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2017/09/13 04:15:57 (permalink)
Ever since I've gotten a GTX 1070 SC I've been having various problems with my PC when it comes to gaming. 
In most games I play the FPS is jumping from really high to really low all the time. 
I'll give a couple of examples. 
 
Example 1 is GTA V I'm running the game at 1920x1080 at max settings (apart from grass, AA and the advance features off as well as v-sync off) I can usually get an average of 55fps the max it will go to is 81 and the minimum I've seen in 23. I only experience low FPS in that game when I'm driving in the city. I've tested with lower settings and the max FPS i was getting on the lowest settings is 90.
 
Example 2 is Battlefield 4, in BF4 the FPS is all over the place, sometimes its at 120fps and other times it's at 30fps and dropping to the mid 20s this is all while on ultra @ 1920x1080
 
It's not just these games I'm having trouble with most games I play. The only game where I can maintain a steady frame rate is The Witcher 3 @ Ultra 1920x1080 (with hairworks on low) i get an average of 60 with occasional stuttering.
 
I've tried various solutions like tweaking the Nvidia control panel, using DDU to remove and then reinstall drivers, I've reinstalled Windows 10. I'm not sure what the problem is and any help would be appreciated.
 
Somethings I personally believe have attributed to this problem is the Windows 10 Creators Update (1703) which I'm not, I've heard It has had some problems when it comes to gaming or the face I may have a faulty GPU but I am unsure of how to tell if this is the case 
 
My Specs:
CPU: Intel I7-3770
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 SC
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X (4x4gb) 16GB
PSU: EVGA 750 G2
OS: Windows 10 Pro (Creators Update - 1703)
Storage: 1x 120GB SSD, 2x 2TB WD Black
 
(I will upload a photo of a GPU benchmark)

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    Ravenmaster
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/13 05:31:08 (permalink)
    Go into Windows 10 Settings/Gaming and take a look at the Game Bar/Game DVR/Game Mode. Switch them all OFF. Then open the Xbox App and look for the Game DVR setting in there too. Switch that OFF as well. Now test to see if your games play okay.
     
    The above settings are switched on by default and they have DVR recording all your gaming footage automatically. Essentially its there to allow you to record footage so you can stream it to youtube or twitch or capture key gaming moments. The trouble is, it takes a massive chunk of your FPS away because your GPU is having to do twice as much work.
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/13 10:10:34 (permalink)
    Sounds like your cpu could be throttling. A throttling cpu will cause your fps to be all over the place as the frequency on the cpu will be constantly adjusted due to the overheating.
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 01:05:42 (permalink)
    Ravenmaster
    Go into Windows 10 Settings/Gaming and take a look at the Game Bar/Game DVR/Game Mode. Switch them all OFF. Then open the Xbox App and look for the Game DVR setting in there too. Switch that OFF as well. Now test to see if your games play okay.
     
    The above settings are switched on by default and they have DVR recording all your gaming footage automatically. Essentially its there to allow you to record footage so you can stream it to youtube or twitch or capture key gaming moments. The trouble is, it takes a massive chunk of your FPS away because your GPU is having to do twice as much work.


    First thing I did when I did a fresh install a couple of days ago and it made a very slight difference (about 1-2 frames).
    Sajin
    Sounds like your cpu could be throttling. A throttling cpu will cause your fps to be all over the place as the frequency on the cpu will be constantly adjusted due to the overheating.


    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.
     
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 01:10:51 (permalink)
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    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.

    Yep, you're looking at the wrong thing. You need to be looking at the temperature of the cpu.


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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 01:19:00 (permalink)
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    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.

    Yep, you're looking at the wrong thing. You need to be looking at the temperature of the cpu.

    Ah, okay. 
    I used Core Temp to check the temperature of all my cores. I'll post a screenshot of it.
    I'm using a stock cooler would it make a difference if I upgraded my fans or should I just upgrade my CPU? 

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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 04:20:57 (permalink)
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    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.

    Yep, you're looking at the wrong thing. You need to be looking at the temperature of the cpu.

    Ah, okay. 
    I used Core Temp to check the temperature of all my cores. I'll post a screenshot of it.
    I'm using a stock cooler would it make a difference if I upgraded my fans or should I just upgrade my CPU? 


    If you want your processor to last next year you should definitely upgrade the HSF (Heatsink Fan) or go AIO. I had to Google (or is it google now?) the frequency of the 3770 and base is 3.5GHz, but because it's nearly melting it downclocks so it doesn't burn out, still affects it's life expectancy though. That's why it's not performing nearly as well as it should. I know the ivy/sandy bridges are hot but I haven't seen anything hit that high. My Tj max is 98 so I have no idea how it's able to get those temps without shutting down the PC. For comparison, I'm using a 2600K at 4.5GHz on an AIO (120 radiator) and rarely get above 55c. I live in the UK though so it's pretty damn cold here which helps drop it a few degrees.
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 04:29:01 (permalink)
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    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.

    Yep, you're looking at the wrong thing. You need to be looking at the temperature of the cpu.

    Ah, okay. 
    I used Core Temp to check the temperature of all my cores. I'll post a screenshot of it.
    I'm using a stock cooler would it make a difference if I upgraded my fans or should I just upgrade my CPU? 



    Boy, that's a hot CPU you got there.
    100ºC + is damn dangerous to your CPU to operate, not to say what Sajin mention before, about it throtling your performance because of excess of heat.
    I would at least replace the TIM on your CPU, and with urgency provide a better cooler for it.
    If not a hydro cooler, at least a better aftermarket air cooler heatsink.
     
    A Few suggestions if you're not fan of water cooling:
    - For 64 bucks on newegg (Noctua NH14S): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608041&cm_re=nh_u14s-_-35-608-041-_-Product
    - For 90 bucks on newegg (Noctua NHD15): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAADY44C6006&cm_re=nh_d15-_-35-608-045-_-Product

    If you're into AIO's:
    - Almight EVGA CLC 120 for only 70 bucks on newegg (damn nice price): https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835288007&cm_re=clc_120-_-35-288-007-_-Product
    - Corsair H50 for 50 bucks after MIR: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181010&cm_re=corsair_hydro_cooler-_-35-181-010-_-Product
    - Thermaltake Water 3.0 for 66 bucks: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835106337&cm_re=thermaltake_cooler-_-35-106-337-_-Product
     
     
    My personal opinion:
    I would prefer water cooler over air cooling.
    Usually it is more quiet and give you better performance over the stock fan.
    Some Aftermarket air cooler are pretty competitive with other water coolers.
     
    Either way, I posted some of Noctua's Air Cooler because they are the best out there (performance X noise), just be sure, when using these Air Coolers, some heatsinks might hit the RAM modules, so just make sure about your dimensions on the motherboard.

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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 09:43:11 (permalink)
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    CPU is ~30% when playing most games highest I've seen it while playing a game is 49% so it's not my CPU unless the CPU usage in task manager isn't what I'm meant to be reading.

    Yep, you're looking at the wrong thing. You need to be looking at the temperature of the cpu.

    Ah, okay. 
    I used Core Temp to check the temperature of all my cores. I'll post a screenshot of it.
    I'm using a stock cooler would it make a difference if I upgraded my fans or should I just upgrade my CPU? 


    Your cpu is overheating like I thought. Time to replace the thermal paste on the cpu, make sure the fan on the cpu cooler is spinning, and remove any dust that is on the cooler.


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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 10:40:11 (permalink)
    Yeah upgrading to a better HSF is not a bad idea, but it should not get nearly that hot with the stock HSF. 
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 14:05:43 (permalink)
    Yes, make sure the CPU fan is working and the cooler fins are clean as stated above..Apply new TIM such as ARCTIC MX-4 or another quality TIM if needed, and if not much better, get a better CPU cooler..Too much TIM can be as bad or worse than not enough, so just use a BB-sized drop in the center of the CPU..An i7-3770 processor throttles at 105C (TjMax) as shown in Core Temp and also shown in the Precision OSD Settings under 'CPU temperature' and 'CPU temperature-1'..You should change those default maximum temperatures to 10C below the TjMax and enable 'Play alarm sound when value is out of range'..After you enter each new numerical value in OSD Settings, press Enter (keyboard)..Everybody should have some kind of warning when temps get too high whether it be with EVGA Precision or Real Temp (has audible alarm too) or whatever and have it run at start up..Real Temp flags PROCHOT (throttling) events in the Thermal Status..A GTX 1070 chip will begin to throttle at 83C and the Maximum GPU Temperature is 94C, so I would set the alarm to 80C..Make sure the GPU isn't getting hot/throttling too.
     
    You can also set Real Temp to run a Shutdown.bat at a specified temperature so that should your CPU or GPU overheat while you're away (or otherwise) from your machine, it will initiate a normal shut down before critical temps are reached.
     
    Hopefully, getting the CPU temp down will fix your problem..Either way, it needs to be addressed right now..Airflow in your PC case may be bad too, take the side panel off and see if it matters much.

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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 19:42:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the help everyone. 
    I'm going to get a new HSF and see if that makes a difference.
    I also suspect my brother (who was the previous owner of the PC) didn't reapply any thermal paste because both the fan and the CPU are totally clean. 
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/14 20:27:51 (permalink)
    Omg that would absolutely make a difference, lol
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    Re: GTX 1070 SC Issues 2017/09/16 18:30:19 (permalink)
    Not suggested for long term use, but till you get some thermal paste or a new cooler in, you can use most anything that's spreadable with aluminum oxide in it. it was and probably still is the main ingredient in bargain barrel paste. Of particular note is diaper rash cream, it's not the best, but its just about as good as it gets for things that aren't actually meant for the job. even thermal pads from an old graphics card would be better than what you're rocking now.
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