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2021/03/03 02:41:56 (permalink)
Hello,
 
I'm sure this is an overly discussed topic, but I can't find any convincing answers.
 
My position is the following:
- I will soon be doing paper in Visual computing and i'm currently rocking an rx570 (Hybrid 980ti died) which is not up to the task coming it's way.
- I could pay about 3000$ to get a second hand 3090 or 2000$ for a second hand 3080, I do have the money, but am obviously not happy about supporting such sellers. Alternatively i'm looking at RTX quadros, but they will soon be updated I think & are also very pricy.
- I will have to buy some recent GPU in the next few weeks.
 
I'm in many of the queues but I don't think there is a realistic chance of getting any card in the next few weeks.
Hence I have 2 bad choices and 1 unrealistically small chance of getting one from the queue.
 
What would you recommend I do? Does anyone know the "speed" of the 3090 queues, is there a chance that waiting makes sence?
 
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 02:45:30 (permalink)
there's a spreadsheet and an update on the times the cards have been shipped. Only you can tell how badly you need a new gpu

EU- 12G-P5-3657-KR     2/25/2021 9:01:27 AM PT
EU - 08G-P5-3751-KR     2/22/2021 12:11:04 PM PT    
EU - 08G-P5-3663-KR     1/25/2021 8:05:36 AM PT
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 02:52:45 (permalink)
Thanks for your response.
 
According to those spreadsheets 2 people have a 3090 of any type in the EU and I could get the cards i signed up for by anywhere between 3-20 years. Are these the numbers I should base my decision on?
 
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 03:18:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jay Gatsby 2021/03/03 03:54:32
There is no way of knowing when one would drop your way. I would not support scalpers. How about two or three older cards, SLI or not? How about a new Dell Alienware with their RTX 3090?
 Lastly, I'm in a que for a 3090. So if one drops my way first, I'll sell it to you at cost plus an agreed upon shipping and handling cost, as long as you give your word that you will never sell it for more than 50% of purchase price. This means you have to make good use of it till it's value drops by half of actual retail.
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 03:52:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Jay Gatsby 2021/03/03 04:25:45
Jay Gatsby
Thanks for your response.
 
According to those spreadsheets 2 people have a 3090 of any type in the EU and I could get the cards i signed up for by anywhere between 3-20 years. Are these the numbers I should base my decision on?
 
Kind Regards





 
Where in Europe are you located? 
 
Mindfactory.de
and Alternate.de do have 3090's pretty much all the time. If you desperately need a card, this could be an option


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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 04:14:53 (permalink)
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How about two or three older cards, SLI or not? How about a new Dell Alienware with their RTX 3090?

I will look into dell's offerings, that's actually a reasonable idea. Small issue there being, that my system appart from the GPU is good shape, but may still be worth it.
 
avTronic
Lastly, I'm in a que for a 3090. So if one drops my way first, I'll sell it to you at cost plus an agreed upon shipping and handling cost, as long as you give your word that you will never sell it for more than 50% of purchase price. This means you have to make good use of it till it's value drops by half of actual retail.

This is very wholesome of you. Thank you a lot. We'll see what happens. I was never intending on selling it afterwards, I try keeping electronics as long as possible to do my part (hence the 980ti which served well).
 
Lord Winchester
Where in Europe are you located? 
 
Mindfactory.de
and Alternate.de do have 3090's pretty much all the time. If you desperately need a card, this could be an option



Switzerland. I just checked alternate and they have some, you are right, sadly no EVGA cards. Visuals don't matter, which AIB is recommend for 30 Series cards besides EVGA? I have little experience besides ASUS and EVGA.
There's currently listings for:
Zotac Trinity OC, Gigabyte OC 24, Gainward Phantom GS and Gigabyte Vision OC
 
Thanks in advance
 
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/03 12:45:05 (permalink)
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avTronic
How about two or three older cards, SLI or not? How about a new Dell Alienware with their RTX 3090?

I will look into dell's offerings, that's actually a reasonable idea. Small issue there being, that my system appart from the GPU is good shape, but may still be worth it.
 
avTronic
Lastly, I'm in a que for a 3090. So if one drops my way first, I'll sell it to you at cost plus an agreed upon shipping and handling cost, as long as you give your word that you will never sell it for more than 50% of purchase price. This means you have to make good use of it till it's value drops by half of actual retail.

This is very wholesome of you. Thank you a lot. We'll see what happens. I was never intending on selling it afterwards, I try keeping electronics as long as possible to do my part (hence the 980ti which served well).
 
Lord Winchester
Where in Europe are you located? 
 
Mindfactory.de
and Alternate.de do have 3090's pretty much all the time. If you desperately need a card, this could be an option



Switzerland. I just checked alternate and they have some, you are right, sadly no EVGA cards. Visuals don't matter, which AIB is recommend for 30 Series cards besides EVGA? I have little experience besides ASUS and EVGA.
There's currently listings for:
Zotac Trinity OC, Gigabyte OC 24, Gainward Phantom GS and Gigabyte Vision OC
 
Thanks in advance
 
Kind Regards




 
I had a very bad experience with the Gigabyte Aorus Master. The Software froze my computer completely. I tried it even with a fresh windows install, but as soon as the Gigabyte Software starts, windows froze again. 
 
 
 
Before you buy an EVGA Card, are you aware of the problems with evga cards and their weird power draw behavior? 


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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/04 00:37:47 (permalink)
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I had a very bad experience with the Gigabyte Aorus Master. The Software froze my computer completely. I tried it even with a fresh windows install, but as soon as the Gigabyte Software starts, windows froze again.  
 
Before you buy an EVGA Card, are you aware of the problems with evga cards and their weird power draw behavior? 



I heard that they draw a lot sometimes, is there anything else?
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/04 03:37:27 (permalink)
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Lord Winchester
I had a very bad experience with the Gigabyte Aorus Master. The Software froze my computer completely. I tried it even with a fresh windows install, but as soon as the Gigabyte Software starts, windows froze again.  
 
Before you buy an EVGA Card, are you aware of the problems with evga cards and their weird power draw behavior? 



I heard that they draw a lot sometimes, is there anything else?




 
 
It's a bit more complicated. They like to "over draw" on the pcie slot, which causes the card to power limit, even though "board power draw" is below the bios power limit. 
 
So instead of 450w board draw, you might get a card, that hits only 400 or lower. 
 
Not all cards are affected, the affected cards are not all "crippled". 
 
 
It's just something I think you should know before buying an EVGA card from Germany and pay import customs to Switzerland on top of this ridiculous prices, they ask for at alternate😅
 


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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/04 07:35:20 (permalink)
 
 
You need to ask yourself this question:  Is it worth $2000 to get a 3090?  Everyone has a different answer.  It might make 3 years before needing to be replaced in your main rig... it might not.. depends on use case and warranty of brand.  
 
The only way your going to get it at list price is EVGA queue, waiting  in line at a Microcenter, or if Newegg has it/one on their Shuffle.  Its not worth paying a scalper.

---Main Rig Build ---
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, CPU Cooler: NZXT X73 360, GPU: EVGA 3090 FTW3 Ultra, MB: ASUS CH VIII Formula, RAM: 64GB G.Skill Trident RGB 3600, Storage:  2TB Adata M.2, 2TB WD SSD, 500GB WD SSD, Case:  Thermaltake ARGB View51
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Re: Guidance on Bad Purchase Options needed 2021/03/04 07:40:08 (permalink)
flg2010
 
 
You need to ask yourself this question:  Is it worth $2000 to get a 3090?  Everyone has a different answer.  It might make 3 years before needing to be replaced in your main rig... it might not.. depends on use case and warranty of brand.  
 
The only way your going to get it at list price is EVGA queue, waiting  in line at a Microcenter, or if Newegg has it/one on their Shuffle.  Its not worth paying a scalper.




 
Waiting in front of a microcenter involves going half round the globe for him, so my wild guess is, it's not an option for him🤣. 
 
 
Also, in Europe the cards are Waaay more expensive than 2000$.
 
For an EVGA 3090 FTW3 you have to pay about 3000$.
 
 
https://www.alternate.de/GIGABYTE/GeForce-RTX-3090-Gaming-OC-24G-Grafikkarte/html/product/1672749
 
 
This is the cheapest 3090 in stock.
 
This price converted to USD is right now
3212,15$.
 
 
post edited by Lord Winchester - 2021/03/04 07:47:14


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