ferpixio
Would the LHR change be retroactive to previously released/sold cards?  Also, what will happen with the RTX 2000 series (would the LHR limits apply once the new driver is installed)?

Why would they do that? Miners can just keep using the old drivers.

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck
my fear is about legacy cards. If they limit mining for cards that was sold and we expect to work like that and they just go there and limit mining in a new driver/bios update.

Nvidia never advertised their GPUs to mine anything. So frankly whether or not they limit the legacy cards with a future update means nothing as far as what the cards were advertised to do which is game and do video rendering work. So if they do find a way to limit the cards in the field currently, that would be an epic and satisfying slap in the face to people buying up cards by the truck loads.

But unfortunately software locking will probably be worked around. Any miner would likely just need to hold onto an older driver to work around it.

As well they dont advertised that need to be used for a specific thing. Is a hardware, I can use however I want since there is no restrictions related to warranty. I can mining, I can use for IA, I can use for VR, I can use for gaming or for video editing. There is many possibilities that is not related to these two that you mention and the company never restricted to these, they are only examples about how to use. There is why they created cuda drivers, to have more use of gpu for general purpose. I particulary use for database processing. If is not the primary use I can be restricted too? I agree to limit a new line to avoid scalpers but I dont agree to limit existent ones. And I have fear that these limitations can impact other softwares that uses cuda fetures for processing. Is like to buy a knife and after you pay and are using for months says that: now you can only cut vegetables with it, meat are not allowed do be cut using this knife.
Just to clarify I have no one card mining. I just dont think is fair whoever invested money would simply have the functionality removed due to a lack of semicondutor in the industry.

hoffmannbeck

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck
my fear is about legacy cards. If they limit mining for cards that was sold and we expect to work like that and they just go there and limit mining in a new driver/bios update.

Nvidia never advertised their GPUs to mine anything. So frankly whether or not they limit the legacy cards with a future update means nothing as far as what the cards were advertised to do which is game and do video rendering work. So if they do find a way to limit the cards in the field currently, that would be an epic and satisfying slap in the face to people buying up cards by the truck loads.

But unfortunately software locking will probably be worked around. Any miner would likely just need to hold onto an older driver to work around it.

As well they dont advertised that need to be used for a specific thing. Is a hardware, I can use however I want since there is no restrictions related to warranty. I can mining, I can use for IA, I can use for VR, I can use for gaming or for video editing. There is many possibilities that is not related to these two that you mention and the company never restricted to these, they are only examples about how to use. There is why they created cuda drivers, to have more use of gpu for general purpose. I particulary use for database processing. If is not the primary use I can be restricted too? I agree to limit a new line to avoid scalpers but I dont agree to limit existent ones. And I have fear that these limitations can impact other softwares that uses cuda fetures for processing. Is like to buy a knife and after you pay and are using for months says that: now you can only cut vegetables with it, meat are not allowed do be cut using this knife.
Just to clarify I have no one card mining. I just dont think is fair whoever invested money would simply have the functionality removed due to a lack of semicondutor in the industry.

They can and have limited their gaming GPUs in certain areas so that professionals end up getting pushed to their workstation cards rather than the cheaper Geforce GPUs. Nvidia is well within their rights to release new drivers that limit mining and its up to you whether or not you update the drivers. They obviously can't just take your card and put new firmware on it so the choice will be yours.

Stickboy46

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck
my fear is about legacy cards. If they limit mining for cards that was sold and we expect to work like that and they just go there and limit mining in a new driver/bios update.

Nvidia never advertised their GPUs to mine anything. So frankly whether or not they limit the legacy cards with a future update means nothing as far as what the cards were advertised to do which is game and do video rendering work. So if they do find a way to limit the cards in the field currently, that would be an epic and satisfying slap in the face to people buying up cards by the truck loads.

But unfortunately software locking will probably be worked around. Any miner would likely just need to hold onto an older driver to work around it.

As well they dont advertised that need to be used for a specific thing. Is a hardware, I can use however I want since there is no restrictions related to warranty. I can mining, I can use for IA, I can use for VR, I can use for gaming or for video editing. There is many possibilities that is not related to these two that you mention and the company never restricted to these, they are only examples about how to use. There is why they created cuda drivers, to have more use of gpu for general purpose. I particulary use for database processing. If is not the primary use I can be restricted too? I agree to limit a new line to avoid scalpers but I dont agree to limit existent ones. And I have fear that these limitations can impact other softwares that uses cuda fetures for processing. Is like to buy a knife and after you pay and are using for months says that: now you can only cut vegetables with it, meat are not allowed do be cut using this knife.
Just to clarify I have no one card mining. I just dont think is fair whoever invested money would simply have the functionality removed due to a lack of semicondutor in the industry.

They can and have limited their gaming GPUs in certain areas so that professionals end up getting pushed to their workstation cards rather than the cheaper Geforce GPUs. Nvidia is well within their rights to release new drivers that limit mining and its up to you whether or not you update the drivers. They obviously can't just take your card and put new firmware on it so the choice will be yours.

Very legal gray area here.  See Apple and limiting performance to save batteries.  Could NVIDIA do it and be ok ? possibly.  Could they also be held liable for damages?  Yes they could.  Probably a battle that NVIDIA likely wont want to enter.  It's much easier to release a new model number (even if it's with the SAME hardware) and advertise that as a card for gaming with gimped mining performance.  That is the much more likely scenario.  

Lol you are dreaming if you think there is any legal gray area when it comes to nvidia limiting mining performance in a GeForce gaming GPU. If they do it and it doesn't effect their overall gaming/rendering performance then you're not losing anything as a GeForce GPU customer. If you bought their HX mining GPU and a driver update crippled their mining performance then you can claim some sort of legal gray area.

If they do release a new GeForce driver that limits performance to miners then as a miner it is up to you whether or not you want to run the new drivers. If you decide to update then you get to live with the cripple and nvidia has nothing to answer for.

Stickboy46

TheDoctorCMG

Stickboy46

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck

TheDoctorCMG

hoffmannbeck
my fear is about legacy cards. If they limit mining for cards that was sold and we expect to work like that and they just go there and limit mining in a new driver/bios update.

Nvidia never advertised their GPUs to mine anything. So frankly whether or not they limit the legacy cards with a future update means nothing as far as what the cards were advertised to do which is game and do video rendering work. So if they do find a way to limit the cards in the field currently, that would be an epic and satisfying slap in the face to people buying up cards by the truck loads.

But unfortunately software locking will probably be worked around. Any miner would likely just need to hold onto an older driver to work around it.

As well they dont advertised that need to be used for a specific thing. Is a hardware, I can use however I want since there is no restrictions related to warranty. I can mining, I can use for IA, I can use for VR, I can use for gaming or for video editing. There is many possibilities that is not related to these two that you mention and the company never restricted to these, they are only examples about how to use. There is why they created cuda drivers, to have more use of gpu for general purpose. I particulary use for database processing. If is not the primary use I can be restricted too? I agree to limit a new line to avoid scalpers but I dont agree to limit existent ones. And I have fear that these limitations can impact other softwares that uses cuda fetures for processing. Is like to buy a knife and after you pay and are using for months says that: now you can only cut vegetables with it, meat are not allowed do be cut using this knife.
Just to clarify I have no one card mining. I just dont think is fair whoever invested money would simply have the functionality removed due to a lack of semicondutor in the industry.

They can and have limited their gaming GPUs in certain areas so that professionals end up getting pushed to their workstation cards rather than the cheaper Geforce GPUs. Nvidia is well within their rights to release new drivers that limit mining and its up to you whether or not you update the drivers. They obviously can't just take your card and put new firmware on it so the choice will be yours.

Very legal gray area here.  See Apple and limiting performance to save batteries.  Could NVIDIA do it and be ok ? possibly.  Could they also be held liable for damages?  Yes they could.  Probably a battle that NVIDIA likely wont want to enter.  It's much easier to release a new model number (even if it's with the SAME hardware) and advertise that as a card for gaming with gimped mining performance.  That is the much more likely scenario.  

Lol you are dreaming if you think there is any legal gray area when it comes to nvidia limiting mining performance in a GeForce gaming GPU. If they do it and it doesn't effect their overall gaming/rendering performance then you're not losing anything as a GeForce GPU customer. If you bought their HX mining GPU and a driver update crippled their mining performance then you can claim some sort of legal gray area.

If they do release a new GeForce driver that limits performance to miners then as a miner it is up to you whether or not you want to run the new drivers. If you decide to update then you get to live with the cripple and nvidia has nothing to answer for.

You are dreaming if you think there ISN'T a legal gray area.  Sorry not going to debate you on that.  Doesn't matter either because NVIDIA isn't going to do it because their lawyers are telling them not to. 

You won't debate because there is nothing to be debated. If they release a driver that limits mining efficiency and you install it, that's on you buddy, not nvidia's problem. But it would be pretty hilarious to see a bunch of salty miners actually try to take them to court if it happens. 

I don't like the limiter..... the mining profitability is the only reason I could justify spending over $800 on a GPU.  I still think the 60/70/80 cards should be $300/400/500 respectively.

Macusercom

03fan
I don't like the limiter..... the mining profitability is the only reason I could justify spending over $800 on a GPU.  I still think the 60/70/80 cards should be $300/400/500 respectively.

Isn't there a way around that already? I thought the hash limits have been successfully removed already? 

That was only the RTX 3060 when nvidia "leaked" a driver that disabled it. The new hardware/firmware/software level limiter is still working as intended. 

I think limiting hash rate is a form of discrimination and should be taking to court to combat the illegality of it, i know if we told anyone else that they could buy an item and use it the way they wish but others cannot, there would be some major ramifications..

If its posible to lower HR for 50%, why they didn't turned it of at all, or make it 80%? Souns catchy for me.