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Is my Z68 FTW dying?

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2020/06/01 06:08:24 (permalink)
Hello everyone,
I have had this pc in my signature in service since ~2012 and it has worked great, while running overclocked it’s whole life. But recently I have started to have USB issues. 
 
I started to notice it upon arrival of my Valve Index, after using it for a few days I noticed my usb keyboard on the top left 2.0 usb port would randomly turn on its lights when the pc was off.
 
I then started having the keyboard (corsair K70) drop and re-connect on the win10 login screen, I thought it may be the keyboard so I tested with a different keyboard (same issue) and then verified that the original keyboard worked fine by using it for a few hours on my laptop.
 
So once the drops started getting longer, and finally just dropping keyboard all together on the login screen. I then switched to a different 2.0 port, only to realize that the other 2.0 ports aren’t working for the keyboard.
It also dropped and reconnected keyboard in BIOS while it was plugged into the top left 2.0 port 

So here the weirdness starts, the mouse (razer naga) works fine, and in any 2.0 or 3.0 port. The keyboard works fine, but only in a 3.0 port (so far).
I have not changed any settings or installed any other software other than the VR drivers/HL Alyx and windows updates as this machine is only used for gaming not even browsing.
 
So for now I have resigned to having the keyboard and vr occupying my 3.0 ports, while my mouse is only thing on 2.0. No other HDD or devices on USB at all.
I have checked to make sure all drivers/firmware etc are up to date on everything.
 
I know these boards had USB issues anyway back in the day when 3.0 was new but I only had a few times of a USB not working with a device, overall it has been great.
 
This board is technically still under the EVGA 10 year warranty, but I’m not sure it would help or matter much since it is so old.
I am wondering if it’s worth doing a complete reinstall of windows but I am thinking it is hardware based as it exhibits the issue in BIOS as well.
 
Any other tips or input will be greatly appreciated. I may need justification to pull trigger on a new build!
 
Thank you! 
 
post edited by Robob - 2020/06/01 09:03:19

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 06:40:06 (permalink)
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 08:14:56 (permalink)
    No problem, thank you!

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 09:12:29 (permalink)
    removed both posts from filter ..... after your edit your OP got snagged again

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 09:15:45 (permalink)
    Man I keep breaking stuff left and right, filter does not like me haha. Why is it requiring approval for every post here?
    Ty again!

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 09:20:28 (permalink)
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    Man I keep breaking stuff left and right, filter does not like me haha. Why is it requiring approval for every post here?
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 09:25:14 (permalink)
    Ok, just read your OP
     
    What other items are installed into a USB ports besides Mouse & KB ?
     
    Maybe it is the KB or its cord or plug is damaged ? 
     
    Unplug All Case USB ports as a test ... one could have an issue ... Not sure if you use them
     
      I'd get a cheap KB or spare & test the USB posts again
     
    testing the KB on a known good PC ... though if the KB is the root cause (has some sort of short) there is some Risk to the other PC
     
    Driver or chipset needs to be reloaded ? 
     
    Windows update issue ?
     
    What OS are you using ?
     
    Capture your BIOS settings ( I like the camera in my phone), load default settings & reboot --> then edit your BIOS to your settings
     
    How Old is the CMOS battery ?
     
     
     

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 09:52:43 (permalink)
    -Nothing else on USB
    -Tried 3 Keyboards, 2 RGB 1 non RGB. Both randomly drop out even in bios yet work on my other PCs
    -I have all case headers unplugged, disabled front USB headers in BIOS still no go
    -Tried reloading chipset/usb drivers
    -Current win 10 all updates
     
    Only thing I did not think of is CMOS battery, it is still the original from 2012 haha.
    It would be the best if that made the USB stop working and solved the issue by replacing it. 
    I will test when home from work and update here.
    Thank you!

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 10:00:33 (permalink)
    In the Windows Power Options -> Advanced power settings -> USB settings you could try disabling "USB selective suspend" and hope it matters, otherwise, it sounds like the USB controller on the mobo is probably failing or that one of your USB devices is causing the problem..You could also try reseating the CPU.

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 10:04:53 (permalink)
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    In the Windows Power Options -> Advanced power settings -> USB settings you could try disabling "USB selective suspend" and hope it matters, otherwise, it sounds like the USB controller on the mobo is probably failing or that one of your USB devices is causing the problem..You could also try reseating the CPU.


     

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 10:16:34 (permalink)
    I did make sure the selective suspend in windows was disabled too or any power management for USB controllers in general that I could find I disabled it.
     
    And I have a feeling since she's so old, and the controller was iffy at best even when new, that it may be on the way out. 
    I have def got my moneys worth, at least let me 100% HL:Alyx and mess around in VR which is pretty good for a machine of this age.
     
    I am going to try a new CMOS battery and then if that does not fix it, I will call EVGA support and see what the deal is if you warranty a board this old. Do they give you a % of the value I assume?
     
    It may be time to for a new EVGA build on Z490!
     
    Thanks everyone for the input.

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/01 10:18:04 (permalink)
    Sounds like only certain ports are starting to malfunction, but the entire board isn't dying just yet. RMA'ing the board may get you an even worse board back in return since the board is so old, but on the other hand evga may send you a brand new replacement board with a newer chipset as a replacement.
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/02 01:49:22 (permalink)
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    It may be time to for a new EVGA build on Z490!

     


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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/14 08:13:24 (permalink)
    So to post an update on this old beast, which is now dubbed terminator t-800 (it cannot self terminate)
     
    I pulled every component off the motherboard, cleaned, re-seated connectors and still same issue.
    Changed the BIOS battery, reset to defaults. tried with and without o/c, same issue.
    Reinstall of win10 - same issue.
     
    At this point I was just trying to get it to be usable for light gaming, not even VR. I went around and collected more keyboards from work and around the house. I figured maybe of the 3 I tried (corsair k70, random wireless junk, and old logi keyboard with screen) they could have still issues internally.
     
    So I try all the keyboards I could find, 5-6 in total. Of the 3 old and 3-4 new I tried I kept seeing that if it had any kind of RGB or screen in the keyboard that the issue happened more quickly and it dropped more frequently. 
     
    Now I start to think maybe the power delivery side of the controller is getting weak and it cannot drive anything with lights/screens/extra BS on keyboard. I dug out an old wireless logitech keyboard that I found comfortable enough to use for gaming etc and since it only has to power the mini receiver I figured it would be my best bet.
     
    So after 4 days now of VR/gaming with OC back @ 4.5ghz and regular gaming, the keyboard and mouse have been working fine. Boot up is longer since I have left all my other fast boot etc disabled from my previous tweaking but if it is working for now I am not going to touch it. 
     
    I still realize that the controller is possessed, dying, or just whacked out but I wanted to get it working again while I save the $$ for a new 10th gen build. I feel compelled to see what the new chips can bring for performance while still being amazed at what this old gen hardware can push out on current VR/Gaming titles.
     
    Thanks to everyone for the help,!
     
    post edited by Robob - 2020/06/14 09:11:49

    CPU - Intel i7 10700K @ 5Ghz / 1.29v
    Heatsink - EVGA 280mm CLC
    Motherboard - EVGA Z490 FTW (V1.10)
    RAM - 32Gb Corsair LPX DDR4 3200Mhz
    GFX - EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra (10Ghz Mem/2100Mhz Core)
    SSD - Samsung 970 Pro 512GB M.2
    PSU - EVGA G3 750w
    Case - Corsair Carbide 678C
    Monitor - LG 27GN950B 4k@144Hz
    OS - Win 10 Pro x64
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/14 09:50:30 (permalink)
    Thank you for the update ...
     
    yes the USB controller or a solder joint could be on the way out --> more current = more heat - you mention some "fancy KB" failing sooner
     
    test the PSU ?
     
    Buy a add in USB card - to make this last as you plan & collect parts for your new Z490 build
     
     
     

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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/06/15 07:34:58 (permalink)
    Yes it seems that any KB that has RGB, screen or Any higher amp draw makes the controller drop out.

    I forgot to add I did test with another PSU and no difference in time til drop.

    Fingers crossed she keeps chugging along until I have everything sorted money wise for the new build.

    Thanks again everyone for the help and advice.

    CPU - Intel i7 10700K @ 5Ghz / 1.29v
    Heatsink - EVGA 280mm CLC
    Motherboard - EVGA Z490 FTW (V1.10)
    RAM - 32Gb Corsair LPX DDR4 3200Mhz
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    Case - Corsair Carbide 678C
    Monitor - LG 27GN950B 4k@144Hz
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/07/19 10:19:17 (permalink)
    So to update on this board it has turned out that a MS Update is causing an issue with the HMD drivers even on a fresh install of win10.
     
    The specific issue I traced it down in the event log is:
    "ETW USB tracing" failed to start with the following error: 0xC0000022”
     
    others with oculus VR and others with Valve Index have had similar issues with USB dropping and BSODs seen here:(https://forums.oculusvr.com/community/discussion/52859/ocrservicelauncher-is-causing-all-my-usb-devices-to-disconnect/p1)
     
    I have been going through Regedit and Component Manager fixing the permission issues as They pop up. I have seen others with DCom permission issues doing this too but I have been unable to find a 100% fix that isn’t randomly undone.

    An update must have changed how something got handled with the cursor/keyboard binding to a monitor. On startup the HMD must look like an option until it times out with no active session.
     
    I fixed the permission issues in the log but I still get this error on startup randomly, so maybe a security update changes permissions (not sure).


    So for now I have taken to just unplugging the HMD when done until MS/SteamVR devs figure out what is going on.


    Thanks again to all for the help!
     
    I figured I would put this up here for info in case others run into this issue. Others seem to think it is 1080ti related but I am not certain.

    CPU - Intel i7 10700K @ 5Ghz / 1.29v
    Heatsink - EVGA 280mm CLC
    Motherboard - EVGA Z490 FTW (V1.10)
    RAM - 32Gb Corsair LPX DDR4 3200Mhz
    GFX - EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra (10Ghz Mem/2100Mhz Core)
    SSD - Samsung 970 Pro 512GB M.2
    PSU - EVGA G3 750w
    Case - Corsair Carbide 678C
    Monitor - LG 27GN950B 4k@144Hz
    OS - Win 10 Pro x64
    HID - Corsair K70 / EVGA X17
    HMD - Valve Index & Controllers
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    Re: Is my Z68 FTW dying? 2020/07/19 14:07:15 (permalink)

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