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2019/12/01 11:43:56 (permalink)
XFX AMD Radeon VII 16GB HBM2, 1750 MHz Boost, 1801 MHz Peak, 3xDP 1xHDMI Pci-E 3.0 $569.99 Running on Air. Now $529.99
Shipped EK-Vector Radeon VII RGB - Nickel + Plexi ($95.99) (Now $79.99) + EK-Vector Radeon VII Backplate - Nickel ($29.99) Both for less than $150 or €113.81
Installed on;
Motherboard EVGA X299 DARK, 151-SX-E299-KR, LGA 2066
CPU Intel Core i9-7920X Skylake X 12-Core 2.9 GHz
Memory G.SKILL 4x Ripjaws V Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) F4-3600C17Q-32GVK
Replaced the EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FE Graphics Card with the EK Water Block and Back Plate.
 
So far I had to Down Clock the GPU to Fold on this Graphics Card.
Running for about 12 hours now and have had 5 Complete and 6 9 12 Failed so far.
GPU Temperatures are only 45°C - 55°C or less but the Hot Spot is seeing 65°C - 75°C.
Fans running 90% or 3850 RPM Voltage 1.100V Memory 920 MHz to 1000 MHz and the GPU Clock running at 1390 MHz - 1770 MHz.
The AMD Radeon VII Runs at about the same as a NVIDIA GTX 1080 Ti Graphics Card.
Stock Settings
 
I did not see any issues with Crunching BOINC GPU Projects, None.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 14:10:07 (permalink)
    I was getting up to 1.8 million PPD on mine with core 21, no bad tasks at all.
    Why are they failing?
     
    The high temp, not sure why they even show it. It can be as much as 115 or more and be in spec.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 14:19:53 (permalink)
    Temperatures seem fine and dropping to 1700 did not help so I will drop down to 1600 now and maybe drop the Memory now as well to maybe
    All I see is this error
    21:45:00:WU00:FS00:0x21:Bad State detected... attempting to resume from last good checkpoint. Is your system overclocked?
    21:45:00:WU00:FS00:0x21:ERROR:114: Max Retries Reached
    21:45:01:WU00:FS00:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:FAULTY project:11714 run:0 clone:5695 gen:13 core:0x21 unit:0x000000188ca304f15b21ad260adb7945
    22:12:24:WARNING:WU00:FS00:FahCore returned: BAD_WORK_UNIT (114 = 0x72)
    22:12:24:WU00:FS00:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:FAULTY project:14285 run:0 clone:49 gen:93 core:0x21 unit:0x0000006a80fccb0a5d9e117bca1c5d78
    But I am not overclocking the Graphics Card.
    Boost Clock - 1750MHz
    Peak Clock - 1801 MHz
    May I should remove the Beta Flag....
    Running this now.
     Dropped to 1600 MHz and the Memory to 800 MHz
     

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 15:07:53 (permalink)
    What program are you using to raise and lower clock speed?
    I ran mine at stock 1800 and lowered the voltage to 1025 and used wattman in the AMD driver package with a plus 10 on the power setting
    I left the memory at stock 1000

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 15:09:00 (permalink)
    On these cards it is good to drop the voltage some. Helps most with temps

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 15:30:14 (permalink)
    Current Settings being used.

     
    Default Settings.

     
    I will keep the Default settings on the next WU and set the Core Voltage to 1025 and see how it goes.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 16:27:11 (permalink)
     

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 17:27:29 (permalink)
    It dumped
    01:22:40:WU00:FS00:0x21:Folding@home Core Shutdown: BAD_WORK_UNIT
    01:22:41:WARNING:WU00:FS00:FahCore returned: BAD_WORK_UNIT (114 = 0x72)
    01:22:41:WU00:FS00:Sending unit results: id:00 state:SEND error:FAULTY project:14285 run:0 clone:75 gen:95 core:0x21 unit:0x0000006c80fccb0a5d9e117de94b023a
     
    1902958919289743651    5    RADAR_PRE_LEAK_64    Not available    0    FahCore_21.exe    0.0.0.0    10.0.18363.2.0.0
     0    99d2553e-7552-46f8-a3b2-fbd5dce9979e    268435456    36560a8153c75a4b3a68ab0e066d2923    0 Fault bucket 1902958919289743651, type 5 Event Name: RADAR_PRE_LEAK_64 Response: Not available Cab Id: 0
    Problem signature: P1: FahCore_21.exe P2: 0.0.0.0 P3: 10.0.18363.2.0.0 P4:
     
    Running this now.
    I set the client-type to advanced as well.

     
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/01 21:23:14 (permalink)
    What ver of catalyst driver software?
    How many GPU monitoring software do you have running at once? They say running more than one can cause issues.
    Maybe close all of those programs, use the wattman that comes in the MD package.
    It is under games then the tab to the right, it is the middle tab.
    Try leaving GPU and mem at stock, up the voltage some to 1070 use the fan section to set a fan curve.
    Try setting the power to 0 or -10 and see if that helps.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 06:25:56 (permalink)
    So far the Settings Posted in #8 worked for the last 10 hours or so.
    The Driver I am running is win10-64bit-radeon-software-adrenalin-2019-edition-19.11.3-nov18.
    Have to look to see if and what version Catalyst is installed. I am not seeing Catalyst installed.
    GPU-Z and Aida64 Extreme
    I will look at the Game Settings after this WU Completes under the Adrenalin Driver.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 07:47:23 (permalink)
    I did get this just now;
    14:03:00:WU00:FS00:0x21:Completed 300000 out of 7500000 steps (4%)
    14:04:18:WU00:FS00:0x21:Bad State detected... attempting to resume from last good checkpoint. Is your system overclocked?
    14:07:16:WU00:FS00:0x21:Completed 375000 out of 7500000 steps (5%)
    But it is still running now at 58% so maybe I will drop another 25 MHz on the GPU Clock and up the Voltage to 1050.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 08:38:16 (permalink)
    Thanks for sharing Your Testing

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 09:05:11 (permalink)
    If you right click in the center of the home screen it should give you the option to open the AMD software.
    Or do you see a bunch of red dots in a circle like in the taskbar or the /\ up arrow on the far right of the taskbar?
    That is the icon for AMD software.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:12:24 (permalink)
    Not using AB here only the AMD Software


    AMD Software Auto Overclock, Auto Under clock and Auto Memory is Grayed Out.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:13:25 (permalink)
    Not using AB here only the AMD Software, Folding seems to be working ATM but need to wait until at lest 80%
    Mega 17 runs smooth and Folding is all over the place but this is normal for Folding WUs. 

     
    Also now way to set the Fan in the AMD Software.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:13:38 (permalink)
    Not using AB here only the AMD Software "Auto Overclock"

     
    I just hope after I install the Water Block I do not see 97°C on the Hotspot.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:19:06 (permalink)
    Cool GTX
    Thanks for sharing Your Testing


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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:33:50 (permalink)
    You are still using two monitoring programs at once with GPU-z and the AMD.
    Try to use only the AMD to check temps and power and load, just for a while.
    It is hitting the same sensors with two programs at the same time, can cause issues.
    Worth a try anyway.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:35:02 (permalink)
    I ignore the hot spot, don't know why they even show it. I bet the Nvidia GPUs have a hot spot to they never show.
    Either way I am sure once we both get the blocks installed it will be lower.
     

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:38:10 (permalink)
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    You are still using two monitoring programs at once with GPU-z and the AMD.
    Try to use only the AMD to check temps and power and load, just for a while.
    It is hitting the same sensors with two programs at the same time, can cause issues.
    Worth a try anyway.

    GPU-Z and Aida64 Extreme never used the AMD Software before today.
    Testing Now Without GPU-Z Running, I do not normally use GPU-Z.
    I only have Aida64 Extreme Displaying on my KB Led now.
    Also not logging a file in GPU-Z. 

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:38:13 (permalink)
    And yes you can set the fan, I have a custom fan curve.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:40:35 (permalink)
    In the wattman program, scroll down to where you see the fan section, it has yellow dots woth a yellow line connecting the dots
    Make an adjustment and then hit apply.
    What ever change you make you have to hit apply in the top bar on the right side I do believe
     

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:41:56 (permalink)
    Isn't that GPU-z in all the pics on the left side with the red lines?
     

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:42:04 (permalink)
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    In the wattman program, scroll down to where you see the fan section, it has yellow dots woth a yellow line connecting the dots
    Make an adjustment and then hit apply.
    What ever change you make you have to hit apply in the top bar on the right side I do believe

    Thanks, Looking now.
    Seems to Fold OK with using only the AMD Software Auto Overclock Setting.
     
    I have to set to Manual to change the Under Voltage or Auto Memory
    If Auto Overclock is Enabled then the Fan and Voltage and even Memory is Grayed out.
    PS Do not run Auto Memory when you are Folding
     
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 12:51:24 (permalink)
    Takes a while to get used to their program. Seems to work ok.
    I did read somewhere that the older ver. of it after this GPU came out works better then the newest ver.
    I think I am on an older ver, I have to check. It is on a clean new win10 install just 2 weeks ago.
    Not sure what I did not, have to look.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/02 13:02:52 (permalink)
    I set the Fan to Max and then Set the Auto Overclock in the AMD Software.
    The Voltage really shot up. I can set the Memory to over 1400 MHz but will leave it at the Default Setting.

     
    I will let it Fold for the rest of the day and then retest some of the BOINC GPU Projects. 
    It is a big learning curve compared to using a NVIDIA Graphics Card.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/03 07:00:02 (permalink)
    Folded All Night Without any issue, thanks Bill for your help with this card.

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/03 08:54:47 (permalink)
    You're welcome.  I was doing 1.2m to 1.35m PPD on some WUs and 1.7 to 1.8m on core 21.
    How are you making out?

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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/03 09:24:49 (permalink)
    I don't know much about AMD, but I do know on Nvidia cards, that undervolting or overclocking,is  a main cause of failed Wu's. (On Nvidia GPUs).
    Undervolting or overclocking errors, will give the same error in FAH console.
     
    I stay away from undervolting, and let the driver deal with the voltage. 
    And only use the power slider, to cap the power.
     
    This gives 2 advantages:
    1- No undervoltage errors
    2- Dynamically adjust frequency to the most optimal (without errors).
     
    This last one is important, when you're able to get the card's temperature down, as the Nvidia driver can get close to stock boost speeds (within 50-150Mhz), when the card is cold enough (and with an overclock).
     
    Doing it this way, I can actually overclock, and power cap;and just focus on tuning my overclock settings. The rest, the driver takes care for.
     
    I realize this thread is about AMD and not Nvidia, but perhaps there are some parallels between the brands.
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    Re: Folding On The AMD Radeon VII 2019/12/03 09:25:43 (permalink)
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    You're welcome.  I was doing 1.2m to 1.35m PPD on some WUs and 1.7 to 1.8m on core 21.
    How are you making out?

    Between 1,097,192 - 1,566,936 so far.
    But it is utterly time to run some more Moo! now
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