phreakwarz77
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I have been trying to research z790 and z690 motherboards for a week now. With all that, I still have not really found the info needed. I know there are some really tech people here that who may help. Many youtubers say dont buy a z790 mb and buy a z690 instead, while others say differently. So here my question.
Which md to get a z790 or a z690?
Build plan.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/08 13:55:37
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I'm putting a new build list together and decided to go with the Z690 over the Z790. I don't see much of an advantage to the 790 to make it worth the extra cost. But I will get a 690 board that supports DDR5 memory.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/08 14:38:59
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100% get the Z790 if you plan on running a 13th gen intel CPU. If you go for a Z690 and put a 13th gen CPU in it straight away, you may run into BIOS compatibility issues. A Z790 was built from the ground up with both 12th gen and 13th gen intel CPU's in mind and will be compatible with both, straight out of the box. Sure a Z690 will most likely be a bit cheaper but a Z790 will bring you less hassle in the long run. There have also been several improvements on the EVGA Z790 motherboards vs the Z690 boards in regards to the positioning of connectors and headers. And the new Z790 boards have better compatibility with higher RAM speeds.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/08 14:41:11
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phreakwarz77 So here my question. Which md to get a z790 or a z690? Good question! From what I have read, and given the current economic times, many or the majority of enthusiasts in need are opting in purchasing a Z690 MB. So far the Z790 MB offerings overall have not been showing any stellar improvements (or worthwhile must have all new inherent tech or bang for the buck) in quality, speed, VRM advantages, storage, RAM, etc. Besides being uncomfortably costly and with overclocking virtually being a dying exercise today! What many however consider is to upgrade their CPU and especially with the Core 13900K as it practically runs circles around the older Intel 12th generation series and any present AMD products for that matter. A quick BIOS update on a Z690 MB will get you the results and save a big chunk of change. The bad news of course is that EVGA over the past several weeks elected raise their Z690 Kingpin price from $499 to $830. Why would they do this? Perhaps hoping to introduce their new Z790 Kingpin at over $1,400 sometime early next year, and not showing such a large discrepancy between the once proffered $499 pricing and the new Z790 deal? On the other hand we all know that MSRP prices will fall much lower in the months ahead on all tech-fronts, as OEM revenues have been dropping to no end and forcing companies to reforecast their earnings. As such for me it’s holding-on to my Z690 Classified and possibly entertaining a CPU upgrade allowing for extra cash in my pocket! Of course should EVGA come to its senses again in the months ahead and offering the Z690 Kingpin again at $499, I will need to do some heavy thinking and lifting! In the meantime today Microcenter is giving away a free MB with the purchase of a qualifying CPU. What can I say!
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/08 15:58:34
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If you're trying to break record memory speeds, z790. If you're using 6000mhz like you said, buy whatever one has the features, look, and price you're looking for. They'll both perform the same for normal use. I do agree that there have been some initial pains with trying to get 13th Gen up and running on the z690 series, but most people have gotten through it ok after some bios updates from EVGA and other manufacturers as well. I think the updates and stability will continue to improve and you'll likely not have too much trouble.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/08 16:27:46
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Almost every Z690 board supports BIOS flashback at default so it doesn't matter if you have a 12th gen CPU on hand or not, you can update the BIOS without even needing a CPU installed. As for which board is better, the answer is whichever one is cheaper. The only difference between Z690 and Z790 is chipset bandwidth.  Memory support is also mostly a moot point on Z690 too if you use a 13th gen CPU since the IMC is on the CPU and NOT the motherboard. After upgrading to a 13th gen CPU on my Z690 I'm able to boot and run DDR5 7600Mhz just fine 
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 05:07:03
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Almost every Z690 board supports BIOS flashback at default so it doesn't matter if you have a 12th gen CPU on hand or not, you can update the BIOS without even needing a CPU installed. As for which board is better, the answer is whichever one is cheaper. The only difference between Z690 and Z790 is chipset bandwidth.
Memory support is also mostly a moot point on Z690 too if you use a 13th gen CPU since the IMC is on the CPU and NOT the motherboard.
After upgrading to a 13th gen CPU on my Z690 I'm able to boot and run DDR5 7600Mhz just fine
I agree with you that the IMC is on the CPU, but it is possible that the trace/topology/shielding is better on the z790 dark, as well as pcb layering. That *could* result in higher mem clocks. Obviously no way to really know until it's out in the wild.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 07:13:27
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Absolutely there can be better memory trace topology on higher end boards but I would venture to say that a Z690 Dark and Z790 Dark would have virtually identical layouts and shielding since they are premium products. That goes for all brands though. You’re not gonna buy a bare bones ASRock board for example and expect it to hang with top of the range boards from the same brand.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 07:33:53
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CraptacularOne
Absolutely there can be better memory trace topology on higher end boards but I would venture to say that a Z690 Dark and Z790 Dark would have virtually identical layouts and shielding since they are premium products. That goes for all brands though. You’re not gonna buy a bare bones ASRock board for example and expect it to hang with top of the range boards from the same brand.
100% Agree when comparing ASRock or other brands. I would be surprised however...if the traces and shielding didnt improve at all from one gen to another. Maybe it's negligible, maybe not.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 08:02:55
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From my experience it’s very negligible from Z690 to Z790 when compared to the same brand in the same bracket. Basically if you’re not going for world records Z690 is fine for 99% of us.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 10:04:20
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From my experience it’s very negligible from Z690 to Z790 when compared to the same brand in the same bracket. Basically if you’re not going for world records Z690 is fine for 99% of us.
+1. Agreed. Same conclusion I came to during my investigating.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/09 10:17:41
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I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/11 02:33:17
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rgarodnick
I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
Do NOT get a z690 if you plan on using a 13900k, the bios is completely broken, i am now sitting with a 2000$ paperweight on my desk aka RTX4090 because evga messed up the bios and they wont provide me with one that can boot, the forum is packed with people that have similar stories at me, i am waiting for a asus z790 in the mail next week and will change platforms, will considering evga once again when i see the z790 release
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/11 03:21:46
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latinprince05
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I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
Do NOT get a z690 if you plan on using a 13900k, the bios is completely broken, i am now sitting with a 2000$ paperweight on my desk aka RTX4090 because evga messed up the bios and they wont provide me with one that can boot, the forum is packed with people that have similar stories at me, i am waiting for a asus z790 in the mail next week and will change platforms, will considering evga once again when i see the z790 release
Odd, I'm running a 13900k & 4090 on the z690 kingpin right now. :)
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/11 03:25:39
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I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
Do NOT get a z690 if you plan on using a 13900k, the bios is completely broken, i am now sitting with a 2000$ paperweight on my desk aka RTX4090 because evga messed up the bios and they wont provide me with one that can boot, the forum is packed with people that have similar stories at me, i am waiting for a asus z790 in the mail next week and will change platforms, will considering evga once again when i see the z790 release
Odd, I'm running a 13900k & 4090 on the z690 kingpin right now. :)
Your experience does not negate that of others, I am lucky enough to have a 3090ti laying around, but I am sure a new builder with no extra card to spare wouldn't enjoy getting a bootloop error with his new 2000$ video card that is completely dependent on a bios he has no access to. He asked for an opinion and I gave it, there's is widespread issues with 4090 and z690 boards, asus have a forum post that is over 20 pages long, our own forum is packed with this issue, it can be just ignored.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/12 07:16:57
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From what I heard, z790 can do 8000+ ram stable but z690 only 7000+.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/12 07:38:01
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latinprince05
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I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
Do NOT get a z690 if you plan on using a 13900k, the bios is completely broken, i am now sitting with a 2000$ paperweight on my desk aka RTX4090 because evga messed up the bios and they wont provide me with one that can boot, the forum is packed with people that have similar stories at me, i am waiting for a asus z790 in the mail next week and will change platforms, will considering evga once again when i see the z790 release
Odd, I'm running a 13900k & 4090 on the z690 kingpin right now. :)
Your experience does not negate that of others, I am lucky enough to have a 3090ti laying around, but I am sure a new builder with no extra card to spare wouldn't enjoy getting a bootloop error with his new 2000$ video card that is completely dependent on a bios he has no access to.
He asked for an opinion and I gave it, there's is widespread issues with 4090 and z690 boards, asus have a forum post that is over 20 pages long, our own forum is packed with this issue, it can be just ignored.
I can also say the same of your comment. Your experience does not negate that of others. My ASUS Z690 has been running my RTX 4090 just fine from day one. You people like to live in absolute and say nonsensical things. Just because you or a few others may have encountered an issue does not mean that there is some big thing going on and that you need to make ridiculous claims like you are in regarding compatibility. I’m running at 13th gen CPU in a Z690 board with a RTX 4090 and have had no issues. Something according to you should not be possible. I know several others doing the same and are All issue free. Hell, almost all the launch day reviews of the RTX 4090 were carried out with Z690 platforms.
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/14 06:00:58
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CraptacularOne
latinprince05
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latinprince05
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I think overall we need more data on folks using the current 2.03 bios for z690 DK, especially when overclocking DDR5. I'm assuming it'll move to stable (or 2.04) soon, but so far, I assume most efforts at EVGA w.r.t. motherboards are going towards z790 rather than z690 bios.
Do NOT get a z690 if you plan on using a 13900k, the bios is completely broken, i am now sitting with a 2000$ paperweight on my desk aka RTX4090 because evga messed up the bios and they wont provide me with one that can boot, the forum is packed with people that have similar stories at me, i am waiting for a asus z790 in the mail next week and will change platforms, will considering evga once again when i see the z790 release
Odd, I'm running a 13900k & 4090 on the z690 kingpin right now. :)
Your experience does not negate that of others, I am lucky enough to have a 3090ti laying around, but I am sure a new builder with no extra card to spare wouldn't enjoy getting a bootloop error with his new 2000$ video card that is completely dependent on a bios he has no access to.
He asked for an opinion and I gave it, there's is widespread issues with 4090 and z690 boards, asus have a forum post that is over 20 pages long, our own forum is packed with this issue, it can be just ignored.
I can also say the same of your comment. Your experience does not negate that of others. My ASUS Z690 has been running my RTX 4090 just fine from day one.
You people like to live in absolute and say nonsensical things. Just because you or a few others may have encountered an issue does not mean that there is some big thing going on and that you need to make ridiculous claims like you are in regarding compatibility. I’m running at 13th gen CPU in a Z690 board with a RTX 4090 and have had no issues. Something according to you should not be possible. I know several others doing the same and are All issue free. Hell, almost all the launch day reviews of the RTX 4090 were carried out with Z690 platforms.
When did I say it was impossible? He asked for an opinion and it was stated. I would had appreciated if someone did the same for me. We all have different systems with different configs, who knows what he will or will not buy, a headsup so he can avoid possible issues should be welcomed. Matter a fact there is a post with another user, same issue, same board, cpu and video card i have. If there is a compatability issue between the two the user should be aware so he can AVOID it.
post edited by latinprince05 - 2022/11/14 06:02:30
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Re: Z790 or z690?
2022/11/14 06:07:16
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yeah i've mostly stayed out of this drama but haven't had a single issue with my z690 dark kp and 4090. isn't the 4090 issue only for those with the FE? you can pick up a $20 graphics card from amazon etc and use it to flash the bios. help yourselves. just because you wanted a $2000 4090 doesn't squarely place blame on a vendor when it's software related. is it inconvenient? sure. but you spent this much on parts and you surely can afford another $20 to troubleshoot on your own vs crying you have a paperweight lol if you want to recoup your money, i'm sure you could sell the FE in under an hour here or elsewhere 
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