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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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3.13. Its going to get worse though
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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austin86 It keeps swinging between 3.39 and 3.69 here. about every 3 days it jumps from 3.39 to 3.69 and its been doing that for the last few weeks, I never seen that before.
mid-west maybe that OH refinery fire
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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About $1.9 for diesel/95-octane per liter here in Belarus, on the "cheap gas" side, lmao. Compare that to our average wages for an easy laugh. But I actually came here to ask someone, if I'm lucky, who knows how can I get 3070 to Belarus. I thought of ordering it to a friend of my brother, who is in Poland, and send it via post, but postal services are infinitely slow these days, brother's wife is waiting for her letter from Latvia for months now. So I am looking for perhaps a country which EVGA easily delivers to yet with which Belarus has reliable postal communication despite the things happening lately.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/06 10:27:30
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Things are not looking too good for diesel/home heating oil for this Winter. They are predicting 5$+ a gallon, what I paid the last delivery I received back in June or so.
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Definitely noticed utilities going up - our last 2 electricity bills have been the highest we've had in 20+ years living in Brooklyn, NYC, and we certainly have not been doing anything that would cause them to increase - our usage is as normal as it has always been (if not slightly less than normal). Gas was also up higher than ever over winter, yet we had a very mild winter and didn't use the gas heating nearly as much as we usually do in winter. I see California are telling everyone to cut electricity consumption drastically - including not charging their electric cars - or they will have rolling blackouts. This comes shortly after confirming a ban on all gas-powered cars over the next decade, lmao! How do they think their power grid is going to handle a massive increase in demand when currently only about 12% of vehicles in CA are electric, and their grid can't handle that? They've also dismantled their nuclear power stations, so guess how they're going to have to make it up? Coal and fossil fuels, because there is not anywhere near enough time to build the alternative infrastructure to cover that demand unless they use fossil fuels. Their green zealotry and virtue signalling have apparently made things worse than they would have been if they had not acted at all. Brilliant. Just wait until these millions of EV's need their batteries replaced in the next 5-10 years, and the massive environmental damage that is caused in both the manufacture and disposal of these batteries starts hitting home. The stupidity boggles the mind. I'm all for lessening our impact on the environment, but the tech just isn't there yet, and this has been clear to anyone without an agenda, but that doesn't get votes does it. Elections have consequences. Being a clueless voter also has consequences.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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I think they forgot the Sun doesn’t shine at night and on cloudy/rainy days. The wind doesn’t blow 24/7 every day either. Genius pure genius.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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$5.19 gal for regular unleaded.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/07 19:56:41
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West Texas crude dropped to $85 today (lowest price since January) & the "unofficial summer driving season" is over - so, we should see more drops in Gas prices
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/07 20:34:36
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bill1024 I think they forgot the Sun doesn’t shine at night and on cloudy/rainy days. The wind doesn’t blow 24/7 every day either. Genius pure genius.
Solar powered cars also have a battery and can be charged at an EV fueling station. One model can get 1,000 miles of range off of the battery and an additional 40 miles of driving per day off of solar and it’s available now according to CNET. Battery backup for solar have been used for decades and probably you have a calculator laying around somewhere with solar power with a battery backup. https://youtu.be/iDX4mWP9TIUAs for wind farms they are a reliable enough source of energy to have powered ships for thousands of years and windmills used to be/and still is in some places how we mill grain.
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Nereus I see California are telling everyone to cut electricity consumption drastically - including not charging their electric cars - or they will have rolling blackouts. This comes shortly after confirming a ban on all gas-powered cars over the next decade, lmao! How do they think their power grid is going to handle a massive increase in demand when currently only about 12% of vehicles in CA are electric, and their grid can't handle that? They've also dismantled their nuclear power stations, so guess how they're going to have to make it up? Coal and fossil fuels, because there is not anywhere near enough time to build the alternative infrastructure to cover that demand unless they use fossil fuels. Their green zealotry and virtue signalling have apparently made things worse than they would have been if they had not acted at all. Brilliant.
100% this here ^. CA has been pushing electric cars for a decade now and the state's gov't failure to put together accurate energy use forecast models is glaringly obvious. It's only a matter of time before they fire the nukes back up, I mean what other options are there? Sadly once they decide to do this, it's not the kind of thing where you just flip a light switch and turn the thing on. It would take months to get one from decommissioned status, to up and running again. They are playing the same game in NY and other states and all over in Europe. Speaking of, I just read that the UK is planning on reversing their ban on fracking.. Then again many European countries just parrot the bad policy making happening here. For the record, i drive a Tesla, but you gotta call a spade a spade here on terrible policy making that we are all paying for right now.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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Under the wind mills you'll find a grave yard of dead birds. Also, need wind 24/7.
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2022/09/07 21:52:33
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bill1024 I think they forgot the Sun doesn’t shine at night and on cloudy/rainy days. The wind doesn’t blow 24/7 every day either. Genius pure genius.
Solar powered cars also have a battery and can be charged at an EV fueling station. One model can get 1,000 miles of range off of the battery and an additional 40 miles of driving per day off of solar and it’s available now according to CNET. Battery backup for solar have been used for decades and probably you have a calculator laying around somewhere with solar power with a battery backup.
https://youtu.be/iDX4mWP9TIU
As for wind farms they are a reliable enough source of energy to have powered ships for thousands of years and windmills used to be/and still is in some places how we mill grain.
I watched the video.. you can drive 20 miles to work, leave it in the sun for 8 hours to charge, and should have enough to get home again (assuming it's a sunny day and you're not parked in the shade), so the 'free' solar-only charge is up to 40 miles a day (which he says in the video). According to that video you linked, the guy said the range is 250 miles, not 1,000 (and that's on a full electric charge, not just solar). I found another video with much of the same footage, and it wasn't until the very end the person who made the video said 1,000 mile range, but I never heard the guy who makes the cars say that, he only said 250 miles range, so I'm not sure what's going on there. Technically you could get 1,000 miles on solar only, but it would take you nearly a month to do it at 40 miles a day, and that's assuming it's sunny every day for that month, and all sorts of other optimizing conditions. The vehicle is in beta prototype stage and not in production yet, but they said maybe by the end of this year or into 2023. They are taking orders though. As far as sailing ships go, if the wind drops off, the ships stop moving. They relied on sailing ships way back because there was no alternative, not because wind was reliable. I used to do a lot of sailing, and wind is not something I would ever call reliable in most places. It's fickle, changeable, and certainly not reliable. Also, I would imagine 99.9999999999999% of the world's grain today is not ground by windmills. I like that they are working on making these cars more efficient though - in this case a large part of that is thanks to aerodynamics. Solar and battery tech needs to get a LOT more efficient and reliable to make it practical on a large scale though.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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The Tesla cyber truck seems to have some potential for some sort of hybrid wall/solar charging capacity due to it's awkward squared off angles and the flat bed of the truck. If it works, I could see more cars/trucks coming out with what seems to be odd looking design to us now in 2022. We'll have to wait and see. Windmills are tough and hearing that Bald Eagles and other birds are dying because of these. For anyone who has driven through Palm Springs, CA and seen the Windmill farms they are somewhat of an eyesore and half seem to be non functioning most of the time. Also as other have mentions, wind just isn't consistent. As far as sailing, mariners who sailed back in the day would avoid latitudes around the equator due to doldrums and getting stuck with no wind. Literally being stuck at see with only a small current pushing you nowhere was a sailor's biggest fear. While wind may be a good supplemental option, it has nowhere near the sustained capacity we need. We need to continue using current nuclear tech and push for tech breakthroughs like fusion.
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fossil fuel has its days numbered. we have to accept that! hydrogen? electric? or hybrid (both)? the first electrical car appeared over 100 years ago but strangely the world "decided" that it should adopt fossil fuel back then.. ( i do not have a clue why we did it tho..but i suspect lobby or similar shady interests back then) if we had invested in electric since the 1st electric car appeared i am sure the electric tech for cars would be much MUCH better today! Nuclear is great but.. the nuclear waste is a hazard! wind and solar power? we cant YET be very efficient with that unfortunately!
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Miguell the first electrical car appeared over 100 years ago but strangely the world "decided" that it should adopt fossil fuel back then.. ( i do not have a clue why we did it tho..but i suspect lobby or similar shady interests back then)
Because electric couldn't do what fuel could do. It was an obvious choice.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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bill1024 I think they forgot the Sun doesn’t shine at night and on cloudy/rainy days. The wind doesn’t blow 24/7 every day either. Genius pure genius.
Solar powered cars also have a battery and can be charged at an EV fueling station. One model can get 1,000 miles of range off of the battery and an additional 40 miles of driving per day off of solar and it’s available now according to CNET. Battery backup for solar have been used for decades and probably you have a calculator laying around somewhere with solar power with a battery backup.
https://youtu.be/iDX4mWP9TIU
As for wind farms they are a reliable enough source of energy to have powered ships for thousands of years and windmills used to be/and still is in some places how we mill grain.
I watched the video.. you can drive 20 miles to work, leave it in the sun for 8 hours to charge, and should have enough to get home again (assuming it's a sunny day and you're not parked in the shade), so the 'free' solar-only charge is up to 40 miles a day (which he says in the video). According to that video you linked, the guy said the range is 250 miles, not 1,000 (and that's on a full electric charge, not just solar). I found another video with much of the same footage, and it wasn't until the very end the person who made the video said 1,000 mile range, but I never heard the guy who makes the cars say that, he only said 250 miles range, so I'm not sure what's going on there. Technically you could get 1,000 miles on solar only, but it would take you nearly a month to do it at 40 miles a day, and that's assuming it's sunny every day for that month, and all sorts of other optimizing conditions. The vehicle is in beta prototype stage and not in production yet, but they said maybe by the end of this year or into 2023. They are taking orders though. As far as sailing ships go, if the wind drops off, the ships stop moving. They relied on sailing ships way back because there was no alternative, not because wind was reliable. I used to do a lot of sailing, and wind is not something I would ever call reliable in most places. It's fickle, changeable, and certainly not reliable. Also, I would imagine 99.9999999999999% of the world's grain today is not ground by windmills. I like that they are working on making these cars more efficient though - in this case a large part of that is thanks to aerodynamics. Solar and battery tech needs to get a LOT more efficient and reliable to make it practical on a large scale though.
The 250 mile range is the base model. They have a larger battery option that can do the 1000 mile range for larger trips. If it qualifies for the EV tax credit being that it's only three wheeled even the base model would be affordable for a lot of people in apartments. I was just impressed to see how well they say solar can do with modern technology and a car built from the ground up to be as energy efficient as possible. It makes me also wonder what happens if Ford, Toyota or GM start making solar cars like it as they have the funds to go beyond what a small start up is able to do. I think the other thing we will see with other energy sources is the use of battery backups on a large scale to get past times when it's not windy or during the night for solar. With any power source we need to try to make sure we are storing the unused energy rather than have power go to waste unused.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
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Hoggle The 250 mile range is the base model. They have a larger battery option that can do the 1000 mile range for larger trips. If it qualifies for the EV tax credit being that it's only three wheeled even the base model would be affordable for a lot of people in apartments. I was just impressed to see how well they say solar can do with modern technology and a car built from the ground up to be as energy efficient as possible. It makes me also wonder what happens if Ford, Toyota or GM start making solar cars like it as they have the funds to go beyond what a small start up is able to do. I think the other thing we will see with other energy sources is the use of battery backups on a large scale to get past times when it's not windy or during the night for solar. With any power source we need to try to make sure we are storing the unused energy rather than have power go to waste unused.
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Speaking of being affordable for people who live in apartments, yes, a large percentage of people in big cities like NYC, San Fran etc. do live in apartments. Most of them do not have private parking - you just have drive around hunting for a spot in the street and hope it's not too far from home (I live in Brooklyn, NYC). How are they going to charge their vehicles? Certainly can't rely on solar only. Regardless, being NYC, I could not imagine a vehicle like that lasting even one night parked on the street without it being stolen or at least vandalized. Those batteries are going to be a HUGE target for thieves too - they are worth way more than a catalytic converter, and look how those get targeted now. With a cost of $18k (after subsidy), it's going to be more beneficial and possibly cheaper to just dump them after 10+ years and get a nice new EV rather than replace the batteries and whatever else might need fixing. Great for the environment... /sarc.
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Nereus Speaking of being affordable for people who live in apartments, yes, a large percentage of people in big cities like NYC, San Fran etc. do live in apartments. Most of them do not have private parking - you just have drive around hunting for a spot in the street and hope it's not too far from home (I live in Brooklyn, NYC). How are they going to charge their vehicles? Certainly can't rely on solar only. Regardless, being NYC, I could not imagine a vehicle like that lasting even one night parked on the street without it being stolen or at least vandalized. Those batteries are going to be a HUGE target for thieves too - they are worth way more than a catalytic converter, and look how those get targeted now. With a cost of $18k (after subsidy), it's going to be more beneficial and possibly cheaper to just dump them after 10+ years and get a nice new EV rather than replace the batteries and whatever else might need fixing. Great for the environment... /sarc.
not to mention in may NYC place you Must move to the other side of the street in the early AM from the side you could use in the PM
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Miguell the first electrical car appeared over 100 years ago but strangely the world "decided" that it should adopt fossil fuel back then.. ( i do not have a clue why we did it tho..but i suspect lobby or similar shady interests back then)
Because electric couldn't do what fuel could do. It was an obvious choice.
it still cant do what fuel can. specially mileage autonomy! and they are super expensive! the world fell asleep on fossil fuel for some reason. well guess what? electric cars are coming now.. tons of pollution to produce the batteries, at a high price with a low mileage autonomy and after a few year throw some more thousands of euros/ dollars to the fire.. cause that's what a new battery will cost ya and it will depend on the quality of the car/battery i can already see on the horizon .. the future! .. as far as the eye can see junkyards of toxic leaking batteries on abandoned electric cars..
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Meh, I have one car that is 30 years old and still runs great and my other car and truck can last another 30 years. I am not going to worry about buying another car in my life time. Y’all can deal with the batteries and finding a place to plug it in. Or just buy a generator and put it on a trailer and tow it behind your electric car. Charge it as you drive!
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Miguell the first electrical car appeared over 100 years ago but strangely the world "decided" that it should adopt fossil fuel back then.. ( i do not have a clue why we did it tho..but i suspect lobby or similar shady interests back then)
Because electric couldn't do what fuel could do. It was an obvious choice.
it still cant do what fuel can. specially mileage autonomy! and they are super expensive! the world fell asleep on fossil fuel for some reason.
I meant distance and force. They couldn't go as far, as fast, or haul as much. Not even close. Still can't. 100 years ago, the better choice was obvious. No one would lose their livlihood for a cause that didn't exist.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/11 00:12:39
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Nereus Speaking of being affordable for people who live in apartments, yes, a large percentage of people in big cities like NYC, San Fran etc. do live in apartments. Most of them do not have private parking - you just have drive around hunting for a spot in the street and hope it's not too far from home (I live in Brooklyn, NYC). How are they going to charge their vehicles? Certainly can't rely on solar only. Regardless, being NYC, I could not imagine a vehicle like that lasting even one night parked on the street without it being stolen or at least vandalized. Those batteries are going to be a HUGE target for thieves too - they are worth way more than a catalytic converter, and look how those get targeted now. With a cost of $18k (after subsidy), it's going to be more beneficial and possibly cheaper to just dump them after 10+ years and get a nice new EV rather than replace the batteries and whatever else might need fixing. Great for the environment... /sarc.
It’s solar powered in a city like New York would be a problem as those skyscrapers are not very friendly for light hitting a solar panel. I think it will depend on how charging is done in the future as if it’s the same range as a tank of gas then I can see people being ok with going to a charging station. Maybe we could see the return of the drive in theater where people just go sit and watch a movie and leave with a fully charged car.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/11 06:44:46
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Nereus Definitely noticed utilities going up - our last 2 electricity bills have been the highest we've had in 20+ years living in Brooklyn, NYC, and we certainly have not been doing anything that would cause them to increase - our usage is as normal as it has always been (if not slightly less than normal). Gas was also up higher than ever over winter, yet we had a very mild winter and didn't use the gas heating nearly as much as we usually do in winter. I see California are telling everyone to cut electricity consumption drastically - including not charging their electric cars - or they will have rolling blackouts. This comes shortly after confirming a ban on all gas-powered cars over the next decade, lmao! How do they think their power grid is going to handle a massive increase in demand when currently only about 12% of vehicles in CA are electric, and their grid can't handle that? They've also dismantled their nuclear power stations, so guess how they're going to have to make it up? Coal and fossil fuels, because there is not anywhere near enough time to build the alternative infrastructure to cover that demand unless they use fossil fuels. Their green zealotry and virtue signalling have apparently made things worse than they would have been if they had not acted at all. Brilliant. Just wait until these millions of EV's need their batteries replaced in the next 5-10 years, and the massive environmental damage that is caused in both the manufacture and disposal of these batteries starts hitting home. The stupidity boggles the mind. I'm all for lessening our impact on the environment, but the tech just isn't there yet, and this has been clear to anyone without an agenda, but that doesn't get votes does it. Elections have consequences. Being a clueless voter also has consequences.
Most non-profit utilities increased kwH rates by double digits in 2022. Mine went up 14% I think. Just wait til the electric vehicles have more market share and recharge on residential power and thus avoid gas taxes that maintain roads. Whats the solution? Raise residential rates more? What about the customers that don't drive electric? Its going to be big ol cluster.
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/11 07:37:24
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Nereus Definitely noticed utilities going up - our last 2 electricity bills have been the highest we've had in 20+ years living in Brooklyn, NYC, and we certainly have not been doing anything that would cause them to increase - our usage is as normal as it has always been (if not slightly less than normal). Gas was also up higher than ever over winter, yet we had a very mild winter and didn't use the gas heating nearly as much as we usually do in winter. I see California are telling everyone to cut electricity consumption drastically - including not charging their electric cars - or they will have rolling blackouts. This comes shortly after confirming a ban on all gas-powered cars over the next decade, lmao! How do they think their power grid is going to handle a massive increase in demand when currently only about 12% of vehicles in CA are electric, and their grid can't handle that? They've also dismantled their nuclear power stations, so guess how they're going to have to make it up? Coal and fossil fuels, because there is not anywhere near enough time to build the alternative infrastructure to cover that demand unless they use fossil fuels. Their green zealotry and virtue signalling have apparently made things worse than they would have been if they had not acted at all. Brilliant. Just wait until these millions of EV's need their batteries replaced in the next 5-10 years, and the massive environmental damage that is caused in both the manufacture and disposal of these batteries starts hitting home. The stupidity boggles the mind. I'm all for lessening our impact on the environment, but the tech just isn't there yet, and this has been clear to anyone without an agenda, but that doesn't get votes does it. Elections have consequences. Being a clueless voter also has consequences.
Most non-profit utilities increased kwH rates by double digits in 2022. Mine went up 14% I think. Just wait til the electric vehicles have more market share and recharge on residential power and thus avoid gas taxes that maintain roads. Whats the solution? Raise residential rates more? What about the customers that don't drive electric? Its going to be big ol cluster.
Great point. Property taxes or utility surcharges maybe, which will increase the burden on homeowners, and landlords will have to increase their rental fees, which will only exacerbate the homeless problem. Ideally the only fair way would be to reflect the loss in gas taxes by significantly increasing the yearly cost to register an EV - but that would probably drive people away from buying EV's, so of course other people will have to shoulder the burden instead. Another option would be to do away with gas taxes entirely, and yearly vehicle registration fee could be based on odometer readings. Of course then people will just wind back their odometers...
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Re: Gas Prices / Also your prediction on prices in the future
2022/09/11 07:47:00
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Property taxes and fuel taxes shouldn't be co-mingled. One has nothing to do with the other.... but I bet they'll try! In the same stroke, $1 says DC allows tax exemptions that favor multifamily non-individual owners or corporate ownership in order to create more demand destruction.
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