the HOF is 100% 2x 12VHPWR, and if the rumors about the Matrix are true, you have to assume it will have 2x as well

ramsito82

Sajin
@ramsito82
 
Did you try a 600w vbios yet?

The current version of nvflash does not work......

Looks like nvflash was updated today to support 4090. Time to get that 600w vbios flashed up. 

Yeh Ximin

Sajin

ramsito82

Sajin
@ramsito82
 
Did you try a 600w vbios yet?

The current version of nvflash does not work......

Looks like nvflash was updated today to support 4090. Time to get that 600w vbios flashed up. 

have you gotten your MSI RTX4090 SUPRIM X?

No. I'm probably just going to wait for the Ti to drop.

there is also a bug in PR that can be triggered by disabling mcc for 4090 in the newest driver version. lots of bugged scores in the 1X HOF. UL is investigating 

zippytek
there is also a bug in PR that can be triggered by disabling mcc for 4090 in the newest driver version. lots of bugged scores in the 1X HOF. UL is investigating 

MCC?

Sajin

zippytek
there is also a bug in PR that can be triggered by disabling mcc for 4090 in the newest driver version. lots of bugged scores in the 1X HOF. UL is investigating 

MCC?

Yeah it’s the ecc setting for vram. UL starting to manually flag the bugged scores now :)

https://www.3dmark.com/pr/1783443

Should normalize and the subzero / chilled scores will start to filter upward.

talon951
Well they need to flag everything much above 29k if they really want to fix this issue. I broke 29k, but only by causing artifacting like is being discussed here.

The thing is, the 4090 not surprisingly is much more memory bandwidth limited than the 3090. Increasing core clock doesn't gain very much. In PR I found a 6% increase in core was only good for a 3% increase in score. It's far less in Speedway. Core gets you almost nothing.

Which also makes me wonder how much sub ambient will be worth in performance given that the cards are very memory bandwidth limited and in particular the 2Gb GDDR6x chips do not like to be cool/cold.

I'm actually debating whether I'm going to block my card or not to use with my chiller. Probably do some cold weather runs when it gets cool enough here to test how effective it is.

I saw your score

talon951
Well they need to flag everything much above 29k if they really want to fix this issue. I broke 29k, but only by causing artifacting like is being discussed here.

The thing is, the 4090 not surprisingly is much more memory bandwidth limited than the 3090. Increasing core clock doesn't gain very much. In PR I found a 6% increase in core was only good for a 3% increase in score. It's far less in Speedway. Core gets you almost nothing.

Which also makes me wonder how much sub ambient will be worth in performance given that the cards are very memory bandwidth limited and in particular the 2Gb GDDR6x chips do not like to be cool/cold.

I'm actually debating whether I'm going to block my card or not to use with my chiller. Probably do some cold weather runs when it gets cool enough here to test how effective it is.

the score is a good starting point, but as you can see from the now-removed GN "world record" score from the #beardedhardware stream yesterday...this is a big problem.
 
some more details...
 
this is caused by the nvidia driver setting ecc OFF by default on gddr6x. so it's an issue for Ampere too. it's just way more noticeable with Ada since that is what is presenting in the hall of fame as the "best" scores at the moment. i'm not sure how they'll fix this without help from nvidia, some some clever detection code in the benchmark / systeminfo to detect ecc state from the driver, similar to LOD or Tess...
 
UL is still manually reviewing and removing scores as far as I can tell, but I guess we'll pop some popcorn and see where the chips fall. I sent my card to a friend to mod last week and will be on vacation so I haven't subbed any scores yet. hopefully this will be sorted when i'm back and I can run a "fair" subzero session without worrying about managing memory artifacting on top of the other nonsense that goes along with running cold GPU. If anyone here watched the stream, you have a good idea just how hard running cold can be if things don't go exactly right. 3D xoc is *hard*
 
 

yes, memory scales a LOT with voltage on Ada, so if you volt mod the card and yeet the memory voltage you can run it SUPER high and get a massive score boost, since memory oc improves scores more for PR. of course the very highest scores with this glitch just look like artifacting garbage when viewed, but the people forcing this don't care, they're either doing it disingenuously to get in the hof, or doing it to demonstrate how broken things are atm
 
let's hope they find a way to flag these and/or fix it soon

Mods are finished on my suprim liquid x, and it is being delivered today. Excited to finally get some time with this and xoc bios/evc 

What are you modifying? Shunt mod or the cooling?

zippytek

ty_ger07

zippytek
Mods are finished on my suprim liquid x, and it is being delivered today. Excited to finally get some time with this and xoc bios/evc 

You pay someone to mod your video card for you?
How does that work? You agree for them to void your warranty for you? Do they provide any assurance?

it's a friend of mine whom i trust to do a good job. he has modded more cards than you've told the evga forums you won't buy.
 
running the gpu on liquid nitrogen with elevated voltage typically voids the warranty on all my cards. these mods make this particular card more capable under those conditions.

FYI, I used to mod cards and run cards subzero too.
I have volt-modded at least a dozen video cards or motherboards, and power-modded half a dozen (it didn't use to be as important). I've added caps and done the whole song and dance.
There's no reason to be snarky.

I was simply surprised that someone would do that for someone else. Since it is someone you know, that makes more sense.

zippytek

ty_ger07

zippytek

ty_ger07

zippytek
Mods are finished on my suprim liquid x, and it is being delivered today. Excited to finally get some time with this and xoc bios/evc 

You pay someone to mod your video card for you?
How does that work? You agree for them to void your warranty for you? Do they provide any assurance?

it's a friend of mine whom i trust to do a good job. he has modded more cards than you've told the evga forums you won't buy.

running the gpu on liquid nitrogen with elevated voltage typically voids the warranty on all my cards. these mods make this particular card more capable under those conditions.

FYI, I used to mod cards and run cards subzero too.
There's no reason to be snarky.

Well, you know, some would say there is less honor in pay to play, but you do you.

ty_ger07

Well, you know, some would say there is less honor in pay to play, but you do you.

in the xoc space, the top teams bin dozens/hundreds of chips/boards/memory sticks in some cases to get the top scores. it's a sport like anything else, and at the top end, it is fairly competitive. in that sense, yeah it's p2w for sure.