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Hello everyone.
 
I am willing to bet most of us loyal EVGA customers are mad at scalpers and bot operators. I personally didn't try to buy a 3080 but I feel the frustration in the posts. I'm sure EVGA is doing everything they can to combat bots and scalpers (purchase limits, hand reviewing orders, CAPTCHAs, etc.) but there hasn't been much talk on what we can do, besides the obvious not-supporting-scalpers.
 
However, I propose we CAN help combat scalpers on eBay. You can do this by doing the following:
 
  1. Create 3 day auctions for brand new EVGA 3080s. Cancel the auction before it ends. (EDIT: Cancel before 12 hours left). This does not negatively affect your eBay Seller account and you can do this as many times as you would like. Bidders cannot leave feedback. Doing this will lower the overall profits of scalpers and bots. This will also discourage and dishearten those who support scalpers.

  2. Be the winning bidder on at least two EVGA 3080 cards at all times. Bid like crazy and when the dust settles and you win, do not pay. You can see this already happening on eBay right now with $30,000 and $50,000 auctions! eBay will allow you to have up to two unpaid item strikes on your account before they can technically limit your bidding abilities. Other than that, doing so does not affect your eBay account. This will delay the scalpers from actually selling and will allow time for nvidia and EVGA to replenish their stock.

  3. Report all listings that state the card will ship once they receive it. Selling things without expressly stating that the Seller "guarantee delivery within 30 days of purchase" is not allowed by eBay's policies. Any mentions of of conditions of sale or any extra buying requirements are also prohibited. You can read more about eBay's policies here:
 
Together we can create a digital army to protect EVGA's image and help our fellow loyal EVGA customers! Please share your thoughts and concerns and take action to protect all EVGA 3080 and 3090 purchases!
 
P.S. If you are a scalper or one who has paid for bot services, please preempt your post informing such. Thanks!
 
 
post edited by lazyacevw - 2020/09/18 12:07:55
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 06:08:47 (permalink)
    How to: enter a legal contract and then weasel your way out of it. No thanks!
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 06:12:50 (permalink)
    I wouldn't suggest doing any of this unless you have a spare account that you don't care for. I wouldn't risk my almost 20 year old account. Plus once someone bids on your auction, you can't cancel it without some kind of penalty.
     
     
     
    "You can end your auction listing early if:
    • There are no bids on your item
    • There are bids on your item, and you are willing to sell your item to the current highest bidder
    • There are bids on your item, and you don't want to sell it to the highest bidder, but there are 12 or more hours left in the listing. You'll need to cancel all active bids before you can end your listing. In this situation, we charge a fee equivalent to the final value fee that you would have paid if the listing had ended on its own and sold for the highest bid received when you ended the listing. We allow you to end one listing each calendar year without being charged this fee
    You can’t end your auction listing early if:
    • There are fewer than 12 hours left in the listing, you’ve received bids, and you don’t want to sell it to the highest bidder
    • There are fewer than 12 hours left in the listing, you’ve received bids, but the item’s reserve price hasn’t been met yet
    If your listing isn't eligible to be ended early, you can contact any bidders to explain the situation and ask them to retract their bids. If the auction has finished, you can contact the winner and, if they agree, you can cancel the transaction.
    Ending listings early disappoints bidders, so we may place limits and restrictions on your account if you are doing so regularly."
     

     
     
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 11:30:26 (permalink)
    Is there any legal binding that the person or eBay can take you to court and make you pay?
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 11:39:48 (permalink)
    I've seen today from past sold 3080 cards going into the multi thousands.. figuring those are some kind of joke..though by being the winner of the auction one must pay??

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 11:41:13 (permalink)
    Luckily, there are plenty of decent coders that have basically done what you suggest - & have made bot accounts to constantly force these scalpers into a loop of no sales... plus the attention it has gotten recently may actually force Ebay to do something about it

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 11:56:22 (permalink)
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    How to: enter a legal contract and then weasel your way out of it. No thanks!



    Buyers and Sellers both agree to eBay's terms of use, which requires forced arbitration for any disagreements. Which means, eBay makes all of the decisions concerning outcomes of complaints. If you've ever used eBay and filed a claim for an item, you are already aware of how this process works. I have not found any anecdotal evidence of anyone being sued in the U.S. There is one case in another country where someone was sued for a several hundred thousand deal gone wrong. Scammers would waste more money than it would be worth. eBay only holds people financially accountable once payment has been exchanged.
     
    Killa024
    I wouldn't suggest doing any of this unless you have a spare account that you don't care for. I wouldn't risk my almost 20 year old account. Plus once someone bids on your auction, you can't cancel it without some kind of penalty.

     
    One can safely accomplish #2 and #3 without risking any accounts. Nothing wrong with using burner accounts, if you prefer. As of a few years ago, Sellers can no longer leave negative feedback.
     
    I've been using eBay for a long time as well, 18 years. With thousands of 100% positive feedback as a Seller and a Buyer, I have handled over 60 cases in the last 18 months (again, both as a buyer and a seller). eBay wants to keep buyers and sellers so they appease both at the same time, with a slight advantage to Buyers. You can certainly cancel a listing up until the 12 hours remaining mark without any penalties. Even after the listing ends, you can still easily cancel the listing without penalty. I've had several sellers cancel on me although I would never do it to one of my buyers. eBay's listed policies are often not followed by eBay support technicians that I have chatted with. They state that the policies are just loose guidelines.
     
    robmp11
    Is there any legal binding that the person or eBay can take you to court and make you pay?

     
    I talked about it a little bit earlier. eBay requires arbitration. If anyone is dumb enough to take anyone to court it would cost thousands in fees and they would have to demonstrate how you caused them to lose money. That would be kind of hard to demonstrate since items are only worth what someone is willing to ACTUALLY pay for them. "Judge, it's only worth $699 but I was trying to sell a new item for 22 times what I paid for it... pity me!". There are dozens of more legal hurdles if both parties live in different states and will be unfeasible if different countries are involved.
     
    AHowes
    I've seen today from past sold 3080 cards going into the multi thousands.. figuring those are some kind of joke..though by being the winner of the auction one must pay??

     
    Realistically, most of those listings probably result in a buyer that doesn't pay. If they do pay, there is a scary chance that the buyer will just claim the card never arrived, or that the box arrived empty. I've seen this a lot with orders I have shipped to forwarding addresses in Florida, New York, New Jersey, California, etc).
     
    aka_STEVE_b
    Luckily, there are plenty of decent coders that have basically done what you suggest - & have made bot accounts to constantly force these scalpers into a loop of no sales... plus the attention it has gotten recently may actually force Ebay to do something about it

     
    Nice! Fight fire with fire. I love the idea and hopefully more EVGA customers can adopt this route! I have been watching and bidding on quite a few listings and eBay appears to be deleting quite a few EVGA 3080 listings from eBay. When trying to view the listings, they can no longer be found on eBay, whereas if a Seller ends an auction early, the listing is still available for viewing.
    post edited by lazyacevw - 2020/09/18 12:06:50
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 12:21:03 (permalink)
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    Hello everyone.
     
    I am willing to bet most of us loyal EVGA customers are mad at scalpers and bot operators. I personally didn't try to buy a 3080 but I feel the frustration in the posts. I'm sure EVGA is doing everything they can to combat bots and scalpers (purchase limits, hand reviewing orders, CAPTCHAs, etc.) but there hasn't been much talk on what we can do, besides the obvious not-supporting-scalpers.
     
    However, I propose we CAN help combat scalpers on eBay. You can do this by doing the following:
     
    1. Create 3 day auctions for brand new EVGA 3080s. Cancel the auction before it ends. (EDIT: Cancel before 12 hours left). This does not negatively affect your eBay Seller account and you can do this as many times as you would like. Bidders cannot leave feedback. Doing this will lower the overall profits of scalpers and bots. This will also discourage and dishearten those who support scalpers.

    2. Be the winning bidder on at least two EVGA 3080 cards at all times. Bid like crazy and when the dust settles and you win, do not pay. You can see this already happening on eBay right now with $30,000 and $50,000 auctions! eBay will allow you to have up to two unpaid item strikes on your account before they can technically limit your bidding abilities. Other than that, doing so does not affect your eBay account. This will delay the scalpers from actually selling and will allow time for nvidia and EVGA to replenish their stock.

    3. Report all listings that state the card will ship once they receive it. Selling things without expressly stating that the Seller "guarantee delivery within 30 days of purchase" is not allowed by eBay's policies. Any mentions of of conditions of sale or any extra buying requirements are also prohibited. You can read more about eBay's policies here:
     
    Together we can create a digital army to protect EVGA's image and help our fellow loyal EVGA customers! Please share your thoughts and concerns and take action to protect all EVGA 3080 and 3090 purchases!
     
    P.S. If you are a scalper or one who has paid for bot services, please preempt your post informing such. Thanks!
     
     




    You would need to create new dummy accounts. Non payment can result in your account being revoked. Creating a dummy account is easier to do on Ebay than you would think though. Proton mail can be helpful if anyone does want to mess with bots on a dummy Ebay account.
    There are fees to make a listing, you've clearly never sold on EBay. You can get a number of free listing per month, there a limits though and abuse of that will results in account termination.
    By Ebay's terms the scalpers are not doing anything against ToS. Sometimes mass reporting can flag accounts, so there is that maybe.

    Ebay makes too much money from seller fees from scalpers, it's probably one of their top sources of seller fee income. Ebay has 0 motivation to do anything to stop scalping.

    The scalpers have caught on to bid inflation and stopped posting auctions mostly so there has been a bit of progress. Overall Ebay will not be the way to stop scalpers.

    Getting people to realize there is 0 reason to buy from scalpers when there is more coming will be more effective.



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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 12:35:57 (permalink)
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    You would need to create new dummy accounts. Non payment can result in your account being revoked. Creating a dummy account is easier to do on Ebay than you would think though. Proton mail can be helpful if anyone does want to mess with bots on a dummy Ebay account.
    There are fees to make a listing, you've clearly never sold on EBay. You can get a number of free listing per month, there a limits though and abuse of that will results in account termination.
    By Ebay's terms the scalpers are not doing anything against ToS. Sometimes mass reporting can flag accounts, so there is that maybe.

     
    I'm not saying people need to go crazy. Just a little bit of action from your account will go a long way. I have over 150 items currently for sale. They all cost nothing to list each month as long as a payment isn't made. Even if you let a buyer get to the point where they can pay for an item, if you refund the Buyer, you don't pay any fees. I am nearing $90K in sales with over 1300 sale transactions in my 18 year history. I have gotten a pretty good handle on how Paypal and eBay does business.
     
    Intoxicus
    Ebay makes too much money from seller fees from scalpers, it's probably one of their top sources of seller fee income. Ebay has 0 motivation to do anything to stop scalping.

     
    This must be why eBay is actively deleting scalper listings completely off of their site.
     
    Intoxicus
    Getting people to realize there is 0 reason to buy from scalpers when there is more coming will be more effective.



    Yes, sounds great. Please describe your game plan. I have done mine.
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 14:20:54 (permalink)
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    Intoxicus
    You would need to create new dummy accounts. Non payment can result in your account being revoked. Creating a dummy account is easier to do on Ebay than you would think though. Proton mail can be helpful if anyone does want to mess with bots on a dummy Ebay account.
    There are fees to make a listing, you've clearly never sold on EBay. You can get a number of free listing per month, there a limits though and abuse of that will results in account termination.
    By Ebay's terms the scalpers are not doing anything against ToS. Sometimes mass reporting can flag accounts, so there is that maybe.

     
    I'm not saying people need to go crazy. Just a little bit of action from your account will go a long way. I have over 150 items currently for sale. They all cost nothing to list each month as long as a payment isn't made. Even if you let a buyer get to the point where they can pay for an item, if you refund the Buyer, you don't pay any fees. I am nearing $90K in sales with over 1300 sale transactions in my 18 year history. I have gotten a pretty good handle on how Paypal and eBay does business.
     
    Intoxicus
    Ebay makes too much money from seller fees from scalpers, it's probably one of their top sources of seller fee income. Ebay has 0 motivation to do anything to stop scalping.

     
    This must be why eBay is actively deleting scalper listings completely off of their site.


     
    Intoxicus
    Getting people to realize there is 0 reason to buy from scalpers when there is more coming will be more effective.



    Yes, sounds great. Please describe your game plan. I have done mine.



    The listing have been trolled by counter bots, that's why they're being pulled down most likely. Ebay's seller fees are charged based on the sale price. Ebay benefits a lot from inflated pricing.

    I don't have a game plan. The intent is to have a rational discussion that can help develop one. The starting point to do so is to establish what is objectively factual. So that's what I am attempting to do.

    What I can do is make content on my channel to explain why buying from scalpers is bad and should be avoided whenever possible. Sometimes the best you can do is set an example and lead by it. Sometimes it takes having conversations with people and being patient.

    What is your gameplan?

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 19:31:53 (permalink)
    Intoxicus
    What I can do is make content on my channel to explain why buying from scalpers is bad and should be avoided whenever possible. Sometimes the best you can do is set an example and lead by it. Sometimes it takes having conversations with people and being patient.

    What is your gameplan?



    That will work. Be sure to post links to you content so others can see what you've done and follow suit. Be sure to get the content up now, as scalping is happening now.
     
    I'm not sure if I can help you if you have no idea what my game plan is. The only suggestion I could offer is to read?
     
    I am troll bidding on several listings, flagging a minority of the listings that do not meet eBay's policies, and will not pay if I win. I am going to see how easy it is to register with eBay with a throwaway email address tonight so I can list fake cards.
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 20:18:42 (permalink)
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    Intoxicus
    What I can do is make content on my channel to explain why buying from scalpers is bad and should be avoided whenever possible. Sometimes the best you can do is set an example and lead by it. Sometimes it takes having conversations with people and being patient.

    What is your gameplan?



    That will work. Be sure to post links to you content so others can see what you've done and follow suit. Be sure to get the content up now, as scalping is happening now.
     
    I'm not sure if I can help you if you have no idea what my game plan is. The only suggestion I could offer is to read?
     
    I am troll bidding on several listings, flagging a minority of the listings that do not meet eBay's policies, and will not pay if I win. I am going to see how easy it is to register with eBay with a throwaway email address tonight so I can list fake cards.


    I don't want to be "that guy" self promoting my content. 
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    If you are troll bidding make sure to use a dummy account. Ebay can remove your account for failing to pay and that can suck. But it's also easy to make new and dummy accounts on Ebay, too easy in fact.

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 20:42:47 (permalink)
    Just wait it out. In a few weeks, the supply and demand will level out. Don't buy from scalpers and ask your friends to do the same. The scalpers won't succeed without buyers. 
     
    I got kind of hosed, bought a couple of 2080ti blower cards because the 2080ti FE's don't like being densely packed in a workstation. Didn't get the FE's listed on eBay fast enough. Will have to wait it out a little for demand to pickup. 
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 20:58:06 (permalink)
    Better to just code bots to do the dirty work.

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 21:00:44 (permalink)
    I know..

    Sing it fellas!

    Call 8675309, 8675309! 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 eoon.. I got it.. I got itt!

    I got the number on the walll..

    For a 3080, for a 3080... CALLlL!
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 21:58:30 (permalink)
    How about limiting purchases to 2 cards per shipping address and credit card per week, and adding a captcha to the checkout? That should stop a lot of bots and scalpers.
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/18 23:51:28 (permalink)
    AHowes
    I know..

    Sing it fellas!

    Call 8675309, 8675309! 8 6 7 5 3 0 9 eoon.. I got it.. I got itt!

    I got the number on the walll..

    For a 3080, for a 3080... CALLlL!



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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 00:13:08 (permalink)
    Give people with old GPU's who need to upgrade a purchase voucher.   I have a 1080 I need to replace.    If you have a 2080 ti and your buying a card before me I have to ask **** are you doing. 
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 00:13:34 (permalink)
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    Sing it fellas!



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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 01:09:31 (permalink)
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    How about limiting purchases to 2 cards per shipping address and credit card per week, and adding a captcha to the checkout? That should stop a lot of bots and scalpers.



    Damn, talk about trolling! lol.
     
    larrysb
    Just wait it out. In a few weeks, the supply and demand will level out. Don't buy from scalpers and ask your friends to do the same. The scalpers won't succeed without buyers. 

     
    The issue isn't people that do wait, it's those that pay the scalpers. Doing everything you can to discourage the practice helps.
     
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 09:14:35 (permalink)
    delicieuxz
    How about limiting purchases to 2 cards per shipping address and credit card per week, and adding a captcha to the checkout? That should stop a lot of bots and scalpers.


    As I keep repeating there were such limitations in place.
    It did not stop bots.
    Captcha was in place. 
    It did not stop bots.

    The systems need a fundamental reworking.

    Anything people can do, people can undo.
    Which is why I'm coming to believe in person purchasing is the way to beat bots. There will still be scalping, but it will be greatly reduced with in person purchases only.



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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 09:16:23 (permalink)
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    Better to just code bots to do the dirty work.



    I had suggested people try and find counter bots to out bot the bots.
    Someone wrote this for Nintendo Switch purchases already.

    Who is going to code the counter bot bot that only buys one and will refuse to buy more than one?
    Maybe I need to get back to coding, which I have not done since high school?

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 09:17:58 (permalink)
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    Give people with old GPU's who need to upgrade a purchase voucher.   I have a 1080 I need to replace.    If you have a 2080 ti and your buying a card before me I have to ask **** are you doing. 


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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 11:43:08 (permalink)
    My 1080 went EOL way before your card did.
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 12:04:15 (permalink)
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    How about limiting purchases to 2 cards per shipping address and credit card per week, and adding a captcha to the checkout? That should stop a lot of bots and scalpers.


    As I keep repeating there were such limitations in place.
    It did not stop bots.
    Captcha was in place. 
    It did not stop bots.

     
    So, they need to get a better captcha. If necessary, they can email customers a unique captcha code that customers need to input on the site to continue with the checkout process, with graphics cards not being reserved in a person's checkout cart until they've completed that captcha. That should instantly do away with all fully-automated checkouts. They could even implement a randomized 'quote the 3rd word in the 2nd sentence of your email' type of captcha, or a 'how many wings does a bird have?' type of captcha.
     
    Having properly-implemented limitations in place (with the system checking billing address, shipping address, and payment information to find redundancies, in combination with a purchase limitation) would cut-down on bots and scalping. It would limit system abusers to people who have a large number of billing (matching their payment method's information) and shipping addresses - which, I'd guess, the large majority of scalpers don't.
    post edited by delicieuxz - 2020/09/19 12:11:32
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 12:07:48 (permalink)
    I'll just drop this here for some perspective.
     


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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 12:11:56 (permalink)
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    How about limiting purchases to 2 cards per shipping address and credit card per week, and adding a captcha to the checkout? That should stop a lot of bots and scalpers.


    As I keep repeating there were such limitations in place.
    It did not stop bots.
    Captcha was in place. 
    It did not stop bots.

    The systems need a fundamental reworking.

    Anything people can do, people can undo.
    Which is why I'm coming to believe in person purchasing is the way to beat bots. There will still be scalping, but it will be greatly reduced with in person purchases only.




    Annnnd.... this will never happen simply due to cost. Human interaction cost a lot of $$$$ compared to simply clicking. Other than maybe a perception of fairness in buying, AKA 'Goodwill', it gives no advantage to EVGA and increases their overhead dramatically. I used to get paid big bucks to annoy folks with the fallout from a position or lane they decided to run in.
     
    "Getting people to realize there is 0 reason to buy from scalpers when there is more coming will be more effective."
     
    Good luck with changing human behavior. Nobody ever has been able to put a dent in this pattern since the beginning of time.
    post edited by HeavyHemi - 2020/09/19 12:19:59

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 18:24:42 (permalink)
    It is hard to convince people not to support scalpers and it is hard to stop the scalpers from buying the cards. There is just one angle of attack left, discourage the actual ability of scalpers to easily sell online to the buyers.
     
    Implement the technical measures to try and make scalper purchases harder, educate and sedate the buyers, and reduce the mechanisms for online scalp sales. Do of these what you are in the position to do.
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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 18:36:07 (permalink)
    Or, you know, have adequate supply before releasing a product, which renders scalping virtually pointless.

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    Re: How The EVGA Community Can Combat Scalpers and BOTS!! JOIN US! 2020/09/19 18:38:07 (permalink)
    There's already a guy dedicated to boosting up the auction sales to a number that's not realistic, so the cards won't sell.

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