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2018/10/05 06:07:04 (permalink)
 Soon, I should be back in my home after Hurricane Harvey destroyed and my servers and PC's. I may try folding again once i am back in and settled again because I was able to recover my gtx 1080 FTW card.
 
I got this used watercooled monster PC from a college kid that likely spend 6 grand or more building it for about $1700. I ordered a 2080 TI FTW3 to go into this so I will have 2 1080's left over one an asus strix and a EVGA FTW. My thought is to buy another used desktop and then i'll have a box and three cards to fold on.  I am not going to go as big as last time with several servers and all that but it'll get be folding a bit again.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 06:14:15 (permalink)
    PM me and I will send you an EVGA X79 Classified MB with a Core i7-3930K Processor 32 GB 8 Vengeance Blue 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 2133 MHz Full EK Motherboard Water Blocks installed with Koolance Flow Meter and some other Stuff that is if you could use it.
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 10:59:20 (permalink)
    Hi Jini, happy to see you're doing ok. Nice looking rig you have there.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 11:41:10 (permalink)
    Great news Jini. Sounds like it's been an epic mission.
    Have you got a date for moving back in? Hope it goes well.
    Glad to hear you've still got the folding bug.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 12:31:57 (permalink)
    Always great to hear from you Jini!!!  I love that TT case. I hope you are doing better these days. 
     
    Thank you Bcav, you are always so generous. I appreciate that a lot! 
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 13:39:26 (permalink)
    My house has basically been rebuilt from the ground up. After i was flooded with 15' of water during harvey. It's taken way longer than I expected. I've been in a RV for over a year now. We are kinda on the last mile now.
     
    New roof, major replacement of most of the outer walls due to previous very major termite damage from the previous owners neglect. 100% new electric, A/C, plumbing, new driveway and carport. Added 650 sqft to the house with a 400 sqft family room and a 250 sqft air conditioned and heated room for my outdoor dogs to be kenneled in. House is fully wired for cable and internet (did it myself so i know its correct).

    We are down to needing the electric sockets and ceiling lights installed. a couple closet doors and all the trim. my cabinets are being hand crafted for me and should be done week after next. by then the last thing will be cabinet granite and  sinks. 
     
    I still give my self a month out before going back in. After everything construction is done then its furniture and all the decorative things like shades and curtains ETC.  


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/05 17:07:13 (permalink)
    Wow bcav, certainly a generous person. Always nice to see such great acts! I feel very fortunate to have been spared from the storms these past few years.  
    Welcome back to the fold jini. Hope the rest of the rebuild works out well. 


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/06 08:34:18 (permalink)
     I am playing around today stress testing the 1080 FTW that was in the flood. I literally had to take a dremel with a wire brush to clean all the contacts on the board cause between the rust and solder joint corrosion there were literally 100's of potential shorts on the board. 
     
    After I finished giving it a good scrub down and alcohol bath, I was able to get it fired back up but I had no paste on it so i didn't stress it at all just seen if it worked. 
     
    I have an alienware laptop i been using for a PC the past year with a 1070m video card. After i got the 1080 running i got a dell video enhancer that allows me to use the 1080 as an external card for it. Grant it its only 4 channel PCIE  but I figured if it fries the hardware in a 200 dollar external box it's better than frying a desktop.
     
    Well I have it folding on the laptop as my stress test. GPU temp is hovering around 68-70c with a PPD of the card of 775781. Does not sound bad for 4 channel PCIE to me but it seems like ages since I folded last and not sure what it should fold at.
     
    I was going to put it in the new PC and let the 2 1080's fold together over the weekend.. unfortunately my contractors shattered my only monitor, a 32" samsung......  now i have to to wait so they don't destroy another.


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/06 08:44:14 (permalink)
    I have found that Driver 390.65 or 391.35 Folds Well.
    Some Driver Versions over the passed few months have broken Folding and CUDA BOINC GPU Projects.
    I am about to test Driver 416.16 on my GTX 1080 on Windows 10 1809.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/06 08:58:04 (permalink)
    I am using the latest driver. Obviously I will not be doing any steady folding on my laptop so i was not looking for the best PPD, especially since I am running the card on PCIE 3 x4 and not x16 I will take a big performance hit from that alone. From what I read it's like a 20% hit when running from a alienware graphics amplifier.

    The GTX 1070m was folding at around 680,000 PPD yesterday. Just way too much heat radiating off the laptop with the internal GPU cooking.


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/06 20:16:43 (permalink)
    I'm glad you got the 1080 working Jini, sounds like it was pretty rough. Looks like your on the home stretch on the house, awesome! Basically rebuilding/ rehabbing your house. Quite a project, I hope it brings happiness to you and your family. 
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/28 05:09:26 (permalink)
    This is the story of, I am sure glad I know PCs.

    As I posted above I purchased that PC from a collage kid. I had assumed since it looked so nicely done that he knew what he was doing. Boy o Boy was I wrong.

    I decided last weekend just to bench things out to see how things where running. I first installed [link=mailto:folding@home]folding@home[/link] just to give it a long test on the box. Almost immediately the CPU temps hit 100c at stock clocks. I quickly killed the cpu folding.  The GPU folding was running at less PPD than the 1080 FTW I had ran on my 4 channel laptop extender. The temps where fine just it didn't seem right to me.
     
    Well the builder never put in drains for the cooling loops and the liquid and tubes looked like they needed to be all cleaned out. I decided, well lets tear it down and take a good look at whats going on.
     
    I drained all the loops and started pulling things apart. The CPU compound looked like the attached picture. The heat spreader pads under the monoplate where in the wrong places and he left the tape on the out side of it. Additionally he must of loosened the screws on the top of the monoblock and it started to leak so he epoxied it closed and got epoxie where it should not be, like on top of the heat spreaders.
     
    The GPU was running off of a single GPU cable, one that has 4 and 3 pin on a single cable. he did not bring me any of the spare cables so I had to buy a new PSU (because i got a evga 1000w g2 for the same price as additional cabled for a G1.
     
     
    I delided the CPU adding thermal grizzly liquid metal got a new mono block and some new water cooling fixtures, Drain elbows compression fittings etc.
    I totally rebuilt the CPU loop this weekend and basically just used the on-board GPU for graphic till the power supply comes in today. Then the 2080 TI FTW will go in once i have the cables to support it.
     
    The results of the fixes to the CPU loop. 4900mhz automatic overclock (I will do manual when I am actually living in the house) temps at full load 50c-53c  Idol temps 27c-30c.
    Ambient temps around 24c.
     
    Today i should get the powersupply and get the 2080 ti in, still waiting on the waterblock to get released by evga till then it will be stock cooler.
     
    It has been so enjoyable to get my mind off of all the BS in my life to do something I totally enjoy. 
     
     
     

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/28 05:58:48 (permalink)
    You rock jini! Nice work.


     

     
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/28 14:08:59 (permalink)
    It sucks you had to check it all out. Lucky you did! The CPU paste looks quite odd, it has the outward line where the TIM was.. I'm glad you got it sorted Jini, nice result. I'm sure you probably already know CPU folding is not worth it. Nothing wrong with testing though. You may want to try some of the Mayhems cleaning products for your loop sometime, I haven't used them. I usually just run distilled water in mine. Were you able to add a drain to your system? Should be part of every loop. Keep in touch with us when possible. 
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/28 14:27:56 (permalink)
    Cpu folding was only good for bigadv. But since @home automatically starts with cpu folding I figured it would make a good preliminary test. When it pinged 100 right away I knew I has work ahead of me.

    It is all good now. Swapped the power supply today, updated the MB bios and then ran stability testing on the cpu and motherboard . I also have the 2080 TI in, but that I didn't mess with.

    After about 6 hours of benching the temps rose some (forgot that the loop has to warm up before you get accuracy.) But the temps hovered between 57 - 61c still good in my book.

    GPU playing has to wait till next week, I have 4 different crews coming to work on the house this week, so I had to put away my toys!


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/28 14:40:43 (permalink)
    Ohh yea I added a drain to the cpu loop in the back at the lowest part of the loop. The GPU loops been pulled out till I get a hydocopper.

    When I cleaned the loop I completely took the loop apart. Since I was swapping the mono plate anyway. I changed the way the loop runs too replacing most of the loop with new tubing and new fittings. He had all bends in the original loop and it was a pain in the tuckus to do anything


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/29 11:20:25 (permalink)
    Well, now you have piece of mind, that you know things are right now. I would like to buy a 20 series, but it seems they have priced me right out of it for now. I hope yours is awesome, I bet it is. Good luck getting a block for it soon. 
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/10/30 04:50:28 (permalink)
    Just catching up on some stuff, sorry you went through that jinihammerer it must have been horrible.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 15:12:11 (permalink)
    I dunked around with the GPU. I overclocked it some, but I have no clue if this score is good or not. I see my CPU is dragging down the over all score, but I think the GPU is ok. Let me know what's ya'll think.

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    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4918395

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 15:16:57 (permalink)

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 15:45:50 (permalink)
    I just don't understand why it won't go past 2070mhz. I am running at 135 clocks, 925 memory. Any higher it craps out.

    Weird thing I am seeing is once it hits like 60c its starts throttling down.
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 16:33:33 (permalink)
    I was seeing problems with Driver 416.34 and went back to 416.16
    I was setting the memory to + 1000 GPU + 175 Max Voltage Max GPU Power and Temp
    And Fans to 90%
     
    Using two Power Cables to the GPU?
    What PSU are you running?
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 17:19:18 (permalink)
     I will try downgrading the drivers tomorrow.
     
    Power supply is fine, Brand spanking new EVGA 1000 G2 and everything has all its proper power supplies .
    I know you are running the trouble shooting gauntlet.
     
    If I go over 135 it will not bench with 0 mem overclock.
     
    Once its at 135 i can clock the mem up to 925 any more it will not bench.
    This remains the same if i am in OC bios or standard. 
    Temps are weird too, at 57c it starts down clocking at 60c the clocks speed jumps down to 2040mhz (tested on Heaven Benchmark continuous loop)
     
     It could be a driver issue hopefully. 

    I'll clean install in the AM.
     
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/02 20:33:56 (permalink)
    Just for the fun of it today I used only one PCIe Cable and each time my computer would crash.
    I am running One PG (PPS-Mega (LLR) v8.01) 4MT LLR (HT Off) Task and a GPU Task (Genefer 18 v3.19 (OCLcudaGFN18).
    Together my UPS Unit is showing 710 Watts, it goes between 702 and 714 Watts So us Crunchers really do need a good PSU. 

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/03 15:54:36 (permalink)
    Well I downgraded the drivers same results.

    I wanted to check something and set the stock clocks and ran heaven for about 20 min.

    It starts out at a respectable 1940mhz but as the card warmed up to 70c (stock fans too) the performance throttled down to 1815mhz. I think if it got to 75c it would drop below base clocks. Well not base but the advertised top clocks.

    Watercooled I think it would do much better, but I think something may be goofy with the card. I have had it lock up and crash on benches at stock speeds a few times today.

    Had to delete like 50 zero scores on the 3dmark page.

    One thing I get a kick from is seeing the old scores from my previous rig getting stomped. Just makes me happy. I would likely still be on that rig if it wasn't for the flood. LOL.
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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/03 16:01:34 (permalink)
    One of the items I like best is betting my old scores as well, it is all part of the fun.
    So today I am running the as above with PG but only on the CPU and Folding on the GPU @2070MHz 43C @ 888-692 Watts
    The Hydro Copper Water Blocks are Supper Nice Looking and Great Performance IMO. 

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/03 17:00:58 (permalink)
    I would upgrade the mb and cpu.. but since the new i9 9900k was released seems like all Intel's cpu's went up in price.

    Half tempted to break a lifetime trend of never buying AMD but... I'll wait. The i7 7700k is fine enough for gaming.


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/03 17:30:43 (permalink)
    I Gave AMD a go with the RYZEN 7 1800X but no more for me.
    Having to set on offset of -20C on the CPU is just nuts IMO.
    Also MSI support is well not their when it comes to Bios Updates.
    Don't get me wrong the GTX 1080 Ti in it Folds Just Fine.

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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/04 11:56:52 (permalink)
    I think I just discovered something interesting.
     
    I think the CPU may have a major impact on the speeds and overclocking potential of the 2080's.
     
    For a tests I have the GPU at 133 clocks memory 925.
    Test 1 with the CPU at 4.5 mhz
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4942760
     
    Test 2 I have the CPU at 4.9 mhz
    https://www.3dmark.com/spy/4942922
     
    Test 1 Graphics Score 15,299, Core clock 2,040 MHz; Test 2 Graphics Score 15,458, Core clock 2,070 MHz
     
    159 graphic points and 30 MHz overclock just from changing the CPU overclock .4 MHz
     
    I can only get my CPU up to like 4.99 MHz before I start having issues but it makes me wonder if older/less powerfull/less core CPU's may be a reason for some folks issues.


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    Re: Greetings all. 2018/11/04 12:26:30 (permalink)
    https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/4942760/spy/4942922
    Not only that but also the Overclocking of the Graphics Memory as well, this give a Higher Graphics Score not an Overall Score.
    The More Cores and or Thread the CPU has also makes a Big Difference on Time Spy *DX12 Benchmark.
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