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If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time. Order more from the fabs.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 09:09:18
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Not affiliated to EVGA, but to their defense, managing a business isn't so simple. There is an idea of lead time, forecasting, product life-cycle, etc. For example, and this is just a guess, the lead time for a GTX 1080 TI could possibly be 2-3 months. Meaning, by the time EVGA buyers/manufacturers say they want 1000 units of GTX 1080 TI, it may take 2 months by the time they can sell those units. Lead time involves all of the following:
Ability of vendors to supply components
Time for vendors to ship components to EVGA warehouse
Time for EVGA to manufacture GPU
And so on.
So it's possible that due to the mining craze and shortage of stock, that EVGA has placed an order for additional units back in the beginning of December, and they are still waiting for those shipments to arrive. In addition, we all know Volta is coming soon. So there is a fear that if they stock up too on too many GPUs, and Volta is released, they may be left holding the bag with all of the overstock inventory.
So let's cut them some slack, shall we?
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 09:27:45
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cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
Thank you for your sound business advice. We will...take that under advisement.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 09:38:58
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EVGATech_LeeM
cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
Thank you for your sound business advice.
We will...take that under advisement.
Lol!!! Some people shouldn’t have access to the internet. Hey cloiselle, try buying from one of the other brands, I bet they already took your advice... or have you been running around to every forum posting this to prove how amazingly smarter you are than the others in the world? You really got this bidness thing figured out.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 09:58:34
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cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
EVGA doesn't order from 'the fabs' Mr. AIB 2018. Nvidia does.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 11:23:32
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So Crates
oh boy...here we go
It is just what the Forum has turned into.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 20:31:44
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cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
You do realize that lead time from the fabs, *IF THEY HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY*, tends to be measured in months? You do realize that every fab on the 14/16 nm node has been running FLAT OUT for their entire existence to date? You do realize that EVGA has to order GPUs from Nvidia, NOT from "the fabs"? You do realize that every NVidia GPU except for the 1050/1050ti and possibly the 1030 are all produced at ONE SPECIFIC FAB - TSMC, and that Nvidia doesn't have the OPTION of ordering them from anywhere else because GF has ZERO spare capacity due to it's long-standing contractual obligations to IBM and AMD (and AMD is probably overloading GF's capacity right now), they would have to do a complete redesign of the chips then PROVE the new design to come up with Samsung-produceable versions which would take quite a few months to a year (IF Samsung has any spare capacity, which is unlikely at this point), and Intel doesn't "sell out" it's spare capacity IF INTEL HAS ANY? Simple answers often fail when they run into real world facts.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 20:48:15
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QuintLeo
cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
You do realize that lead time from the fabs, *IF THEY HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY*, tends to be measured in months?
You do realize that every fab on the 14/16 nm node has been running FLAT OUT for their entire existence to date?
You do realize that EVGA has to order GPUs from Nvidia, NOT from "the fabs"?
You do realize that every NVidia GPU except for the 1050/1050ti and possibly the 1030 are all produced at ONE SPECIFIC FAB - TSMC, and that Nvidia doesn't have the OPTION of ordering them from anywhere else because GF has ZERO spare capacity due to it's long-standing contractual obligations to IBM and AMD (and AMD is probably overloading GF's capacity right now), they would have to do a complete redesign of the chips then PROVE the new design to come up with Samsung-produceable versions which would take quite a few months to a year (IF Samsung has any spare capacity, which is unlikely at this point), and Intel doesn't "sell out" it's spare capacity IF INTEL HAS ANY?
Simple answers often fail when they run into real world facts.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 21:03:17
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I can't reply to you because my account is too new. If you Google it, you should be able to find an explanation. Cheers
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/22 21:05:30
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So Crates
I can't reply to you because my account is too new. If you Google it, you should be able to find an explanation. Cheers
First I have Ever Seen it on this Forum. We just use a +1 or a  or  We learn something everyday. Top definition /thread This gets used on messageboards / forums to signify that the previous post (or a post that has been quoted) is either of such high standard / very useful and answers the question of the original post / owns someone that the thread cannot possibly contain any post that's better. But we may have taken this Thread Off Topic 
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 01:12:11
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The disturbing part to the present shortages is that some well-known e-tailers are selling these same 10-series cards at double the prices on this site, and are probably getting a lot of buyers.
It's crazy -- "a fool and his money are soon parted."
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 02:14:12
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Jesus,
Mods,
please, just close this thread already.
It will just be another pointless thread.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 06:16:56
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Jesus,
Mods,
please, just close this thread already.
It will just be another pointless thread.
I have been seeing a lot more of this on the Forum over the last 9 months or so and was hoping it would burst by now.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 09:14:32
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I don't know about closing the thread, but I do think we've all had a bit of fun at the OP's expense. I read the OP to be a bit sarcastic, and not entirely serious, so I think he's gotten a little bit more than he probably deserves here.
If you guys want to turn it into a bit of a more serious discussion, of course, this is certainly a topic that affects many people, businesses, and global markets. I'm sure this can turn into a more productive topic.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 09:52:56
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*Ahem* I definitely support boycotting ebay scalpers of ANYTHING. I waited for my notification from EVGA and snapped it up like a piranha on a dog's leg. And, one of the joys is that I deprived some hawker of about 700 dollars in ridiculous profit margin to buy oxycotin or whatever. Now, I need a new case to run these bambinos in SLIX3 plus a Threadripper processor for what I anticipate will be outstanding clarity and lag-free fun. Conventional cases blow air down at the tops of the cards (down being from top of card to pci-e base) but a server case, which I will be modifying, blows air through from front to back instead of trying to ram it through the motherboard, which I have found is not very productive. In fact, with enough cards, I could challenge the world record, especially with some esoteric cooling. When I went from a 750 to a 980, I was suddenly not cannon-fodder. I believe this will be an even bigger quantum leap in seeming invulnerability. Necessary, if one does not want to be fodder for the aimbot users.) Also, thanks, EVGA for selling to the little guy, and not ignoring us for the guys buying a containerload at a time. In fact, I dream of finding just how many SLI I can actually get away with. I know there are diminishing returns, but prettier girls are going to cost more to take on a date than Tonya the girl next door. I'd work two jobs to marry a dream girl, as opposed to working at McDonalds and accepting whatever. Ya feel me?
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 11:11:47
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Right on, dinicthis! LOL!
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 11:52:57
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I can't speak for EVGA but I'm sure they are producing as many cards as possible. Sadly it looks like miners are grabbing cards as fast as stock is received. This is despite the EVGA website having 1 item per household as a limit for the cards.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 12:48:12
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rjohnson11
This is despite the EVGA website having 1 item per household as a limit for the cards.
Yeah, and this does not prevent anything. You have plenty of options, friends, parents, po boxes, it just makes it harder that You have to make few orders instead of one thus giving a small window for others to buy. Then still you can write a script that will auto-buy if You prepare fake accounts earlier. Simple as that. Credit cards? We have prepaids. So yes, in my opinion this limit only makes it harder for gamers to build theirs sli systems. Like with antipiracy. IT makes life harder for honest people. Does not prevent piracy. And You have to find this sweet spot between security, availability, and making people happy...
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 12:56:10
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It does reduce sales to LARGE miners, the kind that like to order 100+ cards at a time. It's not something that can't be worked around though. For an extreme example of a major company being forced to work around a "sales limit" issue, https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/ Miners don't tend to have their level of available resources though.
post edited by QuintLeo - 2018/01/23 13:07:12
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 13:15:54
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10 series is nearing end of production life. EVGA and everyone else doesn't want to get stuck with old tech stock regardless of how hot it's selling today. I'm sure the entire industry is salivating over what they can charge for the newest tech while the great GPU shortage of 2018 is still in effect. Best advice is wait a few months then when the rush to dump 10 series snag some up at great prices while the newest is still going for outrage prices.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 14:13:29
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cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
Pretty smart insight.  Edit: Generally, the GPU-market is a mess atm.
post edited by Carbonshape - 2018/01/23 14:27:35
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 14:33:18
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QuintLeo
cloiselle1
If all of your graphics cards are sold out all of the time.
Order more from the fabs.
You do realize that lead time from the fabs, *IF THEY HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY*, tends to be measured in months?
You do realize that every fab on the 14/16 nm node has been running FLAT OUT for their entire existence to date?
You do realize that EVGA has to order GPUs from Nvidia, NOT from "the fabs"?
You do realize that every NVidia GPU except for the 1050/1050ti and possibly the 1030 are all produced at ONE SPECIFIC FAB - TSMC, and that Nvidia doesn't have the OPTION of ordering them from anywhere else because GF has ZERO spare capacity due to it's long-standing contractual obligations to IBM and AMD (and AMD is probably overloading GF's capacity right now), they would have to do a complete redesign of the chips then PROVE the new design to come up with Samsung-produceable versions which would take quite a few months to a year (IF Samsung has any spare capacity, which is unlikely at this point), and Intel doesn't "sell out" it's spare capacity IF INTEL HAS ANY?
Simple answers often fail when they run into real world facts.
Very informative post. Thanks for explaining things that most of us, mere consumers, "do not realize". Simple economy law teaches that if there a demand, supply needs to catch, or you'll lose the customer to someone else. But I can see that it's not EVGA specific problem, even though somehow their cards are always the hardest to get hands on.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/23 14:43:29
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Andrew_WOT
Very informative post.
Thanks for explaining things that most of us, mere consumers, "do not realize".
Simple economy law teaches that if there a demand, supply needs to catch, or you'll lose the customer to someone else.
But I can see that it's not EVGA specific problem, even though somehow their cards are always the hardest to get hands on.
This is what happens when you are the best in the business & all the hype! Not many other brands on either side of the GPU market offer what EVGA does, and EVGA has always pushed innovation when it comes to making their products stand out. [edit Cool GTX - fixed the quote, so it works correctly]
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/25 13:47:06
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QuintLeo
It does reduce sales to LARGE miners, the kind that like to order 100+ cards at a time.
It's not something that can't be worked around though.
For an extreme example of a major company being forced to work around a "sales limit" issue, https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze_drive_farming/
Miners don't tend to have their level of available resources though.
Not really when newegg calls them up and offers units right out of the latest shipment before even adding them into inventory.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/25 17:46:18
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When Newegg offers WHO units right out of the latest shipment?
Now that vorsholk has stopped his abuse, I'm returning to folding. I no longer MOO due to abuses by certain "whales" in the Gridcoin community - so I now work the Distributed.net project directly again.
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/25 18:13:23
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Tough balance for EVGA and others. Carry too much Inventory and get stuck if miners don't buy and gamers will purchase only at discount. Don't forget VOLTA cards are coming in 2-3 months... SAVE your $$..gonna be epic
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Re: Helpful hint to evga
2018/01/25 18:39:39
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What if the Volta cards only drives prices up more ?
Something else needs to be done
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