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2018/05/12 01:48:29 (permalink)
so i made a small upgrade from my gtx 760 EVGA to a 970 SSC EVGA ACX 2.0
 
i see everywhere of people getting 110+ mhz on gpu clock and 500 and a little more on the mem clock. my gpu seems to be stalemating me like its nobodies business..
pwr target: 110%
tmp target: 91C
gpu clock: +80 (1446, i can get 1472 if i add 25 mV to it)
mem clock: +400
 
i know each card has slightly different capabilities but 20-50mhz seems like a substantial amount that im missing out on. not sure if its something im doing wrong or if there is a better overclocking program im using Precision XOC, version 6.2.7.
any advice or help i would appreciate it a lot :) thanks!
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    Dr.Death
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/12 07:23:33 (permalink)
    ''i see everywhere of people getting 110+ mhz on gpu clock and 500 and a little more on the mem clock. my gpu seems to be stalemating me like its nobodies business''
     
    1- luck of the draw and nature of your card
     
    2 - really?  take what ''everyone '' says with a grain of salt  ya, may claim higher and brag but then is it all day under everything stable  or used bios mod , ect,,,, ?   or like a review site receives a cherry picked card for the reviews kinda thing .
     
    3- may  try msi afterburner -  some get a better result  with it  . I got a better result with per-x  then after burner   then that's back to nature of YOUR card .
     
    voltage may not be as a factor as  the 275w  power limit in the end  . its a 300w card with a 6 and 8 pin  - pci-e -75w  6 pin -75w  8 pin- 150 = 300w ]
     
    from this your not even getting that 275w it should do  power input wise
    Board power limit
      Target: 201.0 W
      Limit: 222.0 W
      Adj. Range: -50%, +10%
    Thermal limits
      Rated: 79.5C
      Max: 91.0C
     
    ''this card comes with a base clock of 1,190MHz and a rated boost clock of 1,342MHz.''   that like 15% or so over reference  out of the box stock
     
    ''The boost clock was rated at 1,472MHz, and the card actually managed a little higher than this, hitting a constant 1,497MHz under load. We've seen other GTX 970s boost to over 1,500MHz a fair few times, but this is still an excellent result.''
     
    from that review you in the ball park at 1472   - like I said there not sending the retail card randomly picked up from newegg  for a  sales hype promotion review 
     
     
     
    ''so i made a small upgrade from my gtx 760 EVGA to a 970 SSC EVGA ACX 2.0''
     
    I got to assume your 970 was a used card you bought ?   if so may not look a gift horse in the mouth on the OC your getting  and you got a solid working card overall [??]
     
    I don't like to give too much oc advice and you go burn your card up / damage something  over it an I feel guilty  some what ...
     
    thing is you may get more out of it , but them is it  going  to be 24.7 under everything stable  ? see to me a lot of the bragging overclocks you see may not  and crashes under something they did not achieve that with
     
      thing is whats 1472 not running faster then stock boost ?  then is this a card you want to use long term and enjoy or a card that so what you smoke it trying  to push all you can from  it  and a  i'll just buy another easy to replace  ? its not like cards are cheap right now  if you oops it
     
     
    ol' sajin pops in here to help  he's pretty sharp on these things  he may can offer you a golden answer
     
     
    good luck 
     
     

     
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/12 08:07:55 (permalink)
    I bought two 970SSC's when they first came out.  One of them I could only add +13 to the core.  If I went the next increment up (+26), I would crash in almost everything that put a load on the card.  The memory I could add ~+100 - +120 if I didn't use any core OC.  If I used the +13MHz, the card would be stable with +90 max on the memory.
     
    My other card did somewhat better.  I could run stable in a range between +90 to +110 on the core and as high as +280 on the memory.
     
    It's all about the silicon lottery.  Also keep in mind that the SSC cards are already highly OC'd above factory stock clocks out of the box. 
     
     


     

     
     
     
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/12 11:49:45 (permalink)
    +110 isn't the important part. What the card is actually running at when the offset is applied is what matters most. Just because you see other people getting +110 doesn't mean they are getting a higher frequency than you.


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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/12 16:44:05 (permalink)
    ok makes sense. one other question i tried to read up on this a little and got confused cause of so many sources saying similar but not same things.
    my part number is 04g-p4-3979-kb and according to evga (  ) it should have a dual bios switch. mine does not. my card was made in 2016 if that makes a difference. this is MY first rig, if made some with my dad but he never went into extensive researching on parts he just bought whatever looked good and seemed like it should perform well. so i am trying to learn a little bit about a lot of parts.
     
    My rig right now is as follows:
    ASRock 970A-G/3.1
    FX - 9590 (yes i know its a nuclear reactor cpu but got a good deal on it and was trying to save some money. im not super impressed by it but after reading tons of reviews without having to severely overclock it there are some undervolting you can do to cool the temps, as well as boost a few mhz on some things to help sharpen it up, just didnt want to mess with it until i have enough money to replace parts if things go wrong.. lol)
    corsair H100i V2 240mm cooler (mounted to the front with the fans on the front side of the radiator. i found this to be slightly best to help cool the radiator)
    Coolmax 950w PSU (yes i know this is an avoid at all costs PSU and have a better one coming soon)
    corsair vengeance 4x4gb 1333mhz overclocked to 1600mhz (soon upgrading to either 2x8gb or 4x8gb corsair vengeance pro)
    EVGA GTX 970 SSC / also have a EVGA GTRX 760 (dad may be getting me a gtx 1080 as a gift here soon so ill prolly give him my 970 seeing as how expensive they are)
     
    anybody have any recomendations of upgrades for ram, gpu, and PSU?
     
     
    thanks everyone for the help!!
     
     
    (edit: also what kind of temps should i expect and what should it not exceed?)
    post edited by cocokid50036 - 2018/05/12 18:12:35
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/13 11:49:49 (permalink)
    Your dual bios switch should be located right here...
     

     
    Ram = Get G.skill or Corsair.
    PSU = Get a Seasonic.


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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/13 16:42:16 (permalink)
    ok thank you i appreciate it. i was looking at getting 4x8gb 2400mhz possibly of corsair vengeance pro without rgb
     
    my gpu also only has 6+6 pin power connectors..
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/14 06:40:25 (permalink)
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    ok thank you i appreciate it. i was looking at getting 4x8gb 2400mhz possibly of corsair vengeance pro without rgb
     
    my gpu also only has 6+6 pin power connectors..


    Your 970SSC is a bit different model than the two I have apparently.  I believe yours may have been the original model.  Here's the spec sheet on mine.  You'll notice 8 pin and 6 pin connectors and dual BIOS's mentioned in specs.

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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/14 07:25:52 (permalink)
    yeah thats the same Part Number as mine.. something i dont understand. kinda dissapointed by my gpu not having the dual bios switch even though the spec sheet of my part number says its supposed to..
     
    *edit: also i just realize when im gaming, played only CS GO, did the ingame benchmark of Rainbow 6: Siege, and ran heaven benchmark
     
     
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/14 15:55:40 (permalink)
    should not be the same part number then    the firsr aftermarket evga cards started with a 2   [ 04g-p4-''2''979-kb ]    1 = reference / blower  as the revisions come out the first number goes up to now a  [ ''3''979-kb ]  for a quick example  in the series  .
     
    now there were what was called and sold as ''best buy '' cards    where that difference may be between yours and a ''true'' evga card  ?  best buy has removed all there spec pages  , but it was ''shorted'' like you say
    https://www.bestbuy.com/site/evga-geforce-gtx-970-4gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card-black/2496109.p?skuId=2496109
    see here   
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Just-bought-a-GTX-970-SSC-from-Best-Buy-and-I-have-a-couple-quesitons-m2295147.aspx
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Beware-EVGA-board-partner-Best-Buy-m2412444.aspx
     
    lot of guys seen this the hard way   and I guess that best buy card was not the best buy after all ?    I guess anymore any evga item can be a buyer beware  item these days 
    post edited by Dr.Death - 2018/05/14 15:59:33
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 08:58:50 (permalink)
    yeah ive read about those, but this card was purchased from newegg. unless theyre doing the same thing then idk. still wondering why it shows 0% useage on my gpu
     
    thanks though :)
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 09:14:48 (permalink)
    Factory OC graphics cards are harder to OC manually.  Your system must be stable first.  This includes your AC power and the MB setup.  If you remove All OC from MB & RAM, run front side bus at stock speeds can the GPU clock higher ?  Temps also make a difference, colder is always better to get the most out of the GPU

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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 10:06:45 (permalink)
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    still wondering why it shows 0% useage on my gpu

    Using k-boost can cause the gpu usage to read 0% all the time.
     


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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 12:06:55 (permalink)
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    yeah ive read about those, but this card was purchased from newegg. unless theyre doing the same thing then idk. still wondering why it shows 0% useage on my gpu
     
    thanks though :)


    ya. I posted to a thread here on funny business on evga card from newegg   nnow I don't trust anything or what did I really buy at retail price .  thought I spent on new first quality   [ to what evga says there is no such thing as that ??]] wow....   its called a new card sold with out defect or needing to be recertified  or refurbished   as in a first quality card  .
     
    evga said to a guy cards boxed as mine was were recertified cards .  and this was bought from newegg as new   , not new recertified   or refurbished .    then he said I got a new card ? then why is it in a claimed  recertfied box  pr a referb box  and not what you called a retail new box ???    come on,,,,
     
    https://forums.evga.com/Is-this-new-or-refurbished-m2772921.aspx
     
    sad thing is you see evga stick there foot in there mouth a lot here , tell one guy this and the next guy that and all  ..  I'm not the only one who noticed this trend 
     
    ''Hmm, which seems to be contradictory to advice given out on this very forum no more than 6 days ago?'' [puddles ]
    https://forums.evga.com/New-980-ti-hybrid-radiator-fan-constantly-on-full-speed-m2453739.aspx
     
    to be honest seems now a days evga is buyer beware   no matter where you buy from  .  all you hope for is it lasts in till you want to replace it  if your lucky .  as its said  '' you get what you pay for  [and sometimes less ] ''  
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 12:41:30 (permalink)
    makes you second guess buying EVGA. i mean i never had an issue with my 5 year old 760 aside from the 3 heat pipes that dont make full contact with the chip.. thats a big rip on production side but oh well still performs well. but all these different models for the same card just makes things so confusing.. then you never know what one your getting cause you mightve funbled in all the confusion and ordered gpu B instead of your preferred gpu A then your screwed if you dont notice it in time.. its just all confusing and frustrating. i dont really have a problem with EVGA i just dont like their marketing schemes. look at ASUS how many different models of their ROG STRIX 1080 do they have? very few and it makes it easy to find the one you actually want and feel more confident about not being screwed. if having a $50 difference between dual bios or single bios (just throwing a number out there for effect) why even put the single bios out there? if its not a $200 difference why wast time money and frustration putting it out? just stresses the consumer out is all it does. i would gladly pony up the few extra dollars and KNOW im getting the dual bios not a single bios cause someone wanted to save a buck to make more money..
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 13:21:45 (permalink)
    ya, my old 2- 8800's from evga were great  and life time warrantee
     
    like the gtx 980 ti classy's  there wer like 5 or 6 of them ? why  heck one was just as good as a plain jane reference 980 ti at best .   like you said if your not careful and know what 980ti classy  was the one to get you could get hosed and end up with a 980 ti classy with no better then reference clocking  form a reference card  with a classy cooler and logo on it   .  [ there was a thread here over that ''good deal''  ]   a few guys got hosed on that one ..
     
    you know the oldest card I got still running today as well as it did new is a MSI 6600  agp x8 card     on a  amd  socket a board   [also MSI ]  when all else fails around here or hits the trash can  it can fire it right up and go  just like the first day I built it .
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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 13:52:17 (permalink)
    I got you beat.
    I have a TI4400 AGP4x still running in a 98se machine (some 1st gen athlon, lol).

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    Re: GTX 970 SSC overclocking complications.. 2018/05/16 14:19:36 (permalink)
    sweet ....
     
     
    I guess that was back when they used all jap components   instead of all china as cheap as they can now use to  get by with for 3 years worth of use at there highest retail pricing   .   now it don't seem many make it that long  and its  rma  time .lol...
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