ShawnB420

Braegnok

rjbarker
 
so plan is to utilize both M.2_1 for 980 500G boot Drive and M.2_2 for 980 1TB Gaming Drive...from what I understand I can populate both those M.2 Slots and still get x16 out of PCI-E_1 slot....which is perfect!
 
I have another Sammy 500G SATA Drive (for utilities n crap) then my 6TB Media NAS Drive (WD Red).
Its the weight of that Board that blew me away....I think its heavier than my old Extreme E-ATX Board.
 
Im kinda hoping for the same numbers you got..all P-Cores to 52....E-Cores hoping for 40-41...Cache (Ring) 46-48.....as far the Kingston Fury kit, I know nothing about Kingston kits...I have either had in the past Dominators (never let me down) and the last decent DDR4 kit was 4*8G Gskill Royals 4000 C17.
Their simply is nothing available here north of the 49th right now...nothing..nada ..!
 
With this Daisy Chain Topography of this chip set / mobo, made the most sense to go Apex vs Extreme this time around (2 DIMM vs 4 DIMM), considering both OC'ing and in all honesty the price....the Apex was $850 CDN vs the Extreme at $1350 CDN.
 
As much as I was tempted about 6 months ago to ditch my 9900K for a 5950X, I knew Alder Lake was around the corner and really wanted to "wait n see".....besides, I think it would be a bit of a learning curve trying to OC that AMD chip...for myself OC'ing a new Intel chip is like Christmas AM!

Z690 Apex with i9-12900K only has 20 PCI Express Lanes, PCI Express Configurations are up to 1x16+4, 2x8+4.
 
The PCI Express Revision is 5.0 and 4.0.
 
M.2_1 slot supports PCIe 5.0x4 and or PCIe 4.0x4, M.2_2 slot supports PCIe 4.0x4.
 
The PCIe bifurcation & M.2 settings in PCIe slots for the bundled PCIe 5.0 M.2 Card are,.. when Add-on Card is installed in slot PCIEX(G5)_2, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 only.
 
So basically if you want to run single graphics card at x16 use slot PCIEX16(G5)_1, than only populate one x4 M.2 device in one M.2 slot, and do not install Add-on Card,.. this would be the 1x16+4 configuration. 
 

This reason alone I grabbed the Extreme instead. Plus wasn’t interested is an add on card. Dimm.2 is bad enough.

I got confirmation from users on ROG with APEX Board (unless there bs'ing, but hardly think so, both M.2_1 and M.2_2 can be populated and still maintain x16 on GPU PCI-E_1 (top slot).....if DIMM (NvME Drives) slot used or PCI-E _2 used with provided Expansion slot Card then yes...PCI-E_1 (top slot GPU) is x8......this is the same for both Apex, Extreme and Formula.....its also the same on my Z390 Extreme, only with M.2_2 populated I lose SATA 5/6......but still maintain x16 to GPU in top slot...
 
"The new z690 motherboards have 12 pch (chipset) pcie lanes, you can run your M.2 drives off the pch lanes to keep your gpu at x16. These would be M.1_1 and M.2_2 (on the Mobo)..populating another NVMe SSD slots on expansion cards will share lanes with CPU, hence down to x8 on GPU.......if all that makes sense lol!
 
There is no benefit of the Extreme Board over the others in this particular case, although I could be wrong and reading the sharing of lanes wrong, but I will soon see when I set it up on my bench ;)
 

If you want a 12 gen Intel CPU and motherboard then you probably should get a DDR4 12th gen motherboard. Still no DDR5 DIMMs to be found anywhere. 

I heard (probably wrong) but isn't 8 pci lanes sufficient for all current consumer gpu's? Are we expecting the new RTX 40x series to be 16 lanes?

ShawnB420

rjbarker

ShawnB420

Braegnok

rjbarker

so plan is to utilize both M.2_1 for 980 500G boot Drive and M.2_2 for 980 1TB Gaming Drive...from what I understand I can populate both those M.2 Slots and still get x16 out of PCI-E_1 slot....which is perfect!

I have another Sammy 500G SATA Drive (for utilities n crap) then my 6TB Media NAS Drive (WD Red).
Its the weight of that Board that blew me away....I think its heavier than my old Extreme E-ATX Board.

Im kinda hoping for the same numbers you got..all P-Cores to 52....E-Cores hoping for 40-41...Cache (Ring) 46-48.....as far the Kingston Fury kit, I know nothing about Kingston kits...I have either had in the past Dominators (never let me down) and the last decent DDR4 kit was 4*8G Gskill Royals 4000 C17.
Their simply is nothing available here north of the 49th right now...nothing..nada ..!

With this Daisy Chain Topography of this chip set / mobo, made the most sense to go Apex vs Extreme this time around (2 DIMM vs 4 DIMM), considering both OC'ing and in all honesty the price....the Apex was $850 CDN vs the Extreme at $1350 CDN.

As much as I was tempted about 6 months ago to ditch my 9900K for a 5950X, I knew Alder Lake was around the corner and really wanted to "wait n see".....besides, I think it would be a bit of a learning curve trying to OC that AMD chip...for myself OC'ing a new Intel chip is like Christmas AM!

Z690 Apex with i9-12900K only has 20 PCI Express Lanes, PCI Express Configurations are up to 1x16+4, 2x8+4.

The PCI Express Revision is 5.0 and 4.0.

M.2_1 slot supports PCIe 5.0x4 and or PCIe 4.0x4, M.2_2 slot supports PCIe 4.0x4.

The PCIe bifurcation & M.2 settings in PCIe slots for the bundled PCIe 5.0 M.2 Card are,.. when Add-on Card is installed in slot PCIEX(G5)_2, PCIEX16(G5)_1 will run x8 only.

So basically if you want to run single graphics card at x16 use slot PCIEX16(G5)_1, than only populate one x4 M.2 device in one M.2 slot, and do not install Add-on Card,.. this would be the 1x16+4 configuration. 

This reason alone I grabbed the Extreme instead. Plus wasn’t interested is an add on card. Dimm.2 is bad enough.

I got confirmation from users on ROG with APEX Board (unless there bs'ing, but hardly think so, both M.2_1 and M.2_2 can be populated and still maintain x16 on GPU PCI-E_1 (top slot).....if DIMM (NvME Drives) slot used or PCI-E _2 used with provided Expansion slot Card then yes...PCI-E_1 (top slot GPU) is x8......this is the same for both Apex, Extreme and Formula.....its also the same on my Z390 Extreme, only with M.2_2 populated I lose SATA 5/6......but still maintain x16 to GPU in top slot...
 
"The new z690 motherboards have 12 pch (chipset) pcie lanes, you can run your M.2 drives off the pch lanes to keep your gpu at x16. These would be M.1_1 and M.2_2 (on the Mobo)..populating another NVMe SSD slots on expansion cards will share lanes with CPU, hence down to x8 on GPU.......if all that makes sense lol!
 
There is no benefit of the Extreme Board over the others in this particular case, although I could be wrong and reading the sharing of lanes wrong, but I will soon see when I set it up on my bench ;)
 

Ah k thanks. It gets really confusing at times

No, my apologies I believe I was incorrect!!!!!
Used to be easy to figure it out....now it seems confusing...even for me!!!

rjbarker

DEJ915
On the Extreme model M.2_1 is connected with the x16_2 slot so using it will downgrade x16_1 to x8 speed and disable x16_2, that is how it is compatible with PCIE gen 5.  The 4 lanes from the CPU are gen 4 only and connected to a different M.2 slot.
 
On the Apex the M.2_1 is from the cpu gen 4 lanes and the other 3 are from the chipset.

That is correct...unfortunately.
 
EDIT: Ok so it looks like it does work how I thought...confirmed from a Apex owner:
Can populate M.2_1 and M.2_2 with 2 x Samsung 980 4.0 NVMe drives and 3080Ti FTW3 will run x16 in top GPU Slot PCI-E_1
good news afterall and I did manage to decipher that mumbo jumbo in the Manual correctly.
 
the ROG "short" thread is here if anyone is interested:
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?126437-Maximus-Z690-Apex-2-*-M-2-NVMe-Drives-PCI-E-Lanes-Query&p=849306&posted=1#post849306
 
Thanks again guys for all the info ;)

Yes I have apex, none of the M.2 except the pcie gen5 add-in card impact the x16 slots.

This link will show perfectly the allocation of the PCI-E Lanes;
CPU - 20 PCI-E Lanes
PCH -12 Lanes 4.0 or 16 Lanes 3.0
 
Throw the M.2 Drives to em boys, unless you run SLi or populate PCI-E_2 you're golden (except M.2_1 Slot on Extreme Board), then use M.2_2 or M.2_3.
 
https://amp.hothardware.com/news/intel-z690-alder-lake-chipset-specs-pcie-5-ddr5-gear-4-mode
 
 

rjbarker
This link will show perfectly the allocation of the PCI-E Lanes;
CPU - 20 PCI-E Lanes
PCH -12 Lanes 4.0 or 16 Lanes 3.0
 
Throw the M.2 Drives to em boys, unless you run SLi or populate PCI-E_2 you're golden (except M.2_1 Slot on Extreme Board), then use M.2_2 or M.2_3.
 
https://amp.hothardware.com/news/intel-z690-alder-lake-chipset-specs-pcie-5-ddr5-gear-4-mode
 
 

Thanks, looks like I can add a few more on the DIMM_2 card,.. I did not think about the PCH -12 Lanes. 
 
I still have my system running on air cooling with 2080 Ti card temporarily,.. ordered new EK-Quantum Velocity2 block. Should have it in a few days.
 
Default settings, XMP 1 mode. https://imgur.com/BXSUR0V
 
 
 
System is vary fast in default settings, looking forward to putting everything under water, start running some benchmarks. 

.Support
yo.. Will there be a 12.gen. ITX mobo coming from EVGA or did EVGA leave that market completely?
I am being loyal still on EVGA H370 Stinger rocking the i7 8700 :D Don't wanna move to another brand.. :( but damn.. if they ain't.. I may have to :/

Evga isnt the only manufacturer of Mobo's ;)
They make great GPU's....but......the ROG BIOS is what I prefer, although I get the "loyalty" think....sort of ;)

rjbarker
 
Thats awesome man...I see EK shipped my Velocity 2 Block a few days ago via DHL......
I see HW info reports the Memory as Quad Channel......when its Dual Channel, new tech stuff I guess, does CPU-Z report the same?...no biggie just curious.
Have you ran any Cinebench yet on air.....if so what air cooler? I have a 240 Corsair AIO just to get it up n runnig before moving to my loop.
 

Yes CPU-Z also reports the same Quad Channel.
 

 
 
I haven't ran any benchmarks yet,.. I'm afraid to even run Windows Security Scan with vary short-term Hyper 212 cooler on this chip.  
 
Temps are OK with the Hyper 212 for loading Windows and putting around loading all my games/benchmarking software,.. https://imgur.com/NdNLG6A
 
Also working on memory profiles for past few days, waiting on my block,.. have a solid 6600MHz CL39 profile, and working on 4800MHz CL28 profile, want to see if memory frequency/speed matters all that much or is worth the extra voltages needed for the higher frequency profiles. 
 
 
 

donta1979
Me it depends on will EVGA have a z690 with DDR4 at a reasonable price with 4x ram slots? I do need to upgrade my wifes pc board/cpu/ram. I am on a z490 and a 10th gen I9. Would like to move to a 12th gen I9 but then again do I really want to spend that much and so soon. No rush to hurry to DDR5 as for gaming alone it is not leaps and bounds faster than ddr4 yet, that won't happen until the larger capacity dimms come out running at even faster speeds I imagine over the next year to couple years. Intel should had pushed the memory makers and itself a bit harder, have a feeling though AMD will come to the fray swinging.

evga is not releasing a ddr4 board they were already asked.

 
Spent the whole day pulling down my z590 loop and then built my 'temporary' ASUS Tuff Z690 DDR4... only to find that the PCIe#1 slot is DoA (was worried that it borked my 3090, but PCIe slot#2 worked fine)... so frustrating. I almost always bench boards first with a CLC120 and an older air-cooled GPU just to make sure everything is running ok, but for no apparent reason I just jumped into the new build today and FFFUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!! Murphy's Law. Not happy. Freaking ASUS crap. Only reason I got it is because there's no DDR5 available anywhere for a Z690 build, and unlikely to be any for a few months at least. Now I have to tear it down again. Newegg have approved a replacement (but I have to return the old one first of course), so I'm going to attempt to remove the motherboard without draining the loop since I'm all out of coolant.. should be a challenge. Man, I've gone years without any hardware issues, but damn this year has been insane; my EVGA Z490 Dark KP had the post code display failure issue but otherwise was excellent, but I RMA'ed it because I wanted to sell the motherboard. The replacement mobo was completely DoA. I returned that one and a replacement is en route to me right now. Then my Z590 Dark also had the post code display failure, and I would have waited until EVGA Z690 came out (and some DDR5 ram), but then one of the DIMM slots failed out of the blue, so I am setting up an RMA for that mobo, and that's why I built the ASUS Tuff Z690 today. Gonna rename it ASUS Weak Z690. I was about to sell my laptop too, thank the Gods that I didn't! Now running on a relatively slow 14" laptop with GTX 1060.. quite a difference from the 3090, but glad I have it. No BF2042 for me for a while. 
 
So how's your day going?
 
 

Braegnok

rjbarker
 
Thats awesome man...I see EK shipped my Velocity 2 Block a few days ago via DHL......
I see HW info reports the Memory as Quad Channel......when its Dual Channel, new tech stuff I guess, does CPU-Z report the same?...no biggie just curious.
Have you ran any Cinebench yet on air.....if so what air cooler? I have a 240 Corsair AIO just to get it up n runnig before moving to my loop.
 

Yes CPU-Z also reports the same Quad Channel.
 

 
 
I haven't ran any benchmarks yet,.. I'm afraid to even run Windows Security Scan with vary short-term Hyper 212 cooler on this chip.  
 
Temps are OK with the Hyper 212 for loading Windows and putting around loading all my games/benchmarking software,.. https://imgur.com/NdNLG6A
 
Also working on memory profiles for past few days, waiting on my block,.. have a solid 6600MHz CL39 profile, and working on 4800MHz CL28 profile, want to see if memory frequency/speed matters all that much or is worth the extra voltages needed for the higher frequency profiles. 
 
 
 

Nice are you loading the Asus pre-installed Memory Profiles instead of XMP ?
Thought you had said you had the Apex Board...were you able to run the pre-installed Memtest 86 succesfully with that 5600 profile?

DEJ915
 
evga is not releasing a ddr4 board they were already asked.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( 

donta1979

DEJ915
evga is not releasing a ddr4 board they were already asked.

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :( 

Bit of a shame really - unless DDR5 production suddenly catches up with demand, EVGA are going to lose a lot of potential sales - plus being late to the party probably doesn't help.
 

SunnyBeach
I see more ddr5 stock showing up in random places each day. Also sales on ebay are trending down some. 

Here's hoping! Most of the DDR5 I'm seeing on EBay right now is still at least double MSRP and higher. I've seen some rolling out on Newegg shuffle the last day or three, but only as a combo with high end (expensive) motherboards.