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2021/03/24 15:19:56 (permalink)
https://www.pcgamesn.com/msi/gpu-price-hike

I can't really comment so just going to leave this here but sorry y'all.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/24 18:57:32 (permalink)
    Regardless of what these idiots say or use as a lame excuse, there is absolutely NO reason to price gouge consumers & the government should immediately place every company that does so out of business PERMANENTLY & place all their execs in prison for life with no chance of parole.
     
    I've been running my successful business for 45+ years & NEVER have any of my OEM distributors ever price gouged me over that time-frame & they have stated that it is despicable what some of the other companies are doing to their consumers. I get shipments of hdd, ram, video cards, motherboards, monitors, & other computer related items on a regular basis & prices have remained pretty much the same over decades with only slight marginal increases which is to be expected. Any company that doubles/triples their original MSRP due to lame pandemic excuses or short supply chains , etc. needs to be boycotted by everyone for life. Teach them with your pocket book/wallet :)
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/24 19:26:00 (permalink)
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    Regardless of what these idiots say or use as a lame excuse, there is absolutely NO reason to price gouge consumers & the government should immediately place every company that does so out of business PERMANENTLY & place all their execs in prison for life with no chance of parole.
     
    I've been running my successful business for 45+ years & NEVER have any of my OEM distributors ever price gouged me over that time-frame & they have stated that it is despicable what some of the other companies are doing to their consumers. I get shipments of hdd, ram, video cards, motherboards, monitors, & other computer related items on a regular basis & prices have remained pretty much the same over decades with only slight marginal increases which is to be expected. Any company that doubles/triples their original MSRP due to lame pandemic excuses or short supply chains , etc. needs to be boycotted by everyone for life. Teach them with your pocket book/wallet :)


    If only these weren't straight money printers LOL.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/24 23:48:40 (permalink)
    Well, i waited 10 years to rebuild, recently, so i figure if i wait 10 more this will all be straightened out by then.

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 04:06:36 (permalink)
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    Regardless of what these idiots say or use as a lame excuse, there is absolutely NO reason to price gouge consumers & the government should immediately place every company that does so out of business PERMANENTLY & place all their execs in prison for life with no chance of parole.
     
    I've been running my successful business for 45+ years & NEVER have any of my OEM distributors ever price gouged me over that time-frame & they have stated that it is despicable what some of the other companies are doing to their consumers. I get shipments of hdd, ram, video cards, motherboards, monitors, & other computer related items on a regular basis & prices have remained pretty much the same over decades with only slight marginal increases which is to be expected. Any company that doubles/triples their original MSRP due to lame pandemic excuses or short supply chains , etc. needs to be boycotted by everyone for life. Teach them with your pocket book/wallet :)




    It's the governments fault in the first place this is happening and you want more regulation?
    Not the brightest bulb on the string, are you?
     

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 06:33:29 (permalink)
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    phantomshroom
    Regardless of what these idiots say or use as a lame excuse, there is absolutely NO reason to price gouge consumers & the government should immediately place every company that does so out of business PERMANENTLY & place all their execs in prison for life with no chance of parole.
     
    I've been running my successful business for 45+ years & NEVER have any of my OEM distributors ever price gouged me over that time-frame & they have stated that it is despicable what some of the other companies are doing to their consumers. I get shipments of hdd, ram, video cards, motherboards, monitors, & other computer related items on a regular basis & prices have remained pretty much the same over decades with only slight marginal increases which is to be expected. Any company that doubles/triples their original MSRP due to lame pandemic excuses or short supply chains , etc. needs to be boycotted by everyone for life. Teach them with your pocket book/wallet :)




    It's the governments fault in the first place this is happening and you want more regulation?
    Not the brightest bulb on the string, are you?
     

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 06:46:24 (permalink)
    Truly...Is anyone really surprised by this?  Imagine how much more scalpers are going to want...
     
     

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 06:48:10 (permalink)
    You're delusional if you think the government is at fault.  Companies set their own prices & most abide by the competition act but some do work together to price fix certain items. Currently GPUs, PSUs, & RAM are increasing in price versus their MSRP values from late last year.
     
    If you don't run your own business then you are only speculating because my invoices proves that only despicable companies are price gouging & no one here should be supporting them by buying their products. We have laws protecting price gouging (mainly for essential items like food/medical care/services/etc.) but anyone that can prove companies are price fixing can submit a claim & the company will be severely fined. I am sure USA & other countries have similar laws. I have no issues obtaining ANY bulk computer parts from my distributors at normal prices so that proves only sleazebag companies are doubling/tripling their prices & claiming manufacturing supplies are limited.
    https://www.mondaq.com/canada/dodd-frank-consumer-protection-act/963318/price-gouging-prohibitions-across-canada
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/c...rice-gouging-1.5806500
    https://www.competitionchronicle.com/2020/07/price-gouging-prohibitions-across-canada/
     
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 07:45:41 (permalink)
    You're also delusional if you think this is going to go away *next* generation. This is the new normal. Until OEMS take it upon themselves to somehow screen buyers, this is it, miners and scalpers are going to rule the market since yields and production are in no way going to exceed demand.



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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 08:06:17 (permalink)
    No one said that this was going to go away, anywhere in this discussion. You are injecting comments that don't exist. I think wmmills comment was a sarcastic one wanting to wait another 10 years :o)
     
    I don't know if all OEM distributors are like mine but I signed a contract with them that states my POs are strictly for my business clients machines & that I am NOT permitted to resell items to make big profits, nor to resell to other retail outlets. Lots of fine print in the contract & they update it regularly to adjust to different conditions that exist at that time. Prime example of their adjustments was when I regularly ordered 10 cases of TY DVDs (10 spindles of 100 DVDs per spindle per case so 1000 per case total) many decades ago, things changed & TY discs were no longer available so they took it off their price lists.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 08:41:03 (permalink)
    Oh, we're getting scammed all right... and not just by  the video card manufacturers..

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 09:07:48 (permalink)
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    No one said that this was going to go away, anywhere in this discussion. You are injecting comments that don't exist. I think wmmills comment was a sarcastic one wanting to wait another 10 years :o)
     
    I don't know if all OEM distributors are like mine but I signed a contract with them that states my POs are strictly for my business clients machines & that I am NOT permitted to resell items to make big profits, nor to resell to other retail outlets. Lots of fine print in the contract & they update it regularly to adjust to different conditions that exist at that time. Prime example of their adjustments was when I regularly ordered 10 cases of TY DVDs (10 spindles of 100 DVDs per spindle per case so 1000 per case total) many decades ago, things changed & TY discs were no longer available so they took it off their price lists.

    I respect everyone's comment here, right or wrong, but this is.how they perceive it.
    You follow protocols and what the contract says, there are other business like yours out there and i am pretty sure they are not following what they signed.
    I was going to buy a prebuild in Cyberpowerpc but i am backing off, they are price gauging also, mind you i wont receive my build by June 8, 2021.😡
    I'll wait, i am going to play my luck with the 3080Ti lunch and see if.i get lucky on getting one😼

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 11:43:44 (permalink)
    The semiconductor shortage has caused prices to go up. Some are legitimate but others are not. 

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/25 17:15:26 (permalink)
    Also, don't think for a moment nvidia/amd/intel aren't watching and noting just how much people are willing to plop down for even a mediocre card at this point. Even when the supply chain finally gets sorted out I don't expect the prices to really drop much.

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/29 05:30:50 (permalink)
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    Also, don't think for a moment nvidia/amd/intel aren't watching and noting just how much people are willing to plop down for even a mediocre card at this point. Even when the supply chain finally gets sorted out I don't expect the prices to really drop much.


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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/29 06:34:21 (permalink)
    that Fab fire that happened was worse than they thought 17 machines are out instead of 11
     
    so there will be more shortages


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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/03/29 12:16:45 (permalink)
    2019: “we’re going to shut down China from ever making top of the line semiconductors!”

    2021: ...

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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/02 08:21:02 (permalink)
    here's the new trend.... in 1 image!
     
    good luck to you all in the future... 
     
     


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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/02 22:47:57 (permalink)
    looking everyday - multiple times daily and nothing
    id really like to get  two 3090 ultra hydrocopper  - but I can't even get on a queue there
     
    now if someone had a waterblock version avail with both sides watercooled - id jump at that
     
    need to find a 3rd 3090 here soon
     
     
     
     
     


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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 00:13:53 (permalink)

     
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    i am going to play my luck with the 3080Ti lunch and see if.i get lucky on getting one😼



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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 10:39:44 (permalink)
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 14:20:58 (permalink)
    after evga raised prices i have simply abandoned the idea of a new card
     
    better shot at other components
     
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 18:04:04 (permalink)
    At this point it doesn't really matter how Nvidia or AMD innovates if no consumer can buy their products. Will be interesting to see how tone deaf they are touting features when us consumer peasants are all only able to see them in pictures on the internet.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 18:19:39 (permalink)
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    At this point it doesn't really matter how Nvidia or AMD innovates if no consumer can buy their products. Will be interesting to see how tone deaf they are touting features when us consumer peasants are all only able to see them in pictures on the internet.




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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/04 19:55:42 (permalink)
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    At this point it doesn't really matter how Nvidia or AMD innovates if no consumer can buy their products. Will be interesting to see how tone deaf they are touting features when us consumer peasants are all only able to see them in pictures on the internet.


    Yes well... our trade war with China has consequences and they are far bigger than who gets to play the latest video games.

    Some might argue that relying on China for semiconductors risks national security... what about having no source at all for those semiconductors?

    Not to get off topic but our biggest, most lethal, military adversary doesn’t use the types of semiconductors that we use in our military and they are completely unaffected (see: Russia, analog semiconductors).

    Now here we sit. Cars, devices, gpu’s... all shut down.

    Shutting down China’s semiconductor build-out only means temporarily keeping them from the latest and greatest while the world is choked off from much needed supply.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/06 13:20:00 (permalink)
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    At this point it doesn't really matter how Nvidia or AMD innovates if no consumer can buy their products. Will be interesting to see how tone deaf they are touting features when us consumer peasants are all only able to see them in pictures on the internet.


    Yes well... our trade war with China has consequences and they are far bigger than who gets to play the latest video games.

    Some might argue that relying on China for semiconductors risks national security... what about having no source at all for those semiconductors?

    Not to get off topic but our biggest, most lethal, military adversary doesn’t use the types of semiconductors that we use in our military and they are completely unaffected (see: Russia, analog semiconductors).

    Now here we sit. Cars, devices, gpu’s... all shut down.

    Shutting down China’s semiconductor build-out only means temporarily keeping them from the latest and greatest while the world is choked off from much needed supply.

    It's not the trade war's fault. It's the corporations looking for the cheapest place to manufacture which ended up being Taiwan. The risk to the whole world is huge if anything ever happened to Taiwan.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/06 17:03:47 (permalink)
    Shortage of $1 display driver chips is causing production delays for everything with a screen
     
    Why it matters: The global semiconductor industry was worth $439 billion in 2020, and is on track to grow even bigger this year. However, that growth potential is being eroded by a shortage of $1 chips that are essential for every display panel that needs to be manufactured.
    A global shortage of chips has wreaked havoc on the supply chains of the tech and auto industries. This has caused many companies to scale back production at a time when demand is soaring for their products. This is the result of a combination of factors, and the current situation will probably not change until the end of next year.
     
    According to a Bloomberg report, there is now a serious shortage of display driver chips that is creating headaches for manufacturers of LCD and OLED panels. This in turn will affect all manner of consumer devices, from the lowly smartwatch to smartphones, tablets, laptops, computer monitors, TVs, smart appliances, and infotainment systems. Every new car or plane comes with one or more display panels, which only adds to the demand.
     
    Interestingly, these are not the most expensive chips you can manufacture, such as the CPUs, GPUs, or the SoCs that go inside gaming consoles or mobile devices, which are complex and can cost between $100 to $1,000 or more for a single unit. Display driver chips, on the other hand, are relatively simple part that translate signals from your device into actual images on your screen, and cost around $1.
     
    That's not to say that display driver ICs are not important, but companies don't need to use their most advanced process nodes to manufacture them. For instance, it's not uncommon for these chips to be made using 16 nm, 28 nm, 40 nm, or 95 nm process nodes. Some foundries such as SMIC even make 160 nm and 300 nm display driver chips for use in applications where power consumption is not a major concern.
     
    Nevertheless, the shortage of these driver chips will likely cause further delays and price hikes for products that are currently in high demand, and the manufacturers of these chips don't see a solution in sight.
     
     
    https://www.techspot.com/...production-delays.html
     


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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/07 05:51:28 (permalink)
    It's as if no one is  in charge of the supply chain for these companies.
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    Re: GPU Price Hikes (Again) 2021/04/07 17:48:28 (permalink)
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    Shortage of $1 display driver chips is causing production delays for everything with a screen
     
    Why it matters: The global semiconductor industry was worth $439 billion in 2020, and is on track to grow even bigger this year. However, that growth potential is being eroded by a shortage of $1 chips that are essential for every display panel that needs to be manufactured.
    A global shortage of chips has wreaked havoc on the supply chains of the tech and auto industries. This has caused many companies to scale back production at a time when demand is soaring for their products. This is the result of a combination of factors, and the current situation will probably not change until the end of next year.
     
    According to a Bloomberg report, there is now a serious shortage of display driver chips that is creating headaches for manufacturers of LCD and OLED panels. This in turn will affect all manner of consumer devices, from the lowly smartwatch to smartphones, tablets, laptops, computer monitors, TVs, smart appliances, and infotainment systems. Every new car or plane comes with one or more display panels, which only adds to the demand.
     
    Interestingly, these are not the most expensive chips you can manufacture, such as the CPUs, GPUs, or the SoCs that go inside gaming consoles or mobile devices, which are complex and can cost between $100 to $1,000 or more for a single unit. Display driver chips, on the other hand, are relatively simple part that translate signals from your device into actual images on your screen, and cost around $1.
     
    That's not to say that display driver ICs are not important, but companies don't need to use their most advanced process nodes to manufacture them. For instance, it's not uncommon for these chips to be made using 16 nm, 28 nm, 40 nm, or 95 nm process nodes. Some foundries such as SMIC even make 160 nm and 300 nm display driver chips for use in applications where power consumption is not a major concern.
     
    Nevertheless, the shortage of these driver chips will likely cause further delays and price hikes for products that are currently in high demand, and the manufacturers of these chips don't see a solution in sight.
     
     
    https://www.techspot.com/...production-delays.html
     




     
    already read about it.. global shortage... 
    and they are already warning people... so get your wallets stuffed and vital organs ready  for the taking...
    prices will not just skyrocket this time but will indeed enter orbit and reach MARS!!
     
    this is really really bad!
    i just hope my cellphone and PC lasts for the next 5 to 8 years...
     
    cause i can live without a TV in my home...

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