Except AMD isn't actually make 7nm chips like they're pretending. It's a huge marketing lie and their fanboys are swallowing it whole. Its a big enough lie that it should be illegal. Certainly AMD is doing great things, especially at the prices they're able to sell their chips for, but they are not putting out 7nm anything next year.

In reality what the foundries that AMD, and other companies, are working with that are calling 7nm is actually equivalent to Intel's 10nm in die size.This isn't my opinion, this is a fact per independent industry expert David Kanter. When we see Intel finally get 10nm on the market its going to once again blow the doors off anything AMD has on the market in terms of their "7nm" chips when it comes to IPC and clock speeds.

With 7nm, AMD will finally be scratching the surface of what Intel is doing with their 14nm+++ chips. AMD has had to push the core count race because they've in no way been capable of coming close to Intel in either IPC or clock speeds. Even then Zen 2 will be two chips glued together under the IHS, just like EYPC, for those higher core count consumer CPUs.

Intel having that lead in IPC and clock speed is why they've never needed to bring their prices down either. Yes they've lost market share to AMD, but still have zero issue selling their chips. Because IPC and clock speed still matter to a huge segment of the market, a far bigger segment than 16+ cores matters. Or will matter for another decade.
 

 

GTXJackBauer
I was just reading this on FB and about to post it here but you beat me to it RJ. 
 
I will quote someone in response to a back and forth Intel vs AMD debate/argument that got me intrigued and wanted to share but won't share their identity. 

Except AMD isn't actually make 7nm chips like they're pretending. It's a huge marketing lie and their fanboys are swallowing it whole. Its a big enough lie that it should be illegal. Certainly AMD is doing great things, especially at the prices they're able to sell their chips for, but they are not putting out 7nm anything next year.

In reality what the foundries that AMD, and other companies, are working with that are calling 7nm is actually equivalent to Intel's 10nm in die size.This isn't my opinion, this is a fact per independent industry expert David Kanter. When we see Intel finally get 10nm on the market its going to once again blow the doors off anything AMD has on the market in terms of their "7nm" chips when it comes to IPC and clock speeds.

With 7nm, AMD will finally be scratching the surface of what Intel is doing with their 14nm+++ chips. AMD has had to push the core count race because they've in no way been capable of coming close to Intel in either IPC or clock speeds. Even then Zen 2 will be two chips glued together under the IHS, just like EYPC, for those higher core count consumer CPUs.

Intel having that lead in IPC and clock speed is why they've never needed to bring their prices down either. Yes they've lost market share to AMD, but still have zero issue selling their chips. Because IPC and clock speed still matter to a huge segment of the market, a far bigger segment than 16+ cores matters. Or will matter for another decade.
 

 

GTXJackBauer
How do you see the future unfold? 

MasterMiner
7nm will be the end of moores law - transistor density will have reached its limit. Even if they perfect the process - yield rates will always be low. Much of the wafers will be doa. Your now dealing with individual electrons passing through a gate to flip a single bit.

Bruno747

HaywireHaywood
True or not, that facebook quote doesn't so much sound like informed reporting as much as it sounds like a very defensive Intel fanboy spewing an angry rant.

Yes it does sound like an Intel fanboy, but it is indeed true. If you look at actual node specs for TSMC 7nm and Intel 10nm, they are almost exactly the same. If I remember correctly, there are only two specs that are slightly difference and only ever so slightly.
 
Not that this should surprise anyone, we have been dealing with fake named nodes since what 28nm?

boylerya

MasterMiner
7nm will be the end of moores law - transistor density will have reached its limit. Even if they perfect the process - yield rates will always be low. Much of the wafers will be doa. Your now dealing with individual electrons passing through a gate to flip a single bit.

https://semiengineering.c...or-options-beyond-3nm/