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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
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SprayingMango Wow this is nuts!! Just knowing you have a time bomb of a card on your hands is super stressful. If it dies, you most likely would not get a replacement for a long time. I'm actually incredibly relieved I did not get a card now!! LOL
EVGA always holds stock back for RMAs. Not sure about those other companies.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:08:45
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SprayingMango Wow this is nuts!! Just knowing you have a time bomb of a card on your hands is super stressful. If it dies, you most likely would not get a replacement for a long time. I'm actually incredibly relieved I did not get a card now!! LOL
EVGA always holds stock back for RMAs. Not sure about those other companies.
Sure, so they just send you another broken card with POSCAPs as RMA. lol
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:14:20
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EVGA 3090 FTW - 2 MLCC. It just arrived.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:18:00
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I'm cancelling my order if EVGA is using POSCAPS in FTW3 models. I am already reading people having "faulty" MSI Gaming X Trios that have to be downvolted and downclocked in order to make them stable. And they are apparently using 5x POSCAP 1xMLCC and this might very well be the issue.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:34:39
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So if these are the issue and people are having to down clock their cards all these companies might get a class action on them for false advertisement?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:37:41
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I'm wondering that cause evga warranties the card per there stated boost.. not for overclocking.
So if you gota downclock it a little to keep it stable and its still above their stated clock. They may do nothing about it
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:44:45
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vgerik1234 EVGA 3090 FTW - 2 MLCC. It just arrived.
At this point for the sake of whatever is going on in this thread EVGA did the same on the 3080 FTW3. Rampant speculation, especially on card with its own power delivery design, ie not even reference is not super helpful. We do know that live on air GN showed the first 3080 to hit 14k on port royal on LN2 and that it was a FTW3 with 0 MLCC... Before that it was the highest overclocking card on air at 400watts.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:48:48
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I think it is an issue no matter if it's OC or not right?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:49:05
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Maybe we can get more users to post photos as well. That would be very helpful to see just how random all of this really is. Glad it's easy to see so taking photos shouldn't be difficult.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 10:58:01
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Lokator https://www.igorslab.de/e...-rtx-3080-andrtx-3090/
So Igor means, Zotac cards crashing have 6x POSCAP and 0x MLCC. He means less MLCC and more POSCAP behind chip ---> more crashing
FE has 4x POSCAP and 2x MLCC.
Asus Strix has 6x MLCC. I saw pics with Tuf and 6x POSCAP, but Igor says even Tuf has 6x MLCC now.
He says that bord partners had no drivers to test so most of them are slapping more MLCC in now.
Looked at Pic of XC3 and 1x MLCC, 5x POSCAP.
At pic of FTW3 Ultra it has 0x MLCC and 6x POSCAP.
Igor means 6x MLCC brings potential higher stable Mhz on the chip.
If FTW3 really has 6x POSCAP and Asus Strix 6x MLCC, I really consider waiting for the Strix.
Any Info if FTW3 really has 0x MLCC, 2x less than FE and 6x less than Strix?
Will EVGA change it if true?
First of all, you sound like a noob who read an article on the internet. They are called "tantalums" and "ceramics" in casual and professional electronics parlance. Nobody calls them by the formal names used in the article. There is no real cost difference. One tantalum is about is the same price as 10 small ceramics. They are all put on by machine. We're talking like well under a dollar for a tantalum in China, in a large lot. Extremely common parts. Typically you would use an array of ceramics with their lower ESR to get better power filtering. This is electronics 101 type stuff. But if power is good enough to not need it, you can just throw on the tantalums. Clearly the testing was insufficient. I feel bad for anyone at EVGA USA who is currently swapping these parts out manually.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 11:31:33
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yes tbf both have probably their advantages, so there might habe been a bit of a panic reaction. a 4/2 combination might be all right.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 11:34:53
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Lokator yes tbf both have probably their advantages, so there might habe been a bit of a panic reaction. a 4/2 combination might be all right.
I would seriously bet they are swapping caps out at EVGA USA as we speak and that what is causing the FTW3 delay.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 11:42:55
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Lokator yes tbf both have probably their advantages, so there might habe been a bit of a panic reaction. a 4/2 combination might be all right.
Igor mentioned in the article that the noise could only be an issue with NVDD (requiring only 1 ceramic array) or NVDD/MSVDD (requiring 2). If the others are for the other systems (ram, fans, etc) then more may not be needed. I really wonder if PSU quality is also a factor since we're talking about noise on the voltage rails. Perhaps using an expensive power supply could mitigate the issue somewhat by providing a cleaner 12V rail to begin with. This could explain why the reviewers didn't have issues with their early design cards as they all use expensive PSUs, but this is pure speculation.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:20:54
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Are we going to get official feedback on this from Jacob and EVGA?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:22:02
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Just received my 3090 FTW3 Ultra. This is what is what it should look like correct with 2 MLCC?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:25:30
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USALion Are we going to get official feedback on this from Jacob and EVGA?
Guessing if this is true it would be awhile before we get word about it as I'm sure they need to wait for Nvidia to figure it all out and get back to them first. Evga isint gona say theirs an issue without nvidia giving the go ahead first. If they came out and said it's all bullcrap right away then that shows you it's all crap and rumors.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:46:14
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At pic of FTW3 Ultra it has 0x MLCC and 6x POSCAP.
If FTW3 really has 6x POSCAP and Asus Strix 6x MLCC, I really consider waiting for the Strix.
Any Info if FTW3 really has 0x MLCC, 2x less than FE and 6x less than Strix?
Will EVGA change it if true?
This needs do be answered. I love EVGA, but I'll be pissed if I pay $810+ for a card that can't hold stable overclocks. Even if just a little. Which phrase sounds better to you guys, CapacitorGate or just MemoryGate? We have to get it right the first time and stick with it.
How about the I successfully checked out and still didn't get one... gate If there is any glaring defect EVGA will take care of you. They always have gone above and beyond.
This is why I would go with Evga despite everything else. If there's any issues then I'm confident evga will fix it.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:50:07
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jsteedman We do know that live on air GN showed the first 3080 to hit 14k on port royal on LN2 and that it was a FTW3 with 0 MLCC... Before that it was the highest overclocking card on air at 400watts.
It actually had 1
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:52:38
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:55:57
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Hoping we get some clarity on this soon. I am certainly not thrilled about a additional delay but I certainly don't want another 6 series launch where I have 6 defective cards during the time of ownership. I'm sure we will get some news on this soon. EVGA is a great company and will make it right I am sure. The good news is that they may catch this early enough that a majority of the users will receive revised cards if found to be a issue.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:56:41
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This is a huge deal, evga needs to officially comment
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:57:42
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yes seems to be all good here
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 12:58:28
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Oh man so glad i just flipped my 3080 xc3 ultra. Some moron gave me a 2080ti + 800 for it. This looks like a lottery and if these crashes are hardware related my heart goes out for the buyers of them. Sucks to RMA expensive cards.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 13:03:23
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What we really need is people who buy cards to start posting pictures of the backplate here. It's possible this was already fixed (and part of the delay) but there's no way to tell without pictures of recent purchases. Anyone have a 3080 FTW3 they can post the back of?
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 13:06:04
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I doubt 6x POSCAP will be a problem since GN broke the Port Royal record under ln2 with a FTW3.
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 13:07:14
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mrjeffos What we really need is people who buy cards to start posting pictures of the backplate here. It's possible this was already fixed (and part of the delay) but there's no way to tell without pictures of recent purchases. Anyone have a 3080 FTW3 they can post the back of?
someone already did, scroll up to the imgur link 3080 seems 4 tantalums and 2 ceramics now
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Re: Igors Lab: Less MLCC, more crashing and lower clocks?
2020/09/25 13:12:03
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Seems like AIBs weren't given enough time by nvidia to properly test everything.
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