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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 11:24:35 (permalink)
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yea?  I ordered the exact screw that G put down on the plans...

OH CR@P... I got the 6-32 ones then?!  I forgot we changed it to M3?!  argh! 

What was the screw part # from McMaster?  The original spec was 1.125" which I can go under being 25mm, or over being 30mm.  I like getting longer screws, and just grind off what gets in the way. 

Here is what I found:

Standard Thread—Black
M3—Pitch: 0.5 mm
30 100 91290A130 $8.76  

Type 316 Stainless Steel—DIN
912-A4
M3—Pitch: 0.5 mm
30 25 92290A126 $9.69  




the 30mm would be better, the 30mm ends 1/16th under the stock sr2 backplate when tightened down.. I did pm you the part #, lol
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 11:50:40 (permalink)
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I don't think it will matter in the least.  It would look SEXY AS HELL to have a mirror finish on all that copper though. 

Oh yeah...  Do I smell a 10% discount for the idea... 

Tell you what, if you want one, I will lap it for you.  Just because ;)
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 11:52:30 (permalink)
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the 30mm would be better, the 30mm ends 1/16th under the stock sr2 backplate when tightened down.. I did pm you the part #, lol

There were so many to search through I just ordered both anyway. 
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 11:54:06 (permalink)
Yeah I got the 30mm ones, and if you PM'd me, I might have lost it in the sea of messages that I had.  Sad part is that I have been looking to order new PSU wires from McMaster to cut to length and I was not even thinking of just making one big order instead of the 3 in succession.  They are probably going to think I am some crazy guy that will order one or two things at a time.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 12:16:33 (permalink)
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Tell you what, if you want one, I will lap it for you.  Just because ;)

  How much $$ are we talking for one? Do i have to wash dishes on this one, run some errands: like walk the dog, do laundry, wash the car, answer the Nateman_doo fan club mail?

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/07/21 12:23:17 (permalink)
I'm not 100% sure it will fit on a micro. nate may have a micro to test fit it on, but i designed it for the sr-2. looks like it will fit, but better check 1st.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/15 15:17:38 (permalink)
Cheers!!  Now to get the rest of the water cooling to go with these sexy things.
 

 

 

 

 

post edited by ajohnes2 - 2011/08/15 15:19:47
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/15 16:24:36 (permalink)
Nate I see you tried to hide that you may be doing some video card ones too hua? shame on you :P
 
HEHEHE yes I'll be wanting 4 of those at some point too to add to my chip-set and air/water block... then add in the hypnosis from Gratuitous and I think that's all my systems done custom copper. Let me know when your ready.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/15 18:01:30 (permalink)
I am cutting out the last block tonight (as I post this)
 
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/15 19:38:02 (permalink)
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Nate I see you tried to hide that you may be doing some video card ones too hua? shame on you :P

HEHEHE yes I'll be wanting 4 of those at some point too to add to my chip-set and air/water block... then add in the hypnosis from Gratuitous and I think that's all my systems done custom copper. Let me know when your ready.

The guy messaged me, but I haven't heard anything back.  Maybe I should send out a few PM's
 
BTW, both of Grat's DD blocks are cut.  Now to drill, tap, and finish them.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/16 20:26:12 (permalink)
awsome, my sr-2 will be very happy.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/19 21:10:12 (permalink)
I still have to tap them...
I need more hands.
 
I was planning on getting them done this weekend, but I have a full plate.  I will try my best though.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/19 23:37:45 (permalink)
no worries man, have a good weekend

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/21 06:22:26 (permalink)
The 4-40 holes are tapped. You said u had a countersink right?
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2011/08/21 22:04:02 (permalink)
yep, I have one.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/01/24 02:41:44 (permalink)
we are working on an update for this. should be really cool. going to integrate a bridge to v-reg and changing the bottom to the new dd m6! performance will be upgraded dramatically. prob 7 degrees or so. pics soon

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/17 21:41:10 (permalink)
First delrin top was cut tonight. Pics soon.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/23 07:31:26 (permalink)
UPDATES:
Delrin tops, bead blasted and polished to a perfect Satin matte finish:




And a super close up of the finish:

You can see the speck of dust on the right corner.  That's there for scale ;)
 
And of course, brilliant copper (Flash, and no flash)


 

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/23 09:44:07 (permalink)
Fine work!!!!

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/24 08:06:09 (permalink)
I want one. I have a TDX block that I would like to convert to 2011.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 19:49:36 (permalink)
Can do.  Send me a PM.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 20:04:38 (permalink)
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I admit that I have not read through this thread -- so maybe it was already answered.  Why is the input fitting not centered over the impingement pins like the original design used?
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 21:54:58 (permalink)
it was designed to allow ANY compression fitting to work, which is not the case for the original top. also I noticed no diferance in temps due to not having it centered. the flow still is directed through all the pins. when you actually get down to the physics on the issue, once the loop stabalizes in temp, it is really only pressure and surface area and flow rate that matter on the fluid flow side of things. where it could use improvement is in the actual base design. this is not the top performing block. it works as good as it originally did if not slightly better but it looks a heck of a lot better and matches the copper look. we are working on a top for the newer dd block which was tested to work as well as the top blocks from ek and others by independant testing. I didnt actually run any hydrodynamic solid works analisis because this is not really meant for mass production. I would bet that when I pulled it slightly off center, it decreased the dead spot and actually increased flow through the surface area. when and if I design an entire base block I would certainly do all of that, but at this point why re-invent the wheel.
 
I designed this top to use bases I already had in posession and use them on my sr-2 for folding 24/7 with my x5672 chips. what makes the most differance in temps is having enough flow rate and enough radiator to cool the water. it has no problem pulling the heat from the chip to water. if a 3-4 degree diferance is important to you then the new design we are working on with the new basses will do that. but you have to pull the heat from the water properly by having enough rad to do that with any block.
post edited by Gratuitous - 2012/02/26 22:21:11

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 22:37:25 (permalink)
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 when you actually get down to the physics on the issue, once the loop stabalizes in temp, it is really only pressure and surface area and flow rate that matter on the fluid flow side of things.

Yes, I agree for the most part.  I can't really argue without actually bench testing the block, but I was wondering if the placement on the outside edge would cause the majority of the flow to favor going out the side and around the impingement pins instead of flowing through the pins.  Sure surface area matters, but if the greater part flows around the outside to avoid the section of high surface area, you see that it might negatively affect cooling.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 22:56:14 (permalink)
this is not my testing and I cant tell you that this is what happens with this block top but watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6A0LboUEVA&feature=autoplay&list=UUmrRKpACHC9wOZ--hTYbD9g&lf=plcp&playnext=4
you can see what happens when the flow is centered like the original top. i think having it offset reduces the deadspot. but it really doesnt matter what I think, it does the job and compressions fit:) if I get some time I will model it for you.
 
really as long as water can't stagnate in the hot center area then you are good. I can't see how water would stagnent there unless you had really low flow.
post edited by Gratuitous - 2012/02/26 23:01:05

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 22:56:57 (permalink)
Here is a quick drawing.
 

 
In the top half of that quick drawing, I am showing how I figure the flow is going through the block currently.  I figure the area in red is getting little amount of the fluid flow and the majority of the flow is going around the outside.  In the bottom half of that drawing, I propose that you add a step on each side of the outside of the circumference to force the fluid to flow through all the impingement pins and better absorb the heat.  Of course the 'steps' / 'baffles' (whatever you want to call them) wouldn't be as dramatic as in that drawing.
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 23:06:01 (permalink)
yah, thanks for the visual. what you suggest might make a real minor differance. tbh though I am done with this top and moving my design ideas to a newer base with more potencial for heat removal.
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/01/21/i7-2600k-danger-den-m6-cpu-block-preview/4/ 
  
this top/base worked fine but i think the new system I am working on will work better especialy as we go to 8 and 10 core xeons later this year.
this top was designed to allow compressions to fit and visual improvemnets. as long as it worked thrermaly as good as the old top, which it does I was happy with it.
 
nate may want to experiment a little idk, but for me its not worth the time on the old base when I have a new one to design for.
 
 
oh, and btw the whole reason I added the extrusion to the inside of the top was to allow for jet plates to experiment with. I didnt ever have the time to make any though and based on the performance I didnt feel the need to.
post edited by Gratuitous - 2012/02/26 23:20:40

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/26 23:22:59 (permalink)
btw. thank you for the input. I value that and it makes me realize I need to do the thermodynamic analisis on the next one to verify what is happening. thanks man.

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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/02/27 12:33:41 (permalink)
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I admit that I have not read through this thread -- so maybe it was already answered.  Why is the input fitting not centered over the impingement pins like the original design used?

btw, its 3 pages - not like 300 of the G.I.C thread... 
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Re:Home made Danger Den MC-TDX replacement Copper top 2012/09/06 09:58:01 (permalink)
Sad, I think I may have just made the last 2 of these blocks.  I think the places I get them from have sold out.  Don't see DD making anymore of these.
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