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2020/01/20 02:08:12 (permalink)
Think I have messed up the liquid metal applying, likely to thin a layer. What idle temps should I be looking for on a 7920X? idles at around 31c while it clocks at 1.2 on desktop. Overclocked to 4.7 so far and realbench hits 105c, three cores go way higher than the rest. Cinebench R15 even hits 93c, do you think my assumptions are correct?

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 02:44:47 (permalink)
I don't know what the temp IDLE for 7920X but my is 8086k running IDLE at 25c and full load at 70ish 1.385v with Delid of course!! 
Maybe it silly question to ask you...Did you use Thermal pasta on top the heatsink of CPU as well? that maybe cause too hot without thermal pasta? Or you put too much volt for CPU core?
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 02:49:34 (permalink)
Yeah, horrible load temps, yikes!..Idle temps should be at or near ambient.
 
Pump and fans running at 100 percent?..Did you apply the liquid metal (what kind?) to both the IHS and the cooler cold plate, and also on the inside of the IHS and on the CPU die, or did you go direct-die?..Too much Vcore like Coolmistry said?

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 02:52:03 (permalink)
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Think I have messed up the liquid metal applying, likely to thin a layer. What idle temps should I be looking for on a 7920X? idles at around 31c while it clocks at 1.2 on desktop. Overclocked to 4.7 so far and realbench hits 105c, three cores go way higher than the rest. Cinebench R15 even hits 93c, do you think my assumptions are correct?




The liquid metal application is very picky, you for sure have to get the right amount or it will make things worse not better, the temps your are seeing is pretty high for the 7920X cpu if its done correctly. What voltages are you running the cpu at ?  CPU input voltage? CPU core voltage?   As far as some cores going higher then others that is normal.
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 02:58:11 (permalink)
+1 Bob and Sparetimepc 
I don't use left on Auto for CPU Core voltage it went too high voltage hit 1.475v I think (can't remember) running at 5.2 so try set to manual for core and Adaptive voltages! 

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 03:31:40 (permalink)
Here is pictures i just took of my 10940X at 4.9GHz on all 14/28 cores running the kombustor cpu burner.    Idle temps and then also a picture while the burner still running after 15 minutes at 100% load on all cores.  This is with a cpu input voltage of 1.9V and a cpu core voltage of 1.3V    Also using the Optimus Intel Signature V2 water block.
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:11:43 (permalink)
Wow, that's high
Chip will be waving bye bye pretty soon at those temps .
Why isn't it throttling back ?
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:20:20 (permalink)
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Wow, that's high
Chip will be waving bye bye pretty soon at those temps .
Why isn't it throttling back ?



Why would it throttle, its not close to throttle temps yet. Those temps are all 28 cores at 4.9GHz 100% load for 15 minutes.  Those are not bad temps at all for that type of stress in a cpu burn in test.  My 7980XE is still running strong after 3 years of this kind of usage, i'm not afraid !!!!    You can't scare me mister. 
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:26:49 (permalink)
105 C
Yea ok if you don't think that's hot .
Hottest my i9 9900ks gets is (which is a lot faster) ,which I can OC to 5.5 @ 1.435v and it hits 80 max but normally much below that ( 4.7 cache) .
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:32:38 (permalink)
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105 C
Yea ok if you don't think that's hot .
Hottest my i9 9900ks (which is a lot faster) , I can OC to 5.5 @ 1.435v and it hits 80 max but normally much below that ( 4.7 cache) .



Oh you were making that comment to the original poster i thought you were making it to my response and photos, need to clarify a bit better. my bad. Yes his temps are very high. 




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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:33:37 (permalink)
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Realbench hits 105c

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:35:59 (permalink)
Sorry .
His temps are too high .
Be lucky if it lasts a day at those temps.
I still don't understand how that chip is not throttling or shutting down his pc ???
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:41:04 (permalink)
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Sorry .
His temps are too high .
Be lucky if it lasts a day at those temps.
I still don't understand how that chip is not throttling????

+1 but the CPU will throttle back once it hits a thermal barrier

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 04:42:16 (permalink)
Thermal barrier should be below 100C ???
My point is , it's not throttling.
It should never get to those temps (105C)
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 05:23:58 (permalink)
If CPU Thermal Control is disabled in the BIOS (which it is not by default), then it will not throttle at PROCHOT (TjMax) temp but could continue until THERMTRIP temp is reached and shut down..Intel does not guarantee recovery from a THERMTRIP event.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 05:41:48 (permalink)
Used thermal grizzly and a copper IHS from rockitcool. And I did not forget paste on top.
High 30's idle, looks like I'll have to do it again. Thanks for confirming it is fudged.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 05:42:31 (permalink)
It doesn't sound like this dude has changed any thermal settings in BIOS .

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 05:49:07 (permalink)
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It doesn't sound like this dude has changed any thermal settings in BIOS .

What you on about, all voltages etc have been manually changed.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 07:04:32 (permalink)
I use the Noctua paste and as I write this I'm running 2 web pages and SETI at HOME.
SETI using all cores on my cpu (i9 7900X) and my temps for the cpu is 79 C to 85 C (over clocked to 4.6 GHz.).
Ide it's between 35-40 C.
My cpu has not been de-lidded.
If I over clock the cpu to 4.7 GHz the temps sometimes reaches over 90 C (too much for me).
I use the largest EVGA AIO (before the 360) on the cpu .
I use the automatic over voltage on the cpu and it's 1.143 to 1.225 (using HWmonitor).
Pull it apart and take a look.
 
 
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 12:26:46 (permalink)
With my voltage taken up to 1.435 and 5.5 , my ks will still throttle when coming under extreme load .
What you on about .
BTW your cooler is on right ?
Sounds like you had high temps before hence you de lidding it .
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 13:00:05 (permalink)
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With my voltage taken up to 1.435 and 5.5 , my ks will still throttle when coming under extreme load .
What you on about .
BTW your cooler is on right ?
Sounds like you had high temps before hence you de lidding it .

I'm only on 1.257, cooler is on fine, although the mounting pressure could be better. Anyway, the thread has confirmed that I'll need to do it again, thanks all.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 13:07:58 (permalink)
If your cooler is not tight enough you'll get excess heat .
If it's too tight , you risk damaging MOBO.
Last thing you want is bent pins on CPU socket .

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 13:41:36 (permalink)
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If your cooler is not tight enough you'll get excess heat .
If it's too tight , you risk damaging MOBO.
Last thing you want is bent pins on CPU socket .

You won't get bent pins from tightening the CPU too much...they're supported by the plastic in the socket not the pins.  The ILM presses the CPU onto the pins down to the plastic so it rests on the plastic.  I mean I guess you could smash it with a hammer so it would go past the support but at that point... anyway this is really not something you have to worry about under normal circumstances.
 
You could break the CPU die when you are delidded but that's a separate problem.
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 13:46:27 (permalink)
No , you are wrong .
I have done this myself and I bent the pins.
Cost me over 700 for a new MOBO .
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 13:53:27 (permalink)
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No , you are wrong .
I have done this myself and I bent the pins.
Cost me over 700 for a new MOBO .

Here is design sheet for 115x series socket.
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/4th-gen-core-lga1150-socket-guide.pdf
 
Page 25 has loading information.
 
2011-3/2066
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/guides/core-i7-lga2011-3-tmsdg.pdf
 
page 16
 
Even the best of engineers can't help if you put the cpu in wrong or drop it, etc.
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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 14:57:35 (permalink)
It was put in right, just overtightened .
I had temp issues with an i9 9900k and thought it would be a good idea to overtighten the cooler thinking it wasn't tight enough and that's why it was getting hot (100C)
Bad idea and hello new MOBO.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 23:13:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby random_matt 2020/01/21 02:22:52
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Think I have messed up the liquid metal applying, likely to thin a layer. What idle temps should I be looking for on a 7920X? idles at around 31c while it clocks at 1.2 on desktop. Overclocked to 4.7 so far and realbench hits 105c, three cores go way higher than the rest. Cinebench R15 even hits 93c, do you think my assumptions are correct?



My delidded 7920X @ 4.5GHZ / 1.15V temps w/ Liquid Metal:
 


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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/20 23:20:56 (permalink)
That's more like it

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/21 02:22:45 (permalink)
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Think I have messed up the liquid metal applying, likely to thin a layer. What idle temps should I be looking for on a 7920X? idles at around 31c while it clocks at 1.2 on desktop. Overclocked to 4.7 so far and realbench hits 105c, three cores go way higher than the rest. Cinebench R15 even hits 93c, do you think my assumptions are correct?



My delidded 7920X @ 4.5GHZ / 1.15V temps w/ Liquid Metal:
 



Really helpful, cheers.

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Re: Horrible temps. (Delid) (CLC 360) 2020/01/24 11:35:30 (permalink)
Ouch, permatex squeezed over capacitors and one got ripped from taking off IHS. Now a dud, thanks everyone nevertheless, I may just pick up a cheap 9820X while prices are low and call it day.   

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