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Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors

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2021/02/24 06:35:48 (permalink)
Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors | OC3D News (overclock3d.net)
 
Intel's Ryan Shrout has released some benchmarking data for the company's upcoming Rocket Lake powered i9-11900K processor, highlighting the drive's PCIe 4.0 storage performance using PCMARK 10's Quick System Drive Benchmark. Compared to AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X processor, a 16-core Zen 3 CPU, Intel's 8-core i9-11900K achieved a reported 11% performance lead over AMD's current desktop flagship. These tests were conducted using comparable Ryzen and Intel systems using the same memory, SSDs GPUs and drivers with comparable motherboards. 

Strangely, Intel lists their AM4 motherboard as ASUS' X570 ROG Rampage VIII Hero in their benchmark notes, which is a motherboard that doesn't exist. Intel should not have made this mistake, but let's assume that Intel meant to list ASUS' X570 ROG CrossHair VIII Hero motherboard. Intel's Rocket Lake CPU architecture is the company's first to support PCIe 4.0 on desktop platforms, allowing Intel to access SSD performance levels which can push past the limits of PCIe 3.0. This will allow Intel systems to utilise faster drives and benefit from faster read/write speeds. 
 
What exactly was Intel testing? In UL Banchmarks' technical guide for PCMARK 10, the company stated that their Quick System Drive Benchmark comprises six stages, which are listed below.    

- cps1 - Copying 339 JPEG files, 2.37 GB in total, into the target drive (write test)
- cps2 - Making a copy of the JPEG files (read-write test)
- cps3 - Copying the JPEG files to another drive (read test)
- exc - Using Microsoft Excel ill Using Adobe Illustrator
- psl - Using Adobe Photoshop (light use)

Please note that this test is not as extensive as PCMARK 10's Full System Drive Benchmark, a lengthier test that includes more stages and more varied testing. Another thing that is worth mentioning is that the "Quick" storage benchmark that Intel used is designed to "measure the performance of small system drives from traditional spinning drives (HDDs) at the low end and entry-level PCI Express SSDs at the high end". This benchmark is NOT designed for high-end PCIe 4.0 SSDs. 
 
While the benchmarks that Intel have shared are legitimate, we are baffled that Intel refused to share data from PCMARK 10's Full System Drive Benchmark. UL Benchmarks' own documentation says that their Quick System Drive Benchmark is "better suited for testing entry performance level and lower capacity drives", making it a strange choice for a high-end PCIe 4.0 benchmark comparison. 

What we fear is that this is a CPU performance benchmark masquerading as a pure storage benchmark. Intel's results imply that AMD's processors are not making the best use of PCIe 4.0 storage drives, though it is likely that AMD's Ryzen processors are facing a CPU-based performance limit that Intel's system is not. 

High-end storage benchmarks are inherently difficult to produce. Most write tests require benchmarking tools to rapidly create new files to write to SSDs at rates that are now measured in gigabytes per second. Many outdated SSD benchmarking tools have now effectively become CPU benchmarks, as performance can be limited by single-threaded CPU processing power and not raw SSD performance.  

Are Intel's benchmarks misleading? Yes and No. While Intel is using UL Benchmark's PCMARK 10 Quick System Drive test outside of its design intent, as it is a test that's designed for "small system drives from traditional spinning drives (HDDs) at the low end and entry-level PCI Express SSDs", Intel's results are the result of legitimate testing between two systems. 

While Intel has used PCMARK 10's Quick Storage Benchmark outside of its original remit, it does highlight how storage performance and CPU performance interact. Fast storage solutions require processors that are fast enough to keep up with their data output. In PCMARK's Quick Storage test, Intel has showcased how their i9-11900K can deliver more performance than AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X. 

Regardless of how you look at this testing, it is hard to deny that the results are fascinating. Regardless, it would have been nice to have also seen results from PCMARK 10's more extensive Full System Drive Benchmark, or at least hear a more in-depth explanation for why Intel's i9-11900K bests AMD's 16-core Ryzen 9 5950X. It would be nice to have some more context with these benchmarks. When speaking to a technical audience, a simple "here is the result, we win!" is not good enough. 
 
Looks like Intel was tired of hearing about AMD's PCI-E 4.0 and finally decided to innovate in my personal opinion.

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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 08:13:36 (permalink)
    Even with the usual bit of testing tomfoolery that companies do to make themselves look better.... they still pulled out an 11% advantage which isn't too shabby.
    Good for intel.

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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 08:37:54 (permalink)
    Now if Intel can price the processors in a manner that would make AMD lower their prices. Everyone thought AMD would be their savior from high priced Intel processors, but as soon as AMD got the lead, they took the overpricing lead too.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 08:45:55 (permalink)
    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 08:54:33 (permalink)
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    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.


    Yes, yeeeessss, poo poo on that speed increase. We don't need any stinking speed increases.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 08:58:43 (permalink)
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    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.


    Yes, yeeeessss, poo poo on that speed increase. We don't need any stinking speed increases.


    You're going to get a much higher increase from the M.2 NVME you pick vs this.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 09:01:28 (permalink)
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    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.


    Yes, yeeeessss, poo poo on that speed increase. We don't need any stinking speed increases.


    You're going to get a much higher increase from the M.2 NVME you pick vs this.


    Any speed increases is welcome from either side of the aisle in my book. You're just poo pooing it because it's from Intel.
    post edited by kram36 - 2021/02/24 11:42:38
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 09:22:32 (permalink)
    Z590 / 11th gen now matches current Ryzen in overall PCIe bandwidth, but is a +140% improvement over 10th gen Intel.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 09:27:09 (permalink)
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    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.

    Yes, yeeeessss, poo poo on that speed increase. We don't need any stinking speed increases.

    You're going to get a much higher increase from the M.2 NVME you pick vs this.

    Any speed increases is welcome from either side of the isle in my book. You're just poo pooing it because it's from Intel.

    No system I have in my house for the last 5 years has had an AMD part in it. Weird that you seem to want to threadcrap intent. Why don't you stick to only explaining your own intent and context. You'll get a lot less pushback from others for your nonsense that way.
    post edited by Brad_Hawthorne - 2021/02/24 09:37:58
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 09:31:49 (permalink)
    kevinc313
    Z590 / 11th gen now matches current Ryzen in overall PCIe bandwidth, but is a +140% improvement over 10th gen Intel.


    Did you not read the article?
     
    "Compared to AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X processor, a 16-core Zen 3 CPU, Intel's 8-core i9-11900K achieved a reported 11% performance lead over AMD's current desktop flagship."
     
    That's not matching AMD, it's surpassing AMD.
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 10:01:06 (permalink)
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    kevinc313
    Z590 / 11th gen now matches current Ryzen in overall PCIe bandwidth, but is a +140% improvement over 10th gen Intel.


    Did you not read the article?
     
    "Compared to AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X processor, a 16-core Zen 3 CPU, Intel's 8-core i9-11900K achieved a reported 11% performance lead over AMD's current desktop flagship."
     
    That's not matching AMD, it's surpassing AMD.




    I didn't read the article about the fabricated and cherrypicked benchmark.
     
    11th gen - Gen 4.0, 20x CPU attached, 4x Chipset
    Ryzen - Same
    post edited by kevinc313 - 2021/02/24 10:05:05
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/24 10:56:35 (permalink)
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    Real world vs Bench I don't think anyone is going to have issues about sitting around when they're using M.2 NVME. We're talking super fast vs super fast + 10%. The context is silly.

    Yes, yeeeessss, poo poo on that speed increase. We don't need any stinking speed increases.

    You're going to get a much higher increase from the M.2 NVME you pick vs this.

    Any speed increases is welcome from either side of the aisle in my book. You're just poo pooing it because it's from Intel.

    No system I have in my house for the last 5 years has had an AMD part in it. Weird that you seem to want to threadcrap intent. Why don't you stick to only explaining your own intent and context. You'll get a lot less pushback from others for your nonsense that way.


    I did, I said I welcome speed increase on either side of the aisle. Heck I have built Ryzen 5 2600X B450 and Ryzen 5 3600XT B550 systems for my personal use. I have also bought some AMD RX 580 video cards, so I'm not loyal to a specific brand, I buy what fits my needs at the best price I can fill those needs.
     
    You still sitting on your old X58 system then?
    post edited by kram36 - 2021/02/24 11:42:10
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/28 08:29:01 (permalink)
    kram36
     
    Any speed increases is welcome from either side of the aisle in my book. You're just poo pooing it because it's from Intel.




    I'll poo-pooh it because it's synthetic nonsense. Measure game loading times from a 2.5" SSD, a TLC M.2 drive, and a PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD, and it just doesn't matter for 4 out of 5 games. Which means, Intel's claim to fame with winning a synthetic test truly doesn't mean anything at all. I'd say the same if AMD was stupid enough to try and make such a claim. 


    Have water, will cool. 
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    Re: Intel claims PCIe 4.0 Storage Leadership with their Rocket Lake processors 2021/02/28 09:43:35 (permalink)
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    Any speed increases is welcome from either side of the aisle in my book. You're just poo pooing it because it's from Intel.




    I'll poo-pooh it because it's synthetic nonsense. Measure game loading times from a 2.5" SSD, a TLC M.2 drive, and a PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD, and it just doesn't matter for 4 out of 5 games. Which means, Intel's claim to fame with winning a synthetic test truly doesn't mean anything at all. I'd say the same if AMD was stupid enough to try and make such a claim. 


    I don't play games on my computer all day, I actually use it for business and I can tell the difference in the systems I have on which one respond faster. So shut the front door with your poo pooing, see you next tuesday.
    post edited by kram36 - 2021/02/28 09:51:37
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