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First hope I’ve posted this in the right place as all my threads get moved!! Sorry mods xx

So bit of background about me and my experience with PC’s. For a decade I simply have not used PC’s as I’ve always had Mac’s for work, (and I mean I’ve not used a windows based machine period in that time) never owned a gaming pc or done any over-clocking before, but with that said, I understand computers and how they work, I studied electronic engineering at collage however went on to own and run my own Motorsport garage here in the uk. So my day job is building race engines/fabrication and allot of wiring. So I have good logic and patience to learn and understand new infomation.

I’m sharing this so you know your not wasting your time by helping me and if I ask a dumb question its because I have stuff to learn.

Saying that though I have done allot of research and worked out allot of what I want, but be nice if I can use this thread to build my machine and ask those silly questions all in one place and follow me through to the finish.

My goals are to build a machine that is very capable of running sim racing games, at the same time to be able to overclock and learn the basics of good practices while being water cooled. Everyone has to start somewhere and I would like to build this right first time.

This is what I have already bought so far...

16.07.2019 - Overclockers UK
•1x Lian-Li PC-011 Air midi tower - £146.69
TOTAL SPEND £146.69

16.07.2019 - Amazon Prime
•1x Samsung MZ-76E1T0B/EU 1 TB 860 EVO Sata III 64L V NAND SSD - £100.99
•2x Samsung MZ-V7E1T0BW 970 EVO 1 TB V-NAND M.2 PCI Express SSD - £129.45
TOTAL SPENT - £359.97

21.07.2019 - Amazon Prime
•1x i9 9900k Retail - £404.99
•1x EVGA G3 1000w PSU - £148.88
TOTAL SPEND £553.87

21.07.2019 - Amzon Prime
•Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4 3466 MHz C16 XMP 2.0 Enthusiast RGB LED Illuminated Memory Kit - Blalk £200.99
•Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO DDR4 Light Enhancement Kit (Without Built-In Memory) Enthusiast RGB LED Illuminated Memory Kit - Black £33.99
TOTAL SPENT £234.98

(Bought the dummy cards incase I run a quad dim slot board)

21.07.2019
•EVGA 2080 Ti Kingpin + hydro block £1330 (second hand, collected in person)
TOTAL SPEND £1330

TOTAL OVERALL SPEND TO DATE £2,625.51

Left to buy

- [ ] Water cooling
Want to know best quality coolers to buy, I’m thinking of 360mm X 60mm rad in the top of the case, 360mm x 40mm in side of the case and depending if I can ger one at the bottom too...

Also read D5 is the go to pump, which one is best?

Which fittings are the beet... shame I can’t use motorsport dash (AN) fittings as I have a workshop full of them things...

Was tempted to just run the water system into a massice copper race radiator I have and put loads of fans on it in the next room.. lol
- [ ] Motherboard (hopefully a z390 dark if they become available)

- [ ] Windows - no idea, do you still have to pay for this crap? Lol

- [ ] Cables? Any cables I’m missing?

- [ ] Thermal paste best thermal paste for cpu?

Questions

1. Do you think I’ve gone for the wrong case? I wanted something with good air flow but I bought the case before knowing I was going to buy a kingpin 2080 ti hydro copper attached, which I know will not fit in the case, it will need to be vertical mounted which makes me loose a rad location, unless I mod the case.

Really like the case, like the fact its wide with psu at the back, loads of airflow too.

2. GPU, if I had planned for the Kingpin, I would have bought a larger psu, 1000w pushing it? Think I can run dual psu in case, should I do that? Or will I be ok with watercooling.

3.best water system, best pump, fittings, surgestions please. Is there flow meters and alarms I can fit for bad pump? Duel pump for redundancy? Very best water block for cooling, don’t care abour rgb crap.

4. Fans - I want to run best fans I can, looked at the Noctua NF-A12x25 (12 of them) if they where black I would have already ordered them, not sure if I want **** looking colours in my build, alternatives?

5. was going to de-lid cpu, is it worth it on an I9 9900k? Going to see more than 8-10c thermal drop?

I will post pictures as I go and as more questions, I appreciate all help and guidance and look forward to building this and seeing the results.

Thanks!
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/27 03:59:03 (permalink)
    For Windows you can buy keys off the internet.
     
    For the water cooling questions I'll let others answer as I'm definitely no expert. 

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/27 04:03:53 (permalink)
    Thanks, I saw that you could buy it like that, however didn’t know if that was legit or doggy, seems you can buy it for £10 or like £150 lol 😂
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/27 06:26:57 (permalink)
    Have you done research on custom water cooling yet?  If not, have a look at this video and some of the links below.


     
    Here are some great guides from EK. (Based in EU)
     
    You could always go AIO and keep it simple and maintenance free and still have liquid cooling even though not as good as custom liquid cooling or you could stick it out with custom and go all out. 

    That case is a bit tight but can be done.  I would google search that case with terms like "custom liquid cooling" and the likes to see what others have done.  There should be some custom reservoirs that can be installed to make the case/loop pop aesthetically if you're interested but first, get the basics down first and go from there.  

    If you're looking to DYI some rads or fittings, I don't see why not as long as you're not mixing aluminum to a copper/brass loop.  The standard threaded ports are G 1/4.
     
    As for being in the UK, there are quite a few of the big players in the custom liquid cooling world based in the EU.  EK, Alphacool and Aquacomputer come to mind.  You could go all EK or mix and match if you'd like just remember again, to steer away from aluminum because EK has some aluminum kits they warn not to mix with the rest.  Just a heads up but that shouldn't be an issue me thinks.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/27 07:18:39 (permalink)

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/27 07:32:11 (permalink)
    Thanks, Yes don't my pc specific water cooling research and my issues Is more with that's the best to buy, I know what rads I want and I was going to go EK, so it was just pump really, but just wanted to know what the best fittings where (understand the sizes etc)  I.e most reliable. 
     
    I understand not to mix metals (without inhibitors) same as cars basically, but again, best CPU block for the money, that's a matter of opinion that I'm hoping people can help me with.
     
    Is there pressure sensors I can install? I see there is cheap flow meters and such, but a way to set and alarm that can trigger a shut down before thermal shutdown happens...  I will walk away from this PC allot, so I need to know if it springs a leak it shuts off and doesn't kill itself.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/28 12:42:23 (permalink)
    Due to poor power supply to my work place, I need to think about a UPS, so what VA rating should I go for? 1500va is rated at 1000w, will that be enough?

    Looking at the APC Smart-connect 1500.

    Got a rack mounted APC on site for cctv and servers, but don’t want to link into that as its security etc, so need to buy something for just protecting the PC, even for a few mins to allow shut down etc.

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/28 14:44:18 (permalink)
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    Thanks, Yes don't my pc specific water cooling research and my issues Is more with that's the best to buy, I know what rads I want and I was going to go EK, so it was just pump really, but just wanted to know what the best fittings where (understand the sizes etc)  I.e most reliable. 
     
    I understand not to mix metals (without inhibitors) same as cars basically, but again, best CPU block for the money, that's a matter of opinion that I'm hoping people can help me with.
     
    Is there pressure sensors I can install? I see there is cheap flow meters and such, but a way to set and alarm that can trigger a shut down before thermal shutdown happens...  I will walk away from this PC allot, so I need to know if it springs a leak it shuts off and doesn't kill itself.


     
    Ok perfect.  Just had to add it out there since I'm not 100% sure what the other party has done in researching.
     
    Ok so you can go about this in different ways so bare with me.  EK are good rads to go with.  EK fittings are fine as well but I personally like Bitspower. 
     
    As for sizing, I use the biggest size (1/2 x 3/4) possible.  From experience, it makes it feel super tight on compression fittings but I have contemplated on going to a smaller size for ease of use because these big guys can be a pain on my hands to work with when it comes to maintenance, upgrading and troubleshooting.  Again, up to you or some others from the smaller sizes can chime in.
     
    For pumps, I'd stick with the EK D5 G2 pump(s).  I use two of them in serial for the needed extra pumping power as I'm able to get 1.0 GPM @ 90% PWM signal.  (Efficient flowing loop should run between 0.8-1.5GPM)  So I just barely make it but than again, I have a complex loop with lots of bends and rads.
     
    Here's a quick shot of it for context.  (More rads and bends no visible in the picture.)
     

     
    As for CPU blocks, I've been using Swiftech CPU blocks for years but recently made the switch to Corsair's new CPU blocks.  I use Corsair's CPU block, RAM RGB kit and RGB fans to be all controlled by their iCue software.  The rest of the lightening is controlled by a controller called the Aquaero 6 + Farbwerks.  (Farberks are small devices connected to the AQ6 controller for lighting.)
     
    To get into more detail, the Aquaero 6 XT (Has a Display and is installed to the case's front bay or you can use the Aquaero LT w/out display and cheaper and can be planted anywhere inside the case if you'd like to hide it.) is a all in one controller that can be used for controlling pumps, Fans, Lighting, Flow Sensors, Temp Sensors, Delta Temps, Curves, Setting up alarms, etc.  So I use the AQ6 (Aquaero 6 for short) to control all my fans and pumps as well as monitor my air, water temp probes and flow meter as well as the lighting through the Aquasuite software.  Make no mistake, this is a whole other learning curve if you have the patience and time but once figured out, it's like nothing else on the planet.  Yes, other companies have similar things but this is far more stable and powerful.  Here's an amazing guide put together by someone if you'd like to learn more about it if you're interested in one.
     
    A shot the front of the case of the AQ6.  You can add different monitoring templates as well as your own custom graphic.  (No color, what you see is what you get.)



     

     
    superclarkey
    Due to poor power supply to my work place, I need to think about a UPS, so what VA rating should I go for? 1500va is rated at 1000w, will that be enough?

    Looking at the APC Smart-connect 1500.

    Got a rack mounted APC on site for cctv and servers, but don’t want to link into that as its security etc, so need to buy something for just protecting the PC, even for a few mins to allow shut down etc.

    Thoughts?


    This is the one I've been eyeing for my system. 

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/28 15:24:25 (permalink)
    @GTXJackBauer

    Thanks for the reply, nice looking machine.

    I would go for APC as I can get trade on it, so cheaper basically. But I just saw that the newer unit is only 900w, so really want to know if that will be enough. (I think it will be plenty unless I’m in an overclocking session lol)

    Biggest problem for me with bitspower is they seem to be really expensive to import, but they where the fittings I was looking at tbh.

    Does anyone know what pressure the fittings are rated at? 1bar?

    Pipe size, not put allot of thought into it as yet, but everyone talks of flow rate, and not much about pressure which confuses me, because in motorsport high flow with no pressure will cause issues, hence why we fit restrictors in the outlets to hold pressure up...

    I mean, the highest restriction place has to be the cpu block, so pressure is going to be higher between pump and cpu, then its got to be lifted to top rad (how I will be running it), so there is only the pressure of the lifting of the liquid into top rad, unless the return restriction to res is higher its not going to force liquid to fill a 60mm thick 360mm rad, because gravity is going to flow it back down etc... so my logic is a restrictor needs to be fitted on the outlet of top rad to hold pressure up and force liquid to every part of rad.

    Also the pump is syphoning so any pressure build up is going to be cancelled out.

    I.e flow is important but surely pressure is also important and no sensors seem to be available.

    I’m just applying logic from motorsport here 😂

    Regarding the 6xt, I’ll look into it now. I was thinking of using a datalogger and some sensors to monitor etc.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/28 15:55:22 (permalink)
    Is Aquacomputer the same brand? Are there pumps good and the eco-system as they seem to have allot of sensors that I was looking for.

    As for the screen have zero interest in that, whats the software actually like?

    Seems all cheap stuff is it good quality?
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/29 16:11:11 (permalink)
    Little update, been told motherboard should be with me next week :-) fingers crossed... 🤞

    While I’m waiting and looking at monitors, I have to say I’m really disappointed in the price of gaming monitors, I had no idea technology seems lacking? Guess I thought gaming monitors would be unreal a decade on from when I last had one! Lol seems compromises have to be made!

    My only experience now is for video editing and photography/printing, so always had accurate monitors for AdobeRGB coverage. I just sold BenQ SW271 4k monitor IPS panel, total dog****, worst IPS I’ve owned, couldn’t pass any colour grading whatsoever lol stay away from BenQ, customer service is terrible...

    I’m now regretting selling my main monitor Eizo GC2730, incredible monitor, perfect colours and great colour accuracy, Proper 10bit, I thought I would sell both monitors and buy one mega monitor... erm, think I’m ****ed lol

    Doesn’t seem you can buy something that is a high quality IPS with great colour accuracy, with high refresh rate and is suitable for gaming. As I starting to understand frame rate is more important then refresh rate.

    And whats the deal with no 10bit panels?!?! 8bit plus bull**** doesn’t equal 10bits 😂

    Clearly I don’t need a 4k monitor, but my ideal monitor would be around 27-32” 16:9 flat panel, IPS, high colour accuracy in sRGB, AdobeRBG, 10bit PER CHANEL, have a good refresh rate and refresh rate that I could do some gaming on and stretch the legs of the Kingpin 2080 ti :-)

    Leave your suggestions below :-) this is technically part of the build as I no longer have a monitor lol
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/29 16:30:02 (permalink)

    Can you change this to Liters Per Minute?


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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/29 16:58:31 (permalink)
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    Can you change this to Liters Per Minute?



    When I saw gal/m, I thought that seems a strange measurement, then thought, i was like, erm US gallons are different to UK gallons, so came away with even less understanding of that flow rate lol :)
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/30 14:57:43 (permalink)
    Whats the story if you go external water cooling? Just thinking out-loud here.

    Looking at the cost of small pumps, multiple small radiators and reservoirs... and then loads of fans (fans alone are £250 ish)...

    Pc is never moving, why not have water cooling in the next room and zero fans and no noise or dust issues?

    I mean a massive rad on the other-side of wall would almost passively cool itself, but if not a large fan that I could easily add a fan controller too would cost like next to nothing for me, only think I would need is pipe and a fan.

    Would the vrm’s, m.2 ssd’s and memory over heat with no fans in the case? If not a single fan in the front would most likely deal with that?

    Don’t care about looks, want raw performance.

    I have these in stock I can use... lol
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/30 17:43:57 (permalink)
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    @GTXJackBauer

    Thanks for the reply, nice looking machine.

    I would go for APC as I can get trade on it, so cheaper basically. But I just saw that the newer unit is only 900w, so really want to know if that will be enough. (I think it will be plenty unless I’m in an overclocking session lol)

    Biggest problem for me with bitspower is they seem to be really expensive to import, but they where the fittings I was looking at tbh.

    Does anyone know what pressure the fittings are rated at? 1bar?

    Pipe size, not put allot of thought into it as yet, but everyone talks of flow rate, and not much about pressure which confuses me, because in motorsport high flow with no pressure will cause issues, hence why we fit restrictors in the outlets to hold pressure up...

    I mean, the highest restriction place has to be the cpu block, so pressure is going to be higher between pump and cpu, then its got to be lifted to top rad (how I will be running it), so there is only the pressure of the lifting of the liquid into top rad, unless the return restriction to res is higher its not going to force liquid to fill a 60mm thick 360mm rad, because gravity is going to flow it back down etc... so my logic is a restrictor needs to be fitted on the outlet of top rad to hold pressure up and force liquid to every part of rad.

    Also the pump is syphoning so any pressure build up is going to be cancelled out.

    I.e flow is important but surely pressure is also important and no sensors seem to be available.

    I’m just applying logic from motorsport here 😂

    Regarding the 6xt, I’ll look into it now. I was thinking of using a datalogger and some sensors to monitor etc.

     
    Thanks for the compliments.  I still need to update my modsrigs page.
     
    I mean you could add a pressure sensor (I think there is one for the AQ6.) to the loop if you really want to go that route but it's really not needed.  A simple flow meter would be the most you need to have an eye on the flow's health which has helped me in the past.  The PC loop won't be the same as in the automotive where heat, flow, etc will be higher so you don't have to think of it that way but yes, they do have similarities and yes it helps having a automotive background.  Should be a casual walk in the park. 

    superclarkey
    Is Aquacomputer the same brand? Are there pumps good and the eco-system as they seem to have allot of sensors that I was looking for.

    As for the screen have zero interest in that, whats the software actually like?

    Seems all cheap stuff is it good quality?

     
    I think it's built well, well because it's German.   They've over engineered their whole ecosystem for folks who like to tinker with their loop so I think the AQ might fit you well if you don't mind the added work.  
     
    Here's the backside of the AQ6 up top along with the two Farbwerks on the bottom.  The AQ6 has an optional heatsink which I wanted regardless if I needed it because of the labeling as it makes it a bit easier to know what's what cause you don't want to connect the wrong things otherwise poof!
     


    Here's my hidden birds nest, even though I do try my best cleaning up the wiring before I close up shop.



     
    superclarkey

    Little update, been told motherboard should be with me next week :-) fingers crossed... 🤞

    While I’m waiting and looking at monitors, I have to say I’m really disappointed in the price of gaming monitors, I had no idea technology seems lacking? Guess I thought gaming monitors would be unreal a decade on from when I last had one! Lol seems compromises have to be made!

    My only experience now is for video editing and photography/printing, so always had accurate monitors for AdobeRGB coverage. I just sold BenQ SW271 4k monitor IPS panel, total dog****, worst IPS I’ve owned, couldn’t pass any colour grading whatsoever lol stay away from BenQ, customer service is terrible...

    I’m now regretting selling my main monitor Eizo GC2730, incredible monitor, perfect colours and great colour accuracy, Proper 10bit, I thought I would sell both monitors and buy one mega monitor... erm, think I’m ****ed lol

    Doesn’t seem you can buy something that is a high quality IPS with great colour accuracy, with high refresh rate and is suitable for gaming. As I starting to understand frame rate is more important then refresh rate.

    And whats the deal with no 10bit panels?!?! 8bit plus bull**** doesn’t equal 10bits 😂

    Clearly I don’t need a 4k monitor, but my ideal monitor would be around 27-32” 16:9 flat panel, IPS, high colour accuracy in sRGB, AdobeRBG, 10bit PER CHANEL, have a good refresh rate and refresh rate that I could do some gaming on and stretch the legs of the Kingpin 2080 ti :-)

    Leave your suggestions below :-) this is technically part of the build as I no longer have a monitor lol

     
    Monitors are very pricey atm and you're not guaranteed anything either.

    The one monitor I would look at for gaming is this soon to be released LG.  Reviews are starting to slowly show up.  If it's more for Adobe and the likes, you'll have to enter the professional space in that regard.

    bcavnaugh

    Can you change this to Liters Per Minute?





    Yes you can.
     
    superclarkey
    Whats the story if you go external water cooling? Just thinking out-loud here.

    Looking at the cost of small pumps, multiple small radiators and reservoirs... and then loads of fans (fans alone are £250 ish)...

    Pc is never moving, why not have water cooling in the next room and zero fans and no noise or dust issues? 

    I mean a massive rad on the other-side of wall would almost passively cool itself, but if not a large fan that I could easily add a fan controller too would cost like next to nothing for me, only think I would need is pipe and a fan.

    Would the vrm’s, m.2 ssd’s and memory over heat with no fans in the case? If not a single fan in the front would most likely deal with that?

    Don’t care about looks, want raw performance.

    I have these in stock I can use... lol

     
    You could go external if you'd like with the use of QDCs (Quick Disconnects) and a MORA radiator with the pump/reservoir mounted on the rad itself as shown in the image below for example.



    Not sure if raw performance and passive cooling get along. lol  I think you can either have one or the other unless you got one of them state of the art passive custom designed builds but even those I don't think have top of the line gamer hardware in them.  Could be wrong but not 100%.  

    Yes you could have the rad in the other room and have some length back to your PC via QDCs to make things easier to unplug from if need be.  There are some DIY projects I've seen over the years where some did underground cooling, basement cooling and next room cooling, etc. but that's taking it to the next level. lol  You have to worry about condensation if the environment changers too much, sun light, etc.  Too complicated for my brain to talk about atm but do what ever pleases you and post some pics when it's all said and done. lol
    post edited by GTXJackBauer - 2019/07/30 17:52:43

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/30 23:54:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply,

    Its good to see everything your saying is stuff that
    I’ve also arrived at with my research, so I’m defo on the right track :-)

    Was looking that rad up only last night.

    I’ve not clicked the link on the monitor you linked to but I’m waiting for the LG ultragear 38GL950G to come out... will click link in a min and see if Its the same :-)

    I’m defo looking into the auqacomputer gear and software, might even go for the panel.

    With regards to next door, seems a sold solution as its not a laptop and it can stay still, bearing in mind I like to over engineer everything.

    Looking at heat exchangers cores as they are even cheaper.

    I want it so under full load I hear nothing :-)

    Tbf, 3 fans in the front at 1000rpm not going to hear them and that will be plenty for the VRM and the memory (don’t know how hot the chipsets get on the z390)

    More excited about doing it this way than a losd of small fans etc

    Temp difference will not below the due point but also room is already humidity controlled, 30rh.

    Due to having a Canon Pro-2000 wide format printer in the same room and loads or paper that I don’t want going off.

    Yes german engineering is normally very good, my
    95’ BMW E36 M3 (Euro version, not the junk they sent to the US and called an M3 lol) is still my favourite car I own :-) will go on forever :-)

    Looks like external rads is the future :-)
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 04:41:43 (permalink)
    Heading off to bed but before I go, let me leave you these links here before I forget.

    New: aquasuite X
      
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    NEW: QUADRO and RGBpx Splitty4  (You could save funds and just use the QUADRO as it's a mini affordable controller but it is limited to what the Aquaero 6 can do fully like virtual sensors, deltas, etc.)
     
    NEW: farbwerk 360  (Addressable RGB 5v - Not the same as the original 12v Farbwerk that I currently use as you see in my prior posts.)

     
    Check out their forums for more info.  A lot of things can get complicating since they don't do a great job in breaking things down sometimes so just be aware and ask questions to make sure if something is worth it and or compatible.   
     
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 10:33:15 (permalink)
    If you live in England you have on WatercoolingUK nice parts.
     
    Radiators Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis
    CPU Waterblock - Heatkiller IV PRO - Black Copper full copper block
    Pump/Res combo - Heatkiller D5/DDC Tube size you want
    Tubing  - Mayhems Ultra Clear
    Coolant Mayhems X1
    Fittings Choose you like most
    Pump - Better D5, D5 w Speed Controller, Swiftech MCP655 non PWM, Watercool D5 WCP non PWM,... EK Lowara non PWM,...
     
    These parts are in serious advantage and class above almost everything else in quality, performance, durability, saving cost and opportunity to change shape of loop, size of reservoirs, pump model... over everything else on market. Most of others are made in China, these is made in Germany and radiator Philippines but that's best watercooling radiator company on the world.
    Off course you could buy Watercooling radiator but only if you want MO-RA3.
    Then I recommend MO-RA3 360 PRO Stainless Steel with MO-RA3 Stainless Steel Fan Grill.
    But than cooling is out of PC case. 
     
    You can spend 2000$ on watercooling you can't buy better quality parts then these on other sites/stores.
     
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2019/07/31 10:39:20

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 12:42:18 (permalink)
    Haha, well I've pulled the trigger on the following items..#
    Ordered from, Watercool.de (as they seemed to stock everything) (However 7-14 day shipping time... Boo)
     
    1 piece(s)            10013   HEATKILLER® IV Backplate INTEL 1150/1151/1155/1156                 €7.95  
    1 piece(s)            18002   HEATKILLER® IV PRO (INTEL processor) PURE COPPER                    €79.95
    1 piece(s)            25120   MO-RA3 420 PRO black                                                                  €219.95
    1 pair(s)                22200   MO-RA3 feet                                                                               €19.95
    1 piece(s)            30202   HEATKILLER® Tube 200                                                                 €79.95  
    1 piece(s)            30236   HEATKILLER® Tube - basic mounting kit                                          €14.95  
    1 piece(s)            30235   HEATKILLER® Tube - MO-RA3 Adapter                                             €9.95  
    1 piece(s)            22140   MO-RA3 420 Bracket for 180-230 mm Fans                                       €29.95
    2 piece(s)            22152   MO-RA3 420 Fan Grill - Classic - black (high version)                         €89.90  
     
    Subtotal                                                               €552.50
      
     
    Just doing research on which pumps to go for, but I'm leaning towards the D5 pumps, thinking of getting the dual setup as they are higher flow but less head pressure then the DDC pumps.
     
    My plan is to run soft lines from the Rad pack (which will have the res, pumps, fans and filters on) with dry-break connections.
     
     
     
    Inside the PC I will run hard pipes to bulkhead fittings on the back of the machine.  (Which will also be dry-break fittings)
     
    Best fans for this set up? Got the plate with it that can run upto 230mm fans, I think 38 max deep? 
     
     
     
    post edited by superclarkey - 2019/07/31 13:04:06
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:23:06 (permalink)
    superclarkey
    Haha, well I've pulled the trigger on the following items..#
    Ordered from, Watercool.de (as they seemed to stock everything) (However 7-14 day shipping time... Boo)
     
    1 piece(s)            10013   HEATKILLER® IV Backplate INTEL 1150/1151/1155/1156                 €7.95  
    1 piece(s)            18002   HEATKILLER® IV PRO (INTEL processor) PURE COPPER                    €79.95
    1 piece(s)            25120   MO-RA3 420 PRO black                                                                  €219.95
    1 pair(s)                22200   MO-RA3 feet                                                                               €19.95
    1 piece(s)            30202   HEATKILLER® Tube 200                                                                 €79.95  
    1 piece(s)            30236   HEATKILLER® Tube - basic mounting kit                                          €14.95  
    1 piece(s)            30235   HEATKILLER® Tube - MO-RA3 Adapter                                             €9.95  
    1 piece(s)            22140   MO-RA3 420 Bracket for 180-230 mm Fans                                       €29.95
    2 piece(s)            22152   MO-RA3 420 Fan Grill - Classic - black (high version)                         €89.90  
     
    Subtotal                                                               €552.50
      
     
    Just doing research on which pumps to go for, but I'm leaning towards the D5 pumps, thinking of getting the dual setup as they are higher flow but less head pressure then the DDC pumps.
     
    My plan is to run soft lines from the Rad pack (which will have the res, pumps, fans and filters on) with dry-break connections.
     
     
     
    Inside the PC I will run hard pipes to bulkhead fittings on the back of the machine.  (Which will also be dry-break fittings)
     
    Best fans for this set up? Got the plate with it that can run upto 230mm fans, I think 38 max deep? 
     
     
     


    That's amazing setup. Did you decide about pump and top.
    I think you should install D5 Pump on Heatkiller reservoir.
    But if you bought only reservoir you will need D5 Bottom and pump.
     
     
    MO-RA3 420 had opportunity to install 9x 140mm fans.
    You think it's better bigger fans then 120x9 or 180x4.
     
    This is Heatkiller DDC 200.
     

     
     
     
    This is Heatkiller D5 200.

    That's best watercooling configuration out of case. 
    Some people use small PC case on table, with only waterblocks inside, and under table is MO-RA3 with... 100 fans. 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2019/07/31 13:27:11

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:29:49 (permalink)
    I went with just the straight reservoir as I’m looking into if there is more industrial pump I can run that isn’t a trade off between d5 high flow / less head pressure or ddc low flow / more head pressure.

    So this way it keeps my options open.

    I’m sure 120x9 would be fantastic however silly cost when this will work fine with a few fans at a massive reduction in cost.

    I might put some motorsport race fans on instead, one massive on each side would kill any small fans lol.... again leaving my options open.

    I hope people can see I’m defo putting in the research time :-)

    Just a same my huge pc case will now be empty lol
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:30:13 (permalink)
    I will during 2019 to switch on Watercooling-Heatkiller. But I don't need nothing expensive.
    One Heatkiller 100 D5 with multi top port and mounting mechanism and one Heatkiller IV PRO Black Copper to wait next processor.

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:34:45 (permalink)
    Vlada011
    I will during 2019 to switch on Watercooling-Heatkiller. But I don't need nothing expensive.
    One Heatkiller 100 D5 with multi top port and mounting mechanism and one Heatkiller IV PRO Black Copper to wait next processor.


    Tbf, I actually felt this was the same cost of going mad with loads of rads inside the case lol.. or did I convince myself of that :D 
     
    I went for the Heatkiller IV Pro full copper as I thought it was better being all copper, I thought the black was a plastic top or something.. but I just realised its just coated...  I presume it makes little to no difference on the coating with heat transfer (as I presume the base place is exposed copper)?
     
    Might change my order. lol as I would prefer black.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:34:58 (permalink)
    superclarkey
    I went with just the straight reservoir as I’m looking into if there is more industrial pump I can run that isn’t a trade off between d5 high flow / less head pressure or ddc low flow / more head pressure.

    So this way it keeps my options open.

    I’m sure 120x9 would be fantastic however silly cost when this will work fine with a few fans at a massive reduction in cost.

    I might put some motorsport race fans on instead, one massive on each side would kill any small fans lol.... again leaving my options open.

    I hope people can see I’m defo putting in the research time :-)

    Just a same my huge pc case will now be empty lol



    I think you made mistake, industrial pumps are louder. Laing D5 is not made only for PC, later is accept as best option for watercooling.
    Original Laing D5 w Speed Controller is best and most durable and not noisy, no vibration, etc... Max flow is enough for your system.
     
    http://shop.watercool.de/WCP-D5-VARIO/en
     

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 13:37:02 (permalink)
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    I went with just the straight reservoir as I’m looking into if there is more industrial pump I can run that isn’t a trade off between d5 high flow / less head pressure or ddc low flow / more head pressure.

    So this way it keeps my options open.

    I’m sure 120x9 would be fantastic however silly cost when this will work fine with a few fans at a massive reduction in cost.

    I might put some motorsport race fans on instead, one massive on each side would kill any small fans lol.... again leaving my options open.

    I hope people can see I’m defo putting in the research time :-)

    Just a same my huge pc case will now be empty lol



    I think you made mistake, industrial pumps are louder. Laing D5 is not made only for PC, later is accept as best option for watercooling.
    Original Laing D5 w Speed Controller is best and most durable and not noisy, no vibration, etc... Max flow is enough for your system.
     




    I'm leaning towards the dual D5 EKWB pump, but I've not fully researched this area yet, I can only do one thing at a time :D   Hence me "keeping my options open" :D
     
    I will always listen to any advice given, that's why I started this thread.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/07/31 15:01:43 (permalink)
    Looks good from here.  Show us some pics when all is said and done.

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/08/01 06:03:52 (permalink)
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    I went with just the straight reservoir as I’m looking into if there is more industrial pump I can run that isn’t a trade off between d5 high flow / less head pressure or ddc low flow / more head pressure.

    So this way it keeps my options open.

    I’m sure 120x9 would be fantastic however silly cost when this will work fine with a few fans at a massive reduction in cost.

    I might put some motorsport race fans on instead, one massive on each side would kill any small fans lol.... again leaving my options open.

    I hope people can see I’m defo putting in the research time :-)

    Just a same my huge pc case will now be empty lol



    I think you made mistake, industrial pumps are louder. Laing D5 is not made only for PC, later is accept as best option for watercooling.
    Original Laing D5 w Speed Controller is best and most durable and not noisy, no vibration, etc... Max flow is enough for your system.
     




    I'm leaning towards the dual D5 EKWB pump, but I've not fully researched this area yet, I can only do one thing at a time :D   Hence me "keeping my options open" :D
     
    I will always listen to any advice given, that's why I started this thread.




    Don't buy EKWB D5 G2 PWM version, it's little different and louder in some top.
    I posted video here about that, I can't search again. Buy EK D5 non PWM version, best model with label Lowara with speed controller. 
    This model is like German Laing D5 before 2009. 
     

    I read a lot about this and communicate with Swiftech and other companies and read documents about D5 pumps.
    Except if you can find Swiftech with this kind of bottom, but only that, not any other kind of bottom.
    This kind of Swiftech MCP655 is batch before original factory stop to produce D5. Glory from that period last and today and because of that people and order mostly MCP655 if they want D5. Swiftech 2006 start to sell them and I believe until 2010/2011 all stores had batches from original factory. But 2009 Laing D5 was produced out of Germany and others had license to produce D5 Pump...
     

     
    Even if you see first pictures on some site and you pay Swiftech D5 MCP655 w Speed Controller probably they will send bottom version. 
    But bottom version no changes as well. I think Swiftech first start to offer them for PC cooling in moment when D5 was made in Germany and today in USA 90% of people will buy MCP655 if they build watercooling with D5. There is no need to pump change speed in idle and load. They are durable, it's important to find right flow (speed). She will work years on that speed without problems. PWM pump react on restart computer etc... on my RVE10 D5 PWM start to work on 100% and after 2-3 sec stop. That's way how motherboard work and W_Pump header planned for watercooling pump. And on some other motherboard is same. If you put pump with speed controller she will always work on speed you set. 
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2019/08/01 06:09:15

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/08/01 06:27:10 (permalink)
    These are parts I plan to use with next platform, but reservoir-pump, radiator I will change before.
    Probably and CPU block but I will not install him before I switch on new platform.
     
     
     

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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/08/01 12:35:36 (permalink)
    So I asked to cancel the 180-230 conversion plate, will buy 9x140mm fans.

    Noctua NF-A14 industrial ip67 rating the best ones to go for?

    EDIT: Ok, just bought some Noctua NF-A14, was advertised as PWM but after bought them noticed they where on 3pin... so very miss-leading advert. (So now await a refund)

    Looking at NF-A14 industrial ip57, 2000vs3000rpm? Which is better to go for, 3000rpm?

    About the same price, £23 vs £25.
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    Re: Help me build my new computer, what to buy, how to, lets make this happen! [UK] 2019/08/01 14:50:00 (permalink)
    Looking at this dual pump...

    https://www.scan.co.uk/pr...l-h-incl-2x-pump-black

    Which seems to have the correct Lowawa pumps
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