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2017/03/21 19:01:11 (permalink)
I have recently purchased an EVGA GTX 1080 FTW Hybrid. I got the card installed and added two Corsair SP120 PWM High Performance Static Pressure fans for a push/pull config. Sitting at my desktop writing this my GPU temp is sitting at 48C with a 1721 Clock(this is the base clock). I am not sure why the browser is forcing the GPU to clock at full speed, causing the temps to rise. 

I have attached a photo of my setup in hopes I can get some guidance or assistance again. 

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 19:47:25 (permalink)
    Disabling hardware acceleration inside your browser will fix the high clock issue when using your web browser.
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 19:58:34 (permalink)
    Thank you for that information. I have since disabled the hardware acceleration. Now my clock is running at 1215 with a temperature of 43C. I know when I was gaming yesterday, I saw temps of 65C with this card. When I exited the game, the temps sat above 50C for 15 minutes and was not showing any signs of cooling down before I turned the system off. 

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 20:14:46 (permalink)
    After rebooting your computer & opening your gpu monitoring utility what does your gpu clock read?
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 20:26:01 (permalink)
    If your gpu is still reading 1215 after rebooting your computer...
     
    Here are the top causes of why a GPU would run at full clocks at idle...
     
    #1 You're running multiple monitors. Fix: Enable mutil display power saver using nvidia inspector.
    #2 Your machine has a virus. Fix: Scan computer using malwarebytes.
    #3 One or more programs running in the background are using your GPU. Fix: Perform a clean boot of windows.
    #4 Power management mode inside the nvidia control panel is set to prefer maximum performance. Fix: Set power management mode to adaptive then reboot your computer.
    #5 Running a resolution of 2560x1440 @ 144Hz. Fix: Change refresh rate to 120Hz.
    #6 K-Boost is enabled inside Precision X. Fix: Disable K-Boost.
    #7 Shadowplay is enabled inside geforce experience. Fix: Disable shadowplay inside geforce experience OR completely uninstall geforce experience from your machine (highly recommended)
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 20:42:28 (permalink)
    I have three monitors, 2x ASUS VG248QE(one Display Port, one DVI-D) and a Samsung 27' generic. I used the nvidia inspector to set the multi display power saver. The temps on the GPU being 37 while idle, is that normal? I know there are alot of factors to consider for that question. However, the part mentioning the temps not dropping after exiting a game, is that normal or should I be worried?

    Thank you in advance for your assistance. 

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 20:54:30 (permalink)
    The temps you're getting (37c idle/65c load) are fine for a air cooled card. Since your card is on water it should be idling in the 20's and loading in the 50's. The temps should drop after exiting games as long as the gpu isn't running at full clocks after exiting the game.
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 20:57:33 (permalink)
    OKay, just wanted to check. First time getting such a card, want to make sure no mistakes are made. Currently, I am watching twitch, getting temps at 36C, with a clock of 253 Mhz. 

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 21:28:08 (permalink)
    my 1070 ftw hyrbid idles about 29-33c ish depending how long it has been on or how long i have been gaming/and ifs its summer or winter. How are your load temps after the fix? 65 seems pretty high for a push pull config hybrid card. the 36cidle doesn't sound to crazy with the cpu aio resivor as the main front intake and if you have warmer ambient temps like me
    post edited by demon09 - 2017/03/21 21:30:45
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 21:39:44 (permalink)
    I just ran the First Strike benchmark and got the following results.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18763086

    The load temps still reached ~60C. That was with the side panel off as well.

    I am in Utah. We are not warm, outside we reached 70 F and I have had my window open for a week or more so I know my room temp is close to outside temps, minus when I am here and using the computer, etc.
     

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/21 22:18:28 (permalink)
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    I just ran the First Strike benchmark and got the following results.

    http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18763086

    The load temps still reached ~60C. That was with the side panel off as well.

    I am in Utah. We are not warm, outside we reached 70 F and I have had my window open for a week or more so I know my room temp is close to outside temps, minus when I am here and using the computer, etc.
     


    what kind of rpm are the fans running at?as 60c seems pretty toasty for a hybrid card. also from utah here but  less north . I can't wait for my 1XX°f days in a row for my summer. Your cards could have a slightly bad factory thermal paste job, or an air bubble hindering performance. How long have you had the card?
    post edited by demon09 - 2017/03/22 00:51:56
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 05:52:32 (permalink)
    It looks like your only intake fans are on your CPU AIO cooler at the front of your case (I can't see the fans, but I am assuming intake).
     
    The AIO radiator is very restrictive.  You are probably starving the system for air.
     
    Reduce the speed of the top 2 exhaust fans.
     
    Increase the speed of the CPU AIO intake fans.
     
    Increase the speed of your GPU AIO exhaust fans.
     
    If this helps, consider doing push/pull on your CPU AIO intake fans to provide more air flow with lower noise.
     
    I run 2 AIO modded onto Titan X Pascal cards.  These have never seen above 45 C...and I live in Florida!
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 06:26:31 (permalink)
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    It looks like your only intake fans are on your CPU AIO cooler at the front of your case (I can't see the fans, but I am assuming intake).
     
    The AIO radiator is very restrictive.  You are probably starving the system for air.
     
    Reduce the speed of the top 2 exhaust fans.
     
    Increase the speed of the CPU AIO intake fans.
     
    Increase the speed of your GPU AIO exhaust fans.
     
    If this helps, consider doing push/pull on your CPU AIO intake fans to provide more air flow with lower noise.
     
    I run 2 AIO modded onto Titan X Pascal cards.  These have never seen above 45 C...and I live in Florida!


    +1
     
    Your PC is set with Negative pressure.  2 fans in and 4 fans exhaust + Graphics card is an exhaust
     
    With side panel off as in your pic what temps do you get ?
     
    Your room temps is  70 F ?
     
    Additionally I wonder if your getting good circulation in your AIO with the hoses on the top of radiator.  Air sucked into pump makes noise because of cavitation and coolant all but stops flowing.

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 07:52:50 (permalink)
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    It looks like your only intake fans are on your CPU AIO cooler at the front of your case (I can't see the fans, but I am assuming intake).
     
    The AIO radiator is very restrictive.  You are probably starving the system for air.
     
    Reduce the speed of the top 2 exhaust fans.
     
    Increase the speed of the CPU AIO intake fans.
     
    Increase the speed of your GPU AIO exhaust fans.
     
    If this helps, consider doing push/pull on your CPU AIO intake fans to provide more air flow with lower noise.
     
    I run 2 AIO modded onto Titan X Pascal cards.  These have never seen above 45 C...and I live in Florida!


    +1
     
    Your PC is set with Negative pressure.  2 fans in and 4 fans exhaust + Graphics card is an exhaust
     
    With side panel off as in your pic what temps do you get ?
     
    Your room temps is  70 F ?
     
    Additionally I wonder if your getting good circulation in your AIO with the hoses on the top of radiator.  Air sucked into pump makes noise because of cavitation and coolant all but stops flowing.




    +1
     
    Good point with the GPU AIO radiator hoses being on the top.  The mounting instructions want them to be on the bottom or on the side.  You should flip your GPU AIO radiator 180 deg!
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 07:56:20 (permalink)
    Thank you guys for the replies. The temps with the side panel off with the config in the picture were at ~63C while playing H1 on Ultra @ 1080p. The card I purchased on 03/14/2017. It is fairly new still.

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:16:13 (permalink)
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    It looks like your only intake fans are on your CPU AIO cooler at the front of your case (I can't see the fans, but I am assuming intake).
     
    The AIO radiator is very restrictive.  You are probably starving the system for air.
     
    Reduce the speed of the top 2 exhaust fans.
     
    Increase the speed of the CPU AIO intake fans.
     
    Increase the speed of your GPU AIO exhaust fans.
     
    If this helps, consider doing push/pull on your CPU AIO intake fans to provide more air flow with lower noise.
     
    I run 2 AIO modded onto Titan X Pascal cards.  These have never seen above 45 C...and I live in Florida!




     
     
    The above person is the reason I am here on the forums again. I tend to be here when I get new equipment. 

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:18:03 (permalink)
    The first thing to try would be to flip the GPU radiator so that the hoses come out the bottom.
     
    There is air in your AIO system...it has to have it.  The air bubbles will rise to the highest point in the system.  When you mount the radiator so that the hoses are on the bottom, the air bubbles stay in the radiator and do not circulate through the cooling loop.  Hence, more heat transfer from the GPU to the coolant.
     
    If you mount the radiator with the hoses on the side, you must have the radiator output hose (i.e. the one that feeds the AIO pump) on the bottom so that it is always sucking in coolant.  If this hose is on the top, it will suck air sometimes due to air bubbles.
     
    The second thing to try would be to increase the fan speed on your intake (assuming intake) fans on your CPU AIO radiator to get more air into your case.
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:21:49 (permalink)
    I will re-mount the GPU Rad tonight when I get home from work. The fans on the CPU AIO are indeed Intake. Your assumptions are correct there. I will also check to see if the top exhaust fans are connected to somethign I can control the speed on.
     

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:25:20 (permalink)
    You also say, you have air in your system, like it is the worst thing. I know that air in a cooling loop is not good by any means.  :D Just makes me wonder.

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:33:27 (permalink)
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    You also say, you have air in your system, like it is the worst thing. I know that air in a cooling loop is not good by any means.  :D Just makes me wonder.




    All closed loop liquid systems have air...even the cooling system on your car...even the brakes on your car.
     
    The nice thing about the AIO systems is that you do not have to bleed them.  With the radiator mounted properly, the pump on the GPU AIO block will eventually remove the air from the coolant loop (i.e. it will "settle" in the top part of the radiator).
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:38:11 (permalink)
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    You also say, you have air in your system, like it is the worst thing. I know that air in a cooling loop is not good by any means.  :D Just makes me wonder.




    All closed loop liquid systems have air...even the cooling system on your car...even the brakes on your car.
     
    The nice thing about the AIO systems is that you do not have to bleed them.  With the radiator mounted properly, the pump on the GPU AIO block will eventually remove the air from the coolant loop (i.e. it will "settle" in the top part of the radiator).




     
    Thank you for the response there. That makes me feel better. I will have to get some new fans for the front AIO to complete the push/pull. Sadly, the last two fans will have to use the motherboard connectors as the Corsair H100iv2 does not have the connections for a push/pull config. Only one Y-connector for two 4-pin PWM fans with additional port on the pump itself.

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:44:53 (permalink)
    Just check the current draw of the fans.  Most motherboard headers (and the header on the H100iV2) are limited to 1 A of current draw.
     
    You can purchase a PWM splitter cable that will allow you to drive multiple fans off a single fan header.
     
    If the max current rating for all 4 fans adds up to more than 1 A, you have to split it.  (Even if you won't be running at full speed, you should split it...the fans will draw max current when they first get power.)  If you have to split it, split the fans in a push/pull pair, vs having the "front" fans on one header, and the "back" fans on another header.
     
    I wouldn't do the push/pull yet...see if mounting the radiator properly and increasing the intake fan speed helps.
     
    When you put fans in push/pull, the total CFM stays the same...however the static pressures add.  This is why you can get more airflow through at a lower fan speed.  (The CFM rating of the fan is with 0 static pressure - in open air.  The static pressure on the fan is with 0 air flow - mounted to a solid surface.  A radiator is somewhere in between these two extremes.  You can do the physics yourself if you are interested...google "PQ Curves")
     
    Good luck!
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/22 08:52:07 (permalink)
    Thank you for that information. I will definitely check into the fan configuration some more later on this evening. Work, the joy of life. :( *sigh*

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 08:06:40 (permalink)
    I flipped both radiators so the hoses are at the bottom when the computer is up right. I ran the FutureMark FireStrike benchmark.

    One benchmark gave me 6k(We all know this is poop) due to the graphics having issues right at the end. Was weird to see that. The CPU temperatures came down by 30 C, which is nice. The GPU still ran at a clock of 2025 and peaked at 63C.

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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 08:10:55 (permalink)
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    I flipped both radiators so the hoses are at the bottom when the computer is up right. I ran the FutureMark FireStrike benchmark.

    One benchmark gave me 6k(We all know this is poop) due to the graphics having issues right at the end. Was weird to see that. The CPU temperatures came down by 30 C, which is nice. The GPU still ran at a clock of 2025 and peaked at 63C.
    firestrike is usually CPU bound If you ran time spy which is much more GPU intensive that would probably be where the big CPU temp drop came from.I would ask EVGA support directly about your temps as they seem high for a hybrid GPU.
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 08:26:39 (permalink)
    My CPU would not push the physics test beyond 35 FPS, not sure what that was about fully but yeah. 

    I have sent in a ticket to EVGA Support. Hopefully all goes well. I really will be upset if I am get stiffed. Doubt I will get stiffed but yeah. 
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 09:18:19 (permalink)
    It's good that you are seeing some positive results.
     
    Most AIO cooling solutions have a delta T of around 20 C or so.  Assuming the GPU AIO is working properly, the means that your internal case temperature is around 45 C if you are getting 65 C for a GPU temperature.  45 C is too hot for internal case temperature (i.e. your RAM and hard drives will be running hotter than this.)
     
    Do you have access to some sort of device to measure the temperature of the air inside of your case?  (Be careful if it's a thermocouple, as these are conductive and can damage your PC if the metal touches components in the case.)
     
    Did you run any experiments with high fan speeds on your intake fans?
     
    I would suggest running some sort of quick test matrix to find out where you sit:
     
    1. Intake fan speed 1 = 25%
    1a. Set GPU AIO fan speed to 25%, run benchmark, record GPU temp
    1b. Set GPU AIO fan speed to 50%, run benchmark, record GPU temp
    1c. Set GPU AIO fan speed to 75%, run benchmark, record GPU temp
    1d. Set GPU AIO fan speed to 100%, run benchmark, record GPU temp
     
    2. Intake fan speed 2 = 50%
    2a-d. Repeat GPU AIO fan speed from step 1
     
    3. Intake fan speed 3 = 75%
    3a-d. Repeat GPU AIO fans speed from step 1
     
    4. Intake fan speed 4 = 100%
    4a-d. Repeat GPU AIO fan speed from step 1
     
    You should see your GPU temp drop as you increase the fan speed on the radiator.  You will hit a point of "diminishing returns" (i.e. there probably will be little different between 75% and 100%).
     
    You should see your GPU temp drop as you increase the fan speed to the intake fans.  You will also hit a point of diminishing returns here as well.
     
    Once you have the diminishing return area for the GPU, you can optimize the fan speed for GPU temp and noise.
     
    The diminishing return "spot" for the GPU radiator fan should be about the same setting for different intake fan speeds.  You can then optimize the intake fan speed for GPU temp and overall system noise
     
     
    Another option for you to try is to see if you can fit 2 120 mm radiators in the front of your case.  I run a heavily overclocked 5820K processor, and 2 Titan X Pascal cards (250 W TDP versus the 180 W TDP of the 1080 FTW).  I modded the EVGA 1080 Hybrid cooler onto the 2 Titan cards.  I run the Corsair H80i V2 (the one with the thick 120 mm radiator).  I have all 3 of the 120 mm radiators as intake into the case (different case then you).
     
    The thick 120 mm H80i V2 as intake is a superior CPU cooling solution for me compared to the thin 280 mm H110i running as either exhaust or intake.  I was not expecting this.
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 09:39:59 (permalink)
    The GPU temp at idle is 30-33C. The CPU sits around or below that same range. I was honestly thinking about getting the H80iv2 myself as I could put the two other 120mm fans on the front as well. My case specs indicate it can hold 3 120 mm fans at the front.   

    I currently do not have a method to check temps inside the case. I am actually in the process of buying some thermal sensors to plug into my mobo so I can get some temperature monitoring of my choosing. 


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    Also, the temps I mentioned were with the side panel off. 
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 10:29:22 (permalink)
    If you are going to try 2 120 mm radiators in the front, you should do a "test fit" with your GPU radiator...the front of your case looks pretty tight.  The H80iV2 is thicker, and the radiator is a bit larger in the length and width dimensions.
     
    The radiator might fit the mounting pattern, but you might not have enough room on the front (i.e. window) and back for the H80iV2.  I used the drawings on the Corsair website.
     
    When I mounted mine, I put the cooling hoses on the side facing the window (with the "return" hose to the GPU pump on the bottom).
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    Re: High temps 2017/03/23 10:32:54 (permalink)
    I will do some of that testing today as well. I might stop by my local best buy to pick up that device. 

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