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ddr4 3000mhz 16-18-18-38 CL: 16 V:1.35 and ddr4 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 CL:14 V:1.35 How much difference between these two ram?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 12:41:29
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What Make Model Number are each One? Speed is One and Timing & CAS Latency (CL) is the Other. Real world, Compatibility is about all, what Motherboard Make and Model are you wanting to use them in?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 12:46:45
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ddr4 3000mhz 16-16-16-38 CL: 16 V:1.35
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ddr4 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 CL:14 V:1.35
How much difference between these two ram?
Tighter timings is generally better however in real world difference, very negligible, deciding factor probably would be price.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 14:10:12
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Taking price and compatibility out of the equation, then the obvious choice is the faster ram with the lower timings... How much of a difference would you see, not much if any imo...
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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So let me ask this then, is 16-18-18-38 CL: 16 V:1.35 for ddr4 considered Good, medium, or bad?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 14:18:48
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So let me ask this then, is 16-18-18-38 CL: 16 V:1.35 for ddr4 considered Good, medium, or bad?
From what I recall seeing when I was shopping for ram, that speed ram (3000 - 3200 range) those timings were pretty average/common.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 15:39:21
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You won't see much of a difference. Get the ram with the lower timings.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 15:40:28
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You won't see much of a difference. Get the ram with the lower timings.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 16:51:41
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If your building a gaming system. I would recommend you go with 16GB of RAM that's been tested to work with the mobo you choose.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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I was going to do 32gb of ram (4x8gb sticks)
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/01 21:30:30
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If your building a gaming system. I would recommend you go with 16GB of RAM that's been tested to work with the mobo you choose.
His rig currently has 32 gigs of Ram. So I don't think that matters. He wants to know which Ram specs would work better. Performance wise, etc.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 01:55:41
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There was no much difference with ddr3 and with ddr4 there is difference, and ofcourse is better to take the second one. In some on cpu depended games u ll have some fps more, and the more u oc - the more difference u ll notice.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 06:55:26
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Fast RAM is good for benchmarks. But you will not notice a difference in real life applications.
That being said, get the fastest, best timed RAM for the smallest amount. If price of the two kits you identified is close, get the faster RAM with the better timings. If the price difference is significant then just buy the slower RAM. It won't matter unless you want to enter a gender size, "My dad can beat up your dad." etc... contest on the internet.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 11:38:59
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There was no much difference with ddr3 and with ddr4 there is difference,
Not so True.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 11:40:34
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I Picked up the first ram when it was on sale, although i did end up buying the ram i did'nt mean to. Meaning the (16-18-18-38 CL:16)
After receiving the ram i realized my mistake, and now the second ram is no longer on sale.
so the price difference between the two: First set i picked up was 2 kits (2x8gb) so 4 sticks total. Price:313.98
The second ram is no longer on sale and cost of 2 kits (2x8gb) 4 total. Price:431.98
So obviously i guess i'll be sticking with the slower ram since i already have it and price is so different. :( But totally my fault.
Just hoping the ram i have is still considered good.
So follow up question here ( I hate i rushed buying the ram because it was on sale, and did'nt get to fully research what i should be looking for.)
Being as the motherboard is dual channel memory with 4 slots on it.
Is it better to get two dual channel memory kits? 2 (2x8gb) Kits, or better to get one (4x8gb) kit?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 12:19:17
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If supported Dual channel is better
Mixing two smaller kits to get a larger combo ---> that is throwing the dice ---> does Not always work at advertised timing
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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So no matter what, dual channel or other. If im going to use 4 sticks, make sure to buy them together as one kit?
If that's the case, im probably goinig to send back what i have and wait for the Motherboard to be released then buy the ram. (as one 4 stick kit)
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 12:56:01
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So no matter what, dual channel or other. If im going to use 4 sticks, make sure to buy them together as one kit?
Yes.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 12:59:02
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So no matter what, dual channel or other. If im going to use 4 sticks, make sure to buy them together as one kit?
If that's the case, im probably goinig to send back what i have and wait for the Motherboard to be released then buy the ram. (as one 4 stick kit)
Yes Check the MFG's - FAQs, I'm sure Corsair and GSkill say " you should not mix RAM kits" ---> it May work but No Guarantees that it will at advertised timings
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 13:13:57
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I Picked up the first ram when it was on sale, although i did end up buying the ram i did'nt mean to. Meaning the (16-18-18-38 CL:16)
After receiving the ram i realized my mistake, and now the second ram is no longer on sale.
so the price difference between the two: First set i picked up was 2 kits (2x8gb) so 4 sticks total. Price:313.98
The second ram is no longer on sale and cost of 2 kits (2x8gb) 4 total. Price:431.98
So obviously i guess i'll be sticking with the slower ram since i already have it and price is so different. :( But totally my fault.
Just hoping the ram i have is still considered good.
So follow up question here ( I hate i rushed buying the ram because it was on sale, and did'nt get to fully research what i should be looking for.)
Being as the motherboard is dual channel memory with 4 slots on it.
Is it better to get two dual channel memory kits? 2 (2x8gb) Kits, or better to get one (4x8gb) kit?
Your mistake actually saved you some money which you can spend on something better/more important/give to wife or girlfriend as peace offering. I bought G. Skill Aegis RAM separately (2 sets of 1X8GB with same speeds and timings) and it works flawlessly in my PC. The reason I went that route was pricing. They had single 8GB sticks on sale for $50 per unit so I took the risk. But the consensus is not to buy separate RAM modules as they have not been tested together. I suppose I got lucky, or there's another myth to debunk.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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If your building a gaming system. I would recommend you go with 16GB of RAM that's been tested to work with the mobo you choose.
His rig currently has 32 gigs of Ram. So I don't think that matters. He wants to know which Ram specs would work better. Performance wise, etc.
That info wasn't posted. 
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 19:27:10
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You won't see much of a difference. Get the ram with the lower timings.
Crucial would argue against you. If you look at their chart you'll see that speed gives the lowest true latency, not CL timings. Now if we're talking about the same bandwidth speed, lower timings are better, but when comparing different speeds the higher speed offers lower true latency. http://www.crucial.com/us...formance-speed-latency
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
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If your building a gaming system. I would recommend you go with 16GB of RAM that's been tested to work with the mobo you choose.
His rig currently has 32 gigs of Ram. So I don't think that matters. He wants to know which Ram specs would work better. Performance wise, etc.
That info wasn't posted.
Don't worry, I did the research for both of us. LOL. 
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/02 23:26:44
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Faster lower timings are always better but keep in mind the price difference since memory is one of those things in which you can spend a lot more for faster memory and not really see a real world benefit from it. If you have the money it's good to spend it on the faster memory but if you have a wife or girlfriend who will complain about the cost of the build memory is a good place to save a little on to make her happy with the final price of everything.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/03 04:58:31
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I pretty much funded this project by selling off some of my other stuff, so no worries from the wifey here.
This is a one time build for me, as i won't be able to do anything like this again for a long time. I don't really get to treat myself to much.
I use my computer for a bunch of different stuff, but im a gamer at heart so about 70% of its usage will be for high end gaming.
I want to get this right, this is my first build so i know i am a little bit all over the place trying to figure everything out.
I just want to make sure i don't make a bad choice that will effect how good things can run.
That being said, my budget for the ram is somewhere around $350-400. I know the motherboard is still yet to be released.
But from all the leaks, and asus actually posting z370 specs on there page now, it looks like the same ram supported on the last z270 MB's
will be close to the same for the new z370. But that's not totally confirmed yet.
So if for $40-$60 dollars difference i have no problem returning two ram kits, for a 4 stick kit that could have better timings and compatibility.
I still have alot of waiting to do, so returning and getting different ram makes no difference to me,
because it would still show up before the motherboard. And mabey the processor.
Im totally open to any suggestions of what i should do, or what particular ram i should get. (I am fond of the trident z rgb, because of my rig theme.)
Everything on my rig lighting wise that i decided to use is Asus Aura compatible, and at the time, the trident z was the only lighted ram compatible with Aura.
Looks like the new Corsair Vengence rgb ddr4 jumped on the Asus Aura bandwagon now as well.
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Re: How much real world difference between these two ram?
2017/10/03 06:20:48
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Crucial would argue against you. If you look at their chart you'll see that speed gives the lowest true latency, not CL timings. Now if we're talking about the same bandwidth speed, lower timings are better, but when comparing different speeds the higher speed offers lower true latency.
http://www.crucial.com/us...formance-speed-latency
Ok, this sheds some light on the speed vs. latency issue. Thanks for posting that. I remember seeing an article in which GeIL memory was tested. Slightly slower RAM with tighter timings performed MARGINALLY better. The price difference between such RAM kits with similar speeds and timings simply makes NO sense, though.
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