you would like to install the thermal pads you can feel free to request them HERE.
     
    Here is the result of our tests: 

     
    As you can see the temperatures are well within spec.



    I would feel much more confident if you took that thermal image without the black plate installed.


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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 18:30:15 (permalink)
    I submitted my request for the pads, as an owner of an SC model. Better thermals will not hurt. Especially as my home gets toasty during the summer.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 18:58:38 (permalink)
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    Here is the result of our tests: 

    As you can see the temperatures are well within spec.

    I would feel much more confident if you took that thermal image without the black plate installed.



    I thought that the Back Plate was part of the Cooling System?
     

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:01:13 (permalink)
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    So the 1070 SC models are unaffected, yet EVGA is still offering thermal pads to those owners. I have a 1070 SC and would like the thermal pads, but the thermalmod page says I don't own a qualifying product. What do I do to get the pads?

    Welcome to the Forum tviceman
    Only the FTW Pascal Models With Back Plates are part of the "Optional EVGA Thermal Pad Mod Request" that is in place.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:03:00 (permalink)

    I thought that the Back Plate was part of the Cooling System?
     


    As far as i know the plate has 2 functions: stability for heavy cards and a heatsink, provided you have proper surface connection. Which is why evga offers the pads to cards with a backplate.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:06:37 (permalink)
    FIXXX

    I thought that the Back Plate was part of the Cooling System?
     


    As far as i know the plate has 2 functions: stability for heavy cards and a heatsink, provided you have proper surface connection. Which is why evga offers the pads to cards with a backplate.


    So are you saying "Yes it is part of the Cooling System" or "No it is Not Part of the Cooling System?

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:11:15 (permalink)

    So are you saying "Yes it is part of the Cooling System" or "No it is Not Part of the Cooling System?


    For example the black edition of SC 1070 doesn't have a backplate. And in general is a bit cheaper than the regular SC. If not on sale or smthng. So i doubt it's a direct part of the cooling system for the card.
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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:44:16 (permalink)
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    So are you saying "Yes it is part of the Cooling System" or "No it is Not Part of the Cooling System?


    For example the black edition of SC 1070 doesn't have a backplate. And in general is a bit cheaper than the regular SC. If not on sale or smthng. So i doubt it's a direct part of the cooling system for the card.

     
    So you are Saying NO, thank you
     
    Also we are not talking about cards that do not have back plates!
     

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    Re: Is the EVGA 1070 SC effected by the VRM overheating issue? 2016/10/29 19:47:06 (permalink)
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    I thought that the Back Plate was part of the Cooling System?

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