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So one of the persistent requests from evga customers around here is to allow 3080 preorders. I get how they couldn't do preorders before yesterday but not doing preorders now is silly. Zotac delivered many pallets of video cards to Amazon Germany. In fact they delivered so many that many Americans are importing from Germany. *Note I am NOT doing that* In addition, Zotac is allowing preorders with Amazon via special links that are bot resistant. Many of us over at nowinstock got Zotac 3080 OC card preorders in at Amazon an hour or so ago. At this point, there are going to be a lot of dudes like me rocking with a Zotac card despite wanting an evga card. And sometimes once you lose those customers they don't come back. If there is a clear winner in the AIB space right now, it's Zotac as people are extremely happy that they are giving people a way to get a card without hitting F5 for a month and hoping somehow they can beat out a bot. evga, your customers WANT preorders. They want to give you their hard-earned money. Not allowing preorders at this point is tone-deaf and plain old stubborn.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:04:50
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So many people on that Amazon Pre-Order its going to be a while before it gets sorted.. Out. For a Que- System to work.. (its no longer pre-order its already out) everyone has to do it. That way it evens out, and half your que won't jump ship when something else comes available. You can beat that though by only building certain supply every week.. And controlling it.. Like Valve Does with Index.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:07:38
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No idea.. maybe evga dont want to hire more staff to deal with people emailing them all the time asking wheres my card all the time?
Customer service,warranty and the ability to remove the heatsink to replace paste or add a water block besides the best forums and top of the line products are reasons I've been with Evga for decades.. and will continue to buy from Evga in the future.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:11:48
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AHowes No idea.. maybe evga dont want to hire more staff to deal with people emailing them all the time asking wheres my card all the time?
Customer service,warranty and the ability to remove the heatsink to replace paste or add a water block besides the best forums and top of the line products are reasons I've been with Evga for decades.. and will continue to buy from Evga in the future.
Zotac is providing a 5 year warranty for free with registration. Evga doesn't do that, you have to pay extra for that. And you CAN'T buy from evga right now, that's my point.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:12:02
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Also the Zotec is like the worse 3080 card so far out bunch. EVGA also.. Won't change.. I might of jumped ship yesterday If I could of.. But now, nope. But I def would have not bought a Zotec. 5 year warranty is pretty cool.. I don't think I have kept a card more than 2. So eh.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:13:33
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Malkuth74 So many people on that Amazon Pre-Order its going to be a while before it gets sorted.. Out. For a Que- System to work.. (its no longer pre-order its already out) everyone has to do it. That way it evens out, and half your que won't jump ship when something else comes available. You can beat that though by only building certain supply every week.. And controlling it.. Like Valve Does with Index.
That's not true. They only take so many preorders then shut it down. My order is scheduled to ship by Sept 30th. And, since it's Amazon, if I find something else I can cancel the order in 1 click. They haven't touched my money but I get a place in line. That's what evga needs to do, heck I would have even put down a non-refundable $50 to get in the queue.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:15:51
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i encourage everyone to go buy Zotac cards elsewhere so when EVGA cards come in stock there is less competition.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:15:54
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Malkuth74 Also the Zotec is like the worse 3080 card so far out bunch. EVGA also.. Won't change.. I might of jumped ship yesterday If I could of.. But now, nope. But I def would have not bought a Zotec. 5 year warranty is pretty cool.. I don't think I have kept a card more than 2. So eh.
The plain Zotac was slightly behind the Nvidia FE version, but I ordered the OC version of the card. Should be at least equal to FE. The reviews showed the cooling to be fine. I don't keep cards too long either but free 5 years of warranty is a real plus. That's the reason I drive a Golf R, because it came with a free 6 year 72,000 mile warranty. Free extended warranties are a plus for the buyer and for selling when used.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:17:52
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Where is this amazon pre-order link?
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:17:52
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q5sys i encourage everyone to go buy Zotac cards elsewhere so when EVGA cards come in stock there is less competition.
I've been an evga customer for at least 15 years. But if they won't even rise to the level of customer service provided by Zotac then we have a problem. Oh, and the 5 to 7 year old design for the evga 3080 cards isn't a selling point either.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:19:35
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Malkuth74 So many people on that Amazon Pre-Order its going to be a while before it gets sorted.. Out. For a Que- System to work.. (its no longer pre-order its already out) everyone has to do it. That way it evens out, and half your que won't jump ship when something else comes available. You can beat that though by only building certain supply every week.. And controlling it.. Like Valve Does with Index.
That's not true. They only take so many preorders then shut it down. My order is scheduled to ship by Sept 30th. And, since it's Amazon, if I find something else I can cancel the order in 1 click. They haven't touched my money but I get a place in line. That's what evga needs to do, heck I would have even put down a non-refundable $50 to get in the queue.
Well then I'd say stick around for the next round of Evga cards. Thought I heard every few days? Maybe get a card quicker then the 30th. Tips would be to watch Jacob's Twitter feed as in the past he usually gave a heads up before he listed more cards. Also did that on the forum as well. Dont wait for an email notice as it will be too late most of the time.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:19:46
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gutcheck Where is this amazon pre-order link?
go to the nowinstock page and sign up for discord/telegram alerts. If a preorder shows up, you can click one button to add it to your cart in amazon. Now instock will feed you the links or there is a guy providing direct links to add in cart. For example: https://www.amazon.com/gp...4RJ3Q&Quantity.1=1
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:21:15
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I did not know they had 5 years warranty now... pretty cool.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:22:13
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pbmpharmacist Zotac is providing a 5 year warranty for free with registration. Evga doesn't do that, you have to pay extra for that.
Good, because you're going to need it. I had a Zotac Amp Extreme 1070 in my dev rig because work didn't want to pay for a more expensive EVGA card, and I ended up having to get the card replaced 3 times before finally saying screw it and demanding a refund. Bought a 2080 of theirs... and had the same issues... so back to Microcenter it went. When using four 4k screens, one screen would flicker in and out every 30 seconds or so. To be clear, I was not gaming on four 4k screens. I'm a Linux/FreeBSD dev, so I use more screens for productivity. A pair of browsers, an irc window, an IDE, and monitoring programs shouldn't cause a GPU to have issues... but with Zotac it did. My work dev rig ended up getting an EVGA 2080 which has been solid ever since. My personal gaming rig has a EVGA 750ti FTW, which I'm hoping to upgrade from soon. But I'm happy to wait a few weeks if it means I can get an EVGA card. I'll use a Zotac card in a pinch, but wont want to rely on it.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:23:24
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Also does Zotac have a transferable warranty with that 5 year warranty? That makes a difference for the next buyer.. people like used evga cards with a warranty as it's a better idea to have a warranty if your buying a used expensive card.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:23:42
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Am I the only one that thinks the EVGA 3080 looks freaking amazing, aesthetically? This is one of my favorite looking video cards, and I've been building gaming PCs since the TNT just about. At least the FTW3 version. But the XC3 is still good looking.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:27:19
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USALion Am I the only one that thinks the EVGA 3080 looks freaking amazing, aesthetically? This is one of my favorite video cards, and I've been building gaming PCs since the TNT just about. At least the FTW3 version. But the XC3 is still good looking.
It was fine to me as well.. though I'd end up slapping a water block on it anyways...but the ftw3 looks good to me.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:27:39
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I don't know all the answers guys, I'm a pharmacist. I'm busy with work and being an autism dad. I didn't sleep the other night, I started at 8pm Wednesday until maybe 12pm Thursday trying to get a card. Had an evga ultra xc3 in my cart at the webstore here and couldn't check out. I just don't have the kind of time to F5 for days on end hoping that an evga will fall from the sky. Maybe some of you can relate. Glad to hand evga my money but they have to meet me half way here and they don't seem very interested in doing that.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:28:17
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So you if you buy a Zotac 3080 from Amazon Germany, will Zotac honor the warranty in the US? Something to consider...
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:29:37
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jasheeky So you if you buy a Zotac 3080 from Amazon Germany, will Zotac honor the warranty in the US? Something to consider...
I didn't buy from amazon germany, I bought from Amazon USA. There were apparently so many Zotac cards delivered to Amazon Germany though that there were plenty to import to America though. I would not recommend importing from overseas for the exact reason you mentioned, the warranty.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:34:33
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the amazon zotac is likely a glitch, don't expect your card for a long time it was not intentional...way too much complaining
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 10:54:58
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stephenta the amazon zotac is likely a glitch, don't expect your card for a long time it was not intentional...way too much complaining
You've been registered for 11+ years and this is your ONE post during that entire time. Fascinating!?!?!
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 11:23:15
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AHowes Also does Zotac have a transferable warranty with that 5 year warranty?
That makes a difference for the next buyer.. people like used evga cards with a warranty as it's a better idea to have a warranty if your buying a used expensive card.
I believe only the 3 year warranty transfers with the card, the additional 2 years is only for those who register their cards, much like EVGA does with extended warranty.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 11:47:33
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stephenta the amazon zotac is likely a glitch, don't expect your card for a long time it was not intentional...way too much complaining
You've been registered for 11+ years and this is your ONE post during that entire time. Fascinating!?!?!
Tons of folks don't have a good understanding of e-commerce and supply chain... and to my point, the Zotac listing on amazon was not INTENTIONAL.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 12:53:03
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stephenta the amazon zotac is likely a glitch, don't expect your card for a long time it was not intentional...way too much complaining
You've been registered for 11+ years and this is your ONE post during that entire time. Fascinating!?!?!
Tons of folks don't have a good understanding of e-commerce and supply chain... and to my point, the Zotac listing on amazon was not INTENTIONAL.
I have an MBA, explain your rationale
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 15:04:36
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AHowes Also does Zotac have a transferable warranty with that 5 year warranty?
That makes a difference for the next buyer.. people like used evga cards with a warranty as it's a better idea to have a warranty if your buying a used expensive card.
I believe only the 3 year warranty transfers with the card, the additional 2 years is only for those who register their cards, much like EVGA does with extended warranty.
Zotac's warranty is non-transferable. It's right in their warranty terms and conditions.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 15:19:12
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pbmpharmacist In addition, Zotac is allowing preorders with Amazon via special links that are bot resistant. Many of us over at nowinstock got Zotac 3080 OC card preorders in at Amazon an hour or so ago. ... Not allowing preorders at this point is tone-deaf and plain old stubborn.
With all respect please show proof for the first point. I simply do not believe that. On the second point PreOrders have never ever stopped bots. I know because I've danced this dance before and it is always a battle against the bots. Never ever have PreOrders done anything at all to mitigate bots. Bots can bypass captcha and order limitations easily. Much more easily than I ever thought possible. Captcha is oversold and ineffective. This has been an issue for years and the real problem is complacency from retailers in doing something effective to mitigate botting and scalpers. If Zotac is truly doing something different than I would love to learn more about it. *Without additional measures PreOrders alone will not stop bots and botting* There is not rational reason to believe PreOrders alone can stop bots. Additionally PreOrders were not allowed by Nvidia. Amazon allowed people to order cards in various countries before release day, this was likely an error and not intentional. In Canada the MSI Ventus 3 was available for Order on the 14th. No one that noticed said anything and it remained open for a surprisingly long time. ( https://imgur.com/a/bxZNr2X - notice the Sept 14 order date)
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 15:41:51
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Although I do purchase Evga Cards, I have heard nothing but good things from buds on other Forums re: Zotac (just about pulled the pin on a 2080Ti a year or so go). I was told there customer service was great as is build quality. I'm not ssure if disassembling to install a Block would void Warranty, but I would be very surprised if it did, considering all the folks removing stock coolers and installing Water Blocks.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 16:43:46
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I normally don't get in on conversations like this, but I feel like you're forgetting a lot of the reasons for buying from EVGA. #1 The customer support is amazing, TOP NOTCH. I had a GTX 480 die on me years ago and I was running two of them in SLI, they replaced both cards with 670's in SLI name another company that would do that? #2 The warranty is amazing. I don't know too many companies that will let you replace the cooler and thermal paste and still keep your warranty. Also, I would be surprised if people actually received all of those cards. I feel like it's some kind of glitch.
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Re: How Zotac is eating EVGA's lunch
2020/09/18 17:01:14
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stephenta the amazon zotac is likely a glitch, don't expect your card for a long time it was not intentional...way too much complaining
You've been registered for 11+ years and this is your ONE post during that entire time. Fascinating!?!?!
Tons of folks don't have a good understanding of e-commerce and supply chain... and to my point, the Zotac listing on amazon was not INTENTIONAL.
I have an MBA, explain your rationale
Every supply chain has been effected by covid... travel is limited and it's taking longer to validate samples, all manufacturing was hurt earlier in the year, covid struck the hardest near Chinese new years which is one the only times manufacturing shuts down in China. That also impacts supply of raw material which is required for parts manufacturing, these companies are able to scale relatively well and obviously aren't reliant on a single source. Also simply put the Zotac order from amazon today just sent out a bunch of cancellation emails. Thanks for pointing out you have an MBA though, not sure what you're trying to get at, it doesn't help anyone think any harder.
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