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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/16 02:52:12 (permalink)
Do you think a company like EVGA would use substandard parts on their products? EVGA has been known for their quality for many years. 

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/16 03:04:00 (permalink)
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Do you think a company like EVGA would use substandard parts on their products? EVGA has been known for their quality for many years. 




As a means of cost cutting being completely unaware that doing so would pose problems for the longetivity of the product?
 
Yes.
 
EVGA has done this, been caught out and rectified the concern on multiple occasions in the past.
 
Using different components between Rev 00 and 01 (and thus reviewers getting a superior product) was intentional, the way the 01 cards failed was not and was missed by engineering for any number of reasons.
 
The problem is this time, that EVGA assumed the owners were dumb and put out a false and misleading statement about solder, when its a guarantee that every single rev 0.1 card will be returned for warranty replacement sooner or later.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 05:14:12 (permalink)
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EVGA uses the best parts for their video cards. 


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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 05:39:21 (permalink)
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Do you think a company like EVGA would use substandard parts on their products? EVGA has been known for their quality for many years. 


rj, i wouldnt characterize it as substandard as much as average vs premium.  please consider the following: the raw business decision is "will these average parts cause premature failures and cause adverse financial outcomes versus the premium alternatives?"  The answer to that is most definitely a yes.  how do we know?  increase in extended warranty price.  they made insufficient reserves for standard warranty and extended warranty coverage.  EVGA probably took a charge internally and remaining shortfall/catchup is being charged back to the consumer now in higher ext warranty fees.
 
what don't we know?  maybe part of the underlying issue was availability of premium or cost of premium versus the planned price point of the card.  maybe it just wasn't possible to deliver premium given the top down price price point decisions.
 
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 06:36:55 (permalink)
I think it's important to remember that the best 3080 EVGA makes, is not the most expensive 3080 on the market.  Even in the video Buildzoid talks about how it's basically a reference card with more stuff.  It also comes out of the box as their fastest card, which most people who game care about more than enthusiasts like those in the EVGA forum.

You pay for a high performing card, you get a high performing card.  If you're going to put LN2 on it, maybe its not as good as the Strix but the MSRP price also appears to be about $70 cheaper.  $70 is a lot of component upgrades on a card like this.  So, if you care more about having unnecessarily better components (I'm one of those) you just need to pay for it.  This seems like concern for the sake of concern.
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 07:17:41 (permalink)
Its the apple business model pay more for less. Until people value their money and only buy reasonable priced quality products nothing will change. If somebody will buy it, somebody will sell it. It really is that simple. 

 
 
                           
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 07:31:43 (permalink)
This is really subjective. Parts wise, EVGA uses the best when it comes down to the Kingpin cards, if I were using a LN2 config... that is the only card I would use.
 
There were a few "skimps" on this latest generation on the entry level products, they do not overclock as well as the ASUS competition because of some of the parts ASUS picked over EVGA... so in that aspect some saw it as skimping because the parts ASUS choose to go with and it seemed to yield better overclock numbers on average. If you compare EVGA to any other brand though, they are pretty much on par or better.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 07:43:17 (permalink)
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This is really subjective. Parts wise, EVGA uses the best when it comes down to the Kingpin cards, if I were using a LN2 config... that is the only card I would use.
 
There were a few "skimps" on this latest generation on the entry level products, they do not overclock as well as the ASUS competition because of some of the parts ASUS picked over EVGA... so in that aspect some saw it as skimping because the parts ASUS choose to go with and it seemed to yield better overclock numbers on average. If you compare EVGA to any other brand though, they are pretty much on par or better.


And, ASUS charges a premium over EVGA (and the rest) for that edge in performance.  Which, is totally fair as the consumer gets to decide with their wallet.  Why I've switched to EVGA in general relates to their prices being competitive, their quality being on par or better, but most importantly their actions when problems (New World) come up are second to none where they quickly go to making it right.  While some others (Insert GN clip of exploding Gigabyte PSUs here) are slow to react to the point of having to be forced.

Note:  ASUS is also as of late amazing in acting quickly to address problems, so really they're both amazing brands.
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 08:19:58 (permalink)
Maybe some admins forgot about thermal pad triage kits for the GTX1080.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 08:36:32 (permalink)
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Maybe some admins forgot about thermal pad triage kits for the GTX1080.




That's a stigma of a different type... Missing thermal pads on any component that needed a heatsink to transfer the heat away is a recipe for disaster. I was able to use that as a negotiation point to get Microcenter to reduce the price even more on a returned GTX 1080, even the employees were jealous of the price I was able to get it down to ($480 back in 2017) 

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 14:59:46 (permalink)
Why would you cheapen out the parts list and then back it with one of the best warrantees in the business, That would be silly

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/08/17 18:48:29 (permalink)
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Why would you cheapen out the parts list and then back it with one of the best warrantees in the business, That would be silly

Yeah, I bet EVGA feels pretty dumb about all the money they wasted by selling the cheaped-out Rev 0.1 3090 FTW3s. So dumb that they keep sending them to people as RMA replacements hoping that the customer won't mind and that EVGA can gain some use of those junk boards.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/06 20:30:40 (permalink)
I was just gifted a copy of New World tonight but wanted to know if this is still an issue?  Kind of scared to try the game knowing it has killed off GPUs.  I have a FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080.
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/07 08:46:06 (permalink)
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I was just gifted a copy of New World tonight but wanted to know if this is still an issue?  Kind of scared to try the game knowing it has killed off GPUs.  I have a FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080.


If it’s one of the first models made possibly, if it’s an LHR you should be good.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/07 12:52:25 (permalink)
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I was just gifted a copy of New World tonight but wanted to know if this is still an issue?  Kind of scared to try the game knowing it has killed off GPUs.  I have a FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080.


If it’s one of the first models made possibly, if it’s an LHR you should be good.

How can I tell?  I got it May of 2021.  The game wasn't changed since then?  etc.
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/07 13:01:44 (permalink)
just play the game imo.  if it bricks, its better that it happens right now vs later.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/07 13:18:35 (permalink)
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Is it true that EVGA used cheaper parts to get the minimum requirements met for the 30 series cards? I still love EVGA but I seriously hope not…

No. Not true.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/07 13:21:11 (permalink)
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just play the game imo.  if it bricks, its better that it happens right now vs later.


Is there a way to tell though, without going that far? 
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/07 19:44:13 (permalink)
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Is it true that EVGA used cheaper parts to get the minimum requirements met for the 30 series cards? I still love EVGA but I seriously hope not…

No. Not true.

Well, I mean, it is true BizSAR, depending on which card they're talking about.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/08 04:25:39 (permalink)
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Is it true that EVGA used cheaper parts to get the minimum requirements met for the 30 series cards? I still love EVGA but I seriously hope not…

No. Not true.

Well, I mean, it is true BizSAR, depending on which card they're talking about.



It's funny you mention this in conjunction (above this post) with the 3090 FTW3 cards...of which I have a release day 3090 FTW3 that I've NEVER had a problem with.
 
They have used cheaper parts, to be sure.....but not only does every manufacturer do it to 'save money' (or produce more profits would be a better description),
For the amount of time a user keeps a card, I'm betting most 3090 FTW3 cards last longer than they need to before their owners buy new cards (ie: 40 series or beyond)
coming up.
 
Not every card is bad, and I bet that there are more day 1 cards out there with ZERO problems than the cards that you've heard about that have had issues.
 
I STILL submit to everyone that some people create their own problems using crap components (other than the GPU) in their builds ..mainly
the PSUs.
 
Your opinion is yours...mine is mine. They're both opinions......and anecdotal at best. You don't have (neither do I) enough data to make a definitive statement.
 

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/08 05:03:58 (permalink)
You are saying that EVGA used cheap parts and it doesn't matter.
I am saying that EVGA used cheap parts and it does matter.
When it comes to the subject of this thread, I am glad we agree.

I think all the owners of failed Rev 0.1 cards and all the people who did the 3090OC special RMA would state that it did matter to them.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/08 08:02:58 (permalink)
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I was just gifted a copy of New World tonight but wanted to know if this is still an issue?  Kind of scared to try the game knowing it has killed off GPUs.  I have a FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080.


If it’s one of the first models made possibly, if it’s an LHR you should be good.

How can I tell?  I got it May of 2021.  The game wasn't changed since then?  etc.


GPUZ and it is probably an LHR for the year.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/08 08:04:37 (permalink)
You are beating a horse to death about something that every manufacturer does. I hope you have a lot of free time, because you should also be on the MSI forums, the ASUS forums, the GigaByte forums, the NZXT forums, the ThermalTake  forums, The PC Power and Cooling forums, the Seasonic forums, the Apple forums, the Microsoft forums, the Google forums, the Twitter forums, the Meta forums, the AOC forums the Samsung forums, the TCL forums, the LG forums, the Lenovo forums, the HP forums, the Dell forums, the IBM forums, the Tesla forums, the GM forums, the Ford forums, the Fiat forums, the Mercedes-Benz forums, the Ferrari forums, the Lamborghini forums, the Bentley forums, the Aston Martin forums, and the forums of every single manufacturer out there. IOW, you need to be a professional forum complainer by trade.
 
Every single manufacturer makes devices that use a cheaper alternative to a more expensive part somewhere in their design. Every single one. Because the cost of a part does not equate directly to its reliability. With the supply chain woes we've had globally over the last 2 years, alone, there isn't an industry that has not been hit due to limited availability of parts. But to hound a company for using cheaper parts? Sorry, you're way off base. You're trying to use anecdotal information to make an invalid point that you keep harping on over and over and over again, even after being presented with factual information from both readers and mods here.
 
And to those owners of those cards you mention - what was eVGA's response to them? If you're going to present the story, present the whole story and use facts. No one likes continued whining with baseless accusations that mean absolutely nothing. Or go out and build your own GPU with all of the most *expensive* so **not cheap** parts and tell me what your final price is for the entire process - sourcing, procurement, storage, assembly, testing and validation.


 
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/08 08:15:26 (permalink)
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You are beating a horse to death...

So is everyone else who bumped the thread to argue opposite.
And to those owners of those cards you mention - what was eVGA's response to them?

"Bad solder". lol
Or go out and build your own GPU with all of the most *expensive* so **not cheap** parts and tell me what your final price is for the entire process - sourcing, procurement, storage, assembly, testing and validation.

The Rev 0.1 and Rev 1.0 3090 has the same MSRP.

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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaped out on parts… 2022/09/08 08:39:50 (permalink)
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You are saying that EVGA used cheap parts and it doesn't matter.
I am saying that EVGA used cheap parts and it does matter.
When it comes to the subject of this thread, I am glad we agree.

I think all the owners of failed Rev 0.1 cards and all the people who did the 3090OC special RMA would state that it did matter to them.



I never said it didn't matter. I said everyone does it and that people usually 'upgrade' when a new product is released. As a profit increasing mechanism along with staying price competitive with
those who do it first.
 
YOU and *I* might buy a more expensive card if it had high end parts, but we'd be the minority as average consumers will purchase
the cheaper of the alternatives.
 
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/08 11:24:13 (permalink)
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I was just gifted a copy of New World tonight but wanted to know if this is still an issue?  Kind of scared to try the game knowing it has killed off GPUs.  I have a FTW3 Ultra RTX 3080.


If it’s one of the first models made possibly, if it’s an LHR you should be good.

How can I tell?  I got it May of 2021.  The game wasn't changed since then?  etc.


GPUZ and it is probably an LHR for the year.


Can you tell me from this pic?
 
 
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/08 11:55:05 (permalink)
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Can you tell me from this pic?
 
 



This looks like a non-LHR card, based on the BIOS version and SDID. 
 
Issues reported with New World primarily affected 3090 cards - not 3080 - and this was largely fixed with an updated driver and patch to the game.  It's not something I would be concerned about at this point.
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Re: I’ve heard that EVGA cheaper out on parts… 2022/09/08 16:21:42 (permalink)
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Issues reported with New World primarily affected 3090 cards - not 3080 - and this was largely fixed with an updated driver and patch to the game.  It's not something I would be concerned about at this point.

And one specific version of 3090 for some reason. ;)

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