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2018/09/14 00:29:18 (permalink)
I picked up FFXV a couple of weeks ago. I'm playing at 3440x1440 with G-Sync on, 1080 Ti FTW3 and with graphic settings at high-ultra with none of the Nvidia gameworks features on. In some areas of the game world I can get a relatively easy 80-90 fps and in more vegetative areas as low as 70 fps. The biggest problem is in battles with large amounts of enemy's or monsters. Most of the battle will sit at around 70 fps but frequently there are large framedrops as low as 40-50 fps and these are felt quite badly. It seems to correlate with certain weapon effects or lot's of stuff of screen. Is the 1080 Ti struggling with this graphics work at this resolution or could it be bad optimization of the games effects, battle mechanics etc? I've haven't experienced such jarring framedrops in most of my games at this resolution with the 1080 Ti up until this game and am slightly disappointed this could spoil FFXV.
 
This video I took is an example. At 0.26 where I strike a hammer the frames drop sharply from 70-40-44 fps. 
https://youtu.be/aaXap4Hp7Z8
 
 


 
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/14 07:34:40 (permalink)
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    I picked up FFXV a couple of weeks ago. I'm playing at 3440x1440 with G-Sync on, 1080 Ti FTW3 and with graphic settings at high-ultra with none of the Nvidia gameworks features on. In some areas of the game world I can get a relatively easy 80-90 fps and in more vegetative areas as low as 70 fps. The biggest problem is in battles with large amounts of enemy's or monsters. Most of the battle will sit at around 70 fps but frequently there are large framedrops as low as 40-50 fps and these are felt quite badly. It seems to correlate with certain weapon effects or lot's of stuff of screen. Is the 1080 Ti struggling with this graphics work at this resolution or could it be bad optimization of the games effects, battle mechanics etc? I've haven't experienced such jarring framedrops in most of my games at this resolution with the 1080 Ti up until this game and am slightly disappointed this could spoil FFXV.
     
    This video I took is an example. At 0.26 where I strike a hammer the frames drop sharply from 70-40-44 fps. 
    https://youtu.be/aaXap4Hp7Z8
     
     




    Considering just a cursory Google Fu shows a massive amounts of complaints with frame rate drops during battle, I'd say it's both a game and issue. Look at it this way, Fallout 4? I can't max it out at 4K and stay over 50 FPS in large areas of the game, without AA and reducing shadows. Doom 2016? I can max every single setting at 4K and never drop under 80 FPS   That you're saying 'when there's lots of effects on the screen' is when I seen FPS drops..well, not too seem snarky, but isn't that exactly what always happens?    Also, what is your CPU utilization? Are you overclocking? CPU Temps?

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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/14 09:00:57 (permalink)
    Sounds like a CPU limitation. Effects that you're describing are typically calculated by the CPU, and then sent to the GPU. Try turning down some effects settings, lower CPU/RAM overclocks (or even set stock clocks), etc.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/14 17:46:04 (permalink)
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    Considering just a cursory Google Fu shows a massive amounts of complaints with frame rate drops during battle, I'd say it's both a game and issue. Look at it this way, Fallout 4? I can't max it out at 4K and stay over 50 FPS in large areas of the game, without AA and reducing shadows. Doom 2016? I can max every single setting at 4K and never drop under 80 FPS   That you're saying 'when there's lots of effects on the screen' is when I seen FPS drops..well, not too seem snarky, but isn't that exactly what always happens?    Also, what is your CPU utilization? Are you overclocking? CPU Temps?




    I would expect some fps drops "when there's lots of effects on the screen" but these seem jarring, more so to the point that they seem unusual. It seems like the game is not well optimized. In one area where I walk through a small lake/puddle the fps drops to 55 fps, there's hardly anything on screen except the small puddle. Then when I turn around and look out to the wider large lake area the fps shoots up to 80 fps. 
     
    The game seems more GPU driven than CPU. CPU utilization is only around 30% and as high as 50%. 8700K @ 4.9Ghz, max temps 68-70C, avg 50-58C.
     


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/14 17:51:37 (permalink)
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    Sounds like a CPU limitation. Effects that you're describing are typically calculated by the CPU, and then sent to the GPU. Try turning down some effects settings, lower CPU/RAM overclocks (or even set stock clocks), etc.




    I thought that the CPU would be doing more work here also but it appears at least that the GPU is bearing the brunt of everything.. Lowering graphics settings don't appear to do a lot for the framerate, at least in the battles. Dialing everything back I still get the jarring drops during battle.


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/15 07:03:01 (permalink)
    Did you try removing all overclocks or not?
     
    Unstable overclocks can cause issues like you are experiencing.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/15 17:10:38 (permalink)
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    Did you try removing all overclocks or not?
     
    Unstable overclocks can cause issues like you are experiencing.




    I haven't but I will and report back.


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/15 17:55:39 (permalink)
    There is an issue where the framerate drops right off briefly, at the same time GPU utilization drops by half (99%-50%) What would cause a sudden drop in utilization like that?


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/15 22:18:29 (permalink)
    Are you running anything like PrecisionX OC to monitor the card? Try disabling power monitoring, and re-check your framerates. I tested this in WoW, and my frame rates smoothed out considerably. 
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/15 22:46:14 (permalink)
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    Are you running anything like PrecisionX OC to monitor the card? Try disabling power monitoring, and re-check your framerates. I tested this in WoW, and my frame rates smoothed out considerably. 




    I am running PXOC.. Have a small overclock on the GPU clock and of course for fan control. This afternoons gameplay was quite smooth, changes made were disabling the overclock I had on Vram to default (no OC). I am not using PXOC's OSD in game and I think I currently have HWM paused (in PXOC) Where do I disable power monitoring?
     


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 02:49:14 (permalink)
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    Are you running anything like PrecisionX OC to monitor the card? Try disabling power monitoring, and re-check your framerates. I tested this in WoW, and my frame rates smoothed out considerably. 




    I am running PXOC.. Have a small overclock on the GPU clock and of course for fan control. This afternoons gameplay was quite smooth, changes made were disabling the overclock I had on Vram to default (no OC). I am not using PXOC's OSD in game and I think I currently have HWM paused (in PXOC) Where do I disable power monitoring?
     




    In the hardware monitoring screen, click on the GPU1, then in the drop-down, un-check "Normalized Power". 
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 05:05:02 (permalink)
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    In the hardware monitoring screen, click on the GPU1, then in the drop-down, un-check "Normalized Power". 




    Interesting, I will try that out.
     
    I am still getting these occasional sudden drops in GPU utilization, maybe 1-2 times each session. The frame rate will suddenly halt appearing as a dragging effect and shortly after the OSD registers the drop in GPU utilization from 99% - 50%. Would you have any idea what might be causing that? This game is hugely GPU demanding but my power supply and card temperatures all seem in check.  
     


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 05:56:10 (permalink)
    Anything running in the background? Virus scan, Windows defender? Is shadowplay/streaming disabled in the Geforce Experience? Is the Xbox DVR/Game Bar disabled? 
     
    Is it still only happening in battles, or out in the open with minimal action? 
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 20:21:20 (permalink)
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    Anything running in the background? Virus scan, Windows defender? Is shadowplay/streaming disabled in the Geforce Experience? Is the Xbox DVR/Game Bar disabled? 
     
    Is it still only happening in battles, or out in the open with minimal action? 




    Actually both the Geforce Experience overlay and the Windows Game Bar have been enabled, I can try disabling both.. I am setting Windows focus assist to Alarms only which should prevent any background disruption.. I suppose there is some chance that Windows Defender could initiate a scan in the background, otherwise software running in the background is Corsair iCUE and Creative Soundblaster Connect. 
     
    On some occasions that sudden drop in GPU utilization is occurring while running around in the open (no battles). On the other hand I experienced another drop during a big big battle at an enemy base last night, tons of graphical effects on screen and a lot of action. I might try to see if the voltage drops also when this occurs.. Could this be a power delivery issue? Overclock related? 


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 21:19:19 (permalink)
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    On some occasions that sudden drop in GPU utilization is occurring while running around in the open (no battles). On the other hand I experienced another drop during a big big battle at an enemy base last night, tons of graphical effects on screen and a lot of action. I might try to see if the voltage drops also when this occurs.. Could this be a power delivery issue? Overclock related? 

    Could be a faulty hdd/ssd. Try running the game off another storage device.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 21:27:56 (permalink)
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    On some occasions that sudden drop in GPU utilization is occurring while running around in the open (no battles). On the other hand I experienced another drop during a big big battle at an enemy base last night, tons of graphical effects on screen and a lot of action. I might try to see if the voltage drops also when this occurs.. Could this be a power delivery issue? Overclock related? 

    Could be a faulty hdd/ssd. Try running the game off another storage device.



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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 22:27:29 (permalink)
    any file corrupted would be replaced due to failing checksum verification.

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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/16 22:52:47 (permalink)
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    any file corrupted would be replaced due to failing checksum verification.




    In other words all files should be in good condition after being verified?


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/17 01:10:57 (permalink)
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    any file corrupted would be replaced due to failing checksum verification.




    In other words all files should be in good condition after being verified?

    Yep.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/17 01:49:47 (permalink)
    Righty, any ideas on the utilization drop then? I will the put voltage in the OSD to check whether that suddenly falls off also.


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/17 04:19:24 (permalink)
    There's definitely no voltage drop, don't know why I thought I'd look as that would indicate a serious problem. Everything looks normal, maximum voltage, GPU clock speed etc. It's just the utilization itself that drops off suddenly by 50% causing the fps to freeze momentarily. Fps wasn't significantly better with Shadow Play and game bar disabled and the above is still an issue.. 


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/17 09:03:54 (permalink)
    Turn off all OSD for the game and exit out off PXOC. Run HWnFO64 in the back ground and play your game. Check what was recorded after a session. Perhaps alt/tab out of the game and hit the refresh stats just after starting your session just to get a loaded stats run
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/17 20:00:50 (permalink)
    Have you added FFXV to the Programs on the NVCP Manage 3D settings TAB? and set FFVX to PREFER MAXIMUM POWER....
     
    I only have the Demo but had to do that.....
     
    The Power monitor thing is a bug in the Current Nvidia Drivers including 399.24 from reading the PDF/Notes

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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/20 15:08:15 (permalink)
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    Righty, any ideas on the utilization drop then? I will the put voltage in the OSD to check whether that suddenly falls off also.


    Sounding like a game issue at this point.
     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/21 05:47:30 (permalink)
    I think there is a high chance it being a game issue also, there are all sorts of weird behavior going on in this game. One minute I walk into a caravan and dip to 75 fps, the next time at the same caravan or one similar it's 90 fps. I wonder if thermals could be an issue also though. I'm running anywhere between 65-70C. My clocks drop down from 2000Mhz to as low as 1964Mhz above 65C and the fps does always seem lower at 1964Mhz. Is 35Mhz off the clock enough to drop a few frames? I also can't seem to maintain much over a 100% power target, I get 111% max but average around 100%. Is that a thermal limitation? Power target is set to 127% and voltage slider on max but this game get's hot... 
     
    That sudden drop in GPU utilization causing the halt/drag in fps just appears in random places, it happened about three times in one hour. With the power usage up in the OSD I could see that power also drops at the same time, to around 60%. 


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/21 11:31:01 (permalink)
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    Is 35Mhz off the clock enough to drop a few frames? I also can't seem to maintain much over a 100% power target, I get 111% max but average around 100%. Is that a thermal limitation?

    Like half a frame. No.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/21 17:49:08 (permalink)
    This is an issue with the game optimization. It sucks at balancing out a polygon workload and locking down a frame rate. It relied to much on adaptive resolution on consoles and sadly did not support it on PC.
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/21 18:19:49 (permalink)
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    This is an issue with the game optimization. It sucks at balancing out a polygon workload and locking down a frame rate. It relied to much on adaptive resolution on consoles and sadly did not support it on PC.




    Thanks for the info jeffmd. Can you further elaborate what that means for the PC version?


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/22 04:59:45 (permalink)
    Well first FFXV crash. It was the same situation in which the fps came to a grinding halt except this time it actually crashed.. It occurred seconds after Iris performed one of her special techniques in battle, a kind of spin in the air and then a crushing blow. It was the FFXV.exe that crashed.. Could this still be related to an unstable GPU or other system component or just one of the bugs in this game?   


     
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    Re: Framerate drops in FFXV 2018/09/22 06:27:41 (permalink)
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    Well first FFXV crash. It was the same situation in which the fps came to a grinding halt except this time it actually crashed.. It occurred seconds after Iris performed one of her special techniques in battle, a kind of spin in the air and then a crushing blow. It was the FFXV.exe that crashed.. Could this still be related to an unstable GPU or other system component or just one of the bugs in this game?   


    Hi,
    It's just the game
    I was surprised on how few people did really well on 8700k on the FFXV benchmark where as they did quite well on FF stormblood
    The difference was day and night.
    Either high clocks or high cache kills it is about all I can figure
    I did better at 4.6 and max cache at 38 on x99 or x299 at 4.8 and max cache at 30.
     
    I might add I'm not really a fps counter
    I notice stalls and if everything is fluid I ready don't care what the fps are fluid is more important.
    post edited by ThrashZone - 2018/09/22 06:37:04

    My first build,
    Case 450D/ ASUS Sabertooth X99/ 5930k with EK mono block / Water loop EK 280p-GTX240 radiators with D5 pump res combo before rads and D5 top after / Trident-Z 3200C14 4x8gb/ EVGA 1000 P2/ EVGA 1080ti FTW3 with EK copper water block.
     
    2nd build,
    Case D450/ ASUS x299 Prime Deluxe/ i9-7900x delidded with EK mono block/ Trident-Z 3600C16 4x8gb/ Water loop EK-280p-GTX240 radiators with D5 pump-res combo before rads and D5 top after/ EVGA 1200 P2 / Titan Xp with EK water block.
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