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https://vrworld.com/2017/04/18/intel-cancels-developer-forum/ Most of the time I can figure out what Intel is doing but this decision really has me second guessing Intel. Events such as these help focus on Intel's bigger picture. I understand Intel has massive tools at their disposal for engineers and developers. Still, this leaves me shaking my head wondering how the tech world can follow what Intel is doing or going to do in the future.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/18 10:08:08
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https://vrworld.com/2017/04/18/intel-cancels-developer-forum/
Most of the time I can figure out what Intel is doing but this decision really has me second guessing Intel. Events such as these help focus on Intel's bigger picture. I understand Intel has massive tools at their disposal for engineers and developers. Still, this leaves me shaking my head wondering how the tech world can follow what Intel is doing or going to do in the future.
I think they are still cleaning there drawers out after the Ryzen launch and the optimizations that have come along, lol. :P They are probably trying to figure out how they can manipulate the market back into there field again, which will be rough since everyones hip to there tricks, like the oem payout scams, etc...
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/18 10:17:04
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I would feel like when MS Cancelled the TechNet Program the DVD/CD side of this program. *Software Keys It was less than $300 a year and when they stopped you had to move over to the MSDN side and that as high as 5 Grand for 3 Years I had a TechNet Subscriptions for over 12 years till it ended. MSDN for another 4 years.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/18 22:20:53
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They are planning on having more of these types of events in a year to focus on the specific details of an area of their technologies. Especially since they are expanding their development of various technologies rather than one event that generalizes their progress in a rushed fashion.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/19 12:05:07
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Most of the time I can figure out what Intel is doing but this decision really has me second guessing Intel. Events such as these help focus on Intel's bigger picture. I understand Intel has massive tools at their disposal for engineers and developers. Still, this leaves me shaking my head wondering how the tech world can follow what Intel is doing or going to do in the future.
I think it is as simple as low attendance. Everything a business does is about gaining a return on investment, if your own showcase of your products has had dwindling attendance over the years, then some point it won't be worth further investment to continue. It wouldn't be an indication of something wrong at Intel alone rather one should ask attendees why some stopped showing up. I figure it might have to do with all the refreshes. If people attended the Skylake presentation, they wouldn't have to attend Kaby Lake on because they are all just refreshes of the same architecture. Developers aren't stupid, they know.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/19 22:39:54
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I don't really see Intel in trouble. From what we've seen in the reviews, Ryzen 7 CPUs make zero sense for 90 percent of the gaming market, as most users would not benefit one bit from so many cores and would be better off purchasing a 7700K, which can OC over 25 percent faster than Ryzen's top offering and has a higher IPC. The lower-end Ryzen CPUs compete with i5's in gaming and, once again, most users would not benefit from 6 cores.
Youtubers are inflating Ryzen's usefulness because they ARE content creators and are honestly some of the few who will benefit from more cores. For those of us who are professionals with some money to spare, we'll go with the best. That's not Ryzen.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/19 23:15:26
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Intel is not even 20% in trouble what will happen if they next premium socket designed for 3 years period fail to beat AMD.
Beating AMD for 20% for 1000$ mean nothing to 90% of market. Not 90%, 99% of market pay processors below 500$.
499$ is magic number, 501$ look completely different. And no one will pay single dollar over 500$ for weaker processor than 1800X.
That's problem for Intel, because they need to launch faster CPU than i7-6900K below 500$.
And AMD always could answer with binned chips and special model 1900X example.
Now Intel could be happy with results, no premium motherboards, memory compatibility and results are not so great, market is still in shock and still can't believe that AMD have great product, they expect someone to show up and destroy whole image of Ryzen, a lot of people wait X299...
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/20 08:26:48
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80% of intel is none PC now - ie IoTS and other none PC research/development
developer forum was PC hardware basically
like I said Intel has lost it way - devoted to much away from PC and it shows
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/20 10:46:59
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For those of us who are professionals with some money to spare, we'll go with the best. That's not Ryzen.
Optimizations of BIOS and software show Ryzen performance increasing to comparable levels of their respective Intel counterparts. With the significant price undercut AMD offers Ryzen is quite alluring. Gaming is a niche ( a large one, mind you). 90% of gamers may equal 25% of the CPU market. And of these, only 1080p users will suffer with a Ryzen chip but that is beginning to change. It still seems most consumers want balance between gaming and other applications. It may not be the best but when I can get 90% performance for 50% of the price guess which, as a logical and reasonable human being, I will take. Ryzen is relevant.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/20 18:15:17
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I don't really see Intel in trouble. From what we've seen in the reviews, Ryzen 7 CPUs make zero sense for 90 percent of the gaming market, as most users would not benefit one bit from so many cores and would be better off purchasing a 7700K, which can OC over 25 percent faster than Ryzen's top offering and has a higher IPC. The lower-end Ryzen CPUs compete with i5's in gaming and, once again, most users would not benefit from 6 cores.
Youtubers are inflating Ryzen's usefulness because they ARE content creators and are honestly some of the few who will benefit from more cores. For those of us who are professionals with some money to spare, we'll go with the best. That's not Ryzen.
i7 7700k is $350 Ryzen 1600x is 250 Ryzen 1600 is 220 Good benches: https://youtu.be/mbK0n5FjvhIThe 1600 and 1600x game close to the 7700 and can also do real work that the 7700 simply can't. The Ryzen 1700 is $330. So at 20 bucks less you get gaming performance that is equal to or close to the 7700k and it can do the heavy lifting of a $900-1200 intel chip. What intel needs to do is admit defeat this round and drop the price of the 7700k to $250-275. Its an awesome chip, one of the best but team Red has a chip that is nipping at its heals and killing it in workstation/multi purpose computers. ------------ Un-related If I were intel and I had been collecting all the money for 10 years while AMD was crashing I would want to put AMD back into a spiral. I would sell my $1,000 chips at 500 bucks and take a loss and sell my gaming chips like the 7700k for 200 bucks or less. Yes they would loss money but it would hurt AMD and give them the market back. AMD hasnt made money in a decade, intel could afford a bad year to crush AMD.
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Re: Intel in Trouble? Cancels Intel Developer Forum After 20 Years
2017/04/21 05:12:37
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gridironcpj
I don't really see Intel in trouble. From what we've seen in the reviews, Ryzen 7 CPUs make zero sense for 90 percent of the gaming market, as most users would not benefit one bit from so many cores and would be better off purchasing a 7700K, which can OC over 25 percent faster than Ryzen's top offering and has a higher IPC. The lower-end Ryzen CPUs compete with i5's in gaming and, once again, most users would not benefit from 6 cores.
Youtubers are inflating Ryzen's usefulness because they ARE content creators and are honestly some of the few who will benefit from more cores. For those of us who are professionals with some money to spare, we'll go with the best. That's not Ryzen.
i7 7700k is $350
Ryzen 1600x is 250
Ryzen 1600 is 220
Good benches: https://youtu.be/mbK0n5FjvhI
The 1600 and 1600x game close to the 7700 and can also do real work that the 7700 simply can't.
The Ryzen 1700 is $330.
So at 20 bucks less you get gaming performance that is equal to or close to the 7700k and it can do the heavy lifting of a $900-1200 intel chip.
What intel needs to do is admit defeat this round and drop the price of the 7700k to $250-275.
Its an awesome chip, one of the best but team Red has a chip that is nipping at its heals and killing it in workstation/multi purpose computers.
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If I were intel and I had been collecting all the money for 10 years while AMD was crashing I would want to put AMD back into a spiral. I would sell my $1,000 chips at 500 bucks and take a loss and sell my gaming chips like the 7700k for 200 bucks or less.
Yes they would loss money but it would hurt AMD and give them the market back.
AMD hasnt made money in a decade, intel could afford a bad year to crush AMD.
Yes Intel still ask from people to pay insane price for weaker chips. They sell very small number of Broadwell-E processors last 2 months. They could be competitive with AMD but if price of i7-6900K drop on 500$.
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