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2021/06/16 07:24:57 (permalink)
Was wondering if now is the time to upgrade to an AM4 AMD based system and purchase the board, or would I better to wait for AM5 socket board to come out. They are supposed to come soon, but I have no news on delays or if they will be available in early 2022. If I can get my hands on this January I might wait but otherwise it might make more sense to go with the older socket architecture. Do you think it is better to just go with an AM4 based board to wait and build on AM5?   


 

 
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/16 08:18:31 (permalink)
    since we are not too far away from am5, i might wait personally
     
    but then again it depends on how old your gear is, im just saying amd 5000 series CPU just came out, and they aint too shabby at all, just a little pricey..
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/16 10:05:34 (permalink)
    I was thinking along the same lines, the only thing that makes we want to jump on it now is that what if this AM5 is delayed for a long time. Do you have one of the new 5k series CPUs ? 


     

     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 02:00:47 (permalink)
    well i upgraded my rig just before they announced amd 5000 series, but seeing how pricey they are (don't get me wrong, AMD ipc is pretty impressive), im happy with my current rig, so i won't be upgrading any time soon, for yrs
    post edited by droomagon - 2021/06/17 02:50:38
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 02:49:15 (permalink)
    I need to upgrade too
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 03:19:31 (permalink)
    If you need to upgrade say still on AMD FX or older Intel platforms amd they are not up to par for your needs then I would say yes. But if it's just because you want to then I would wait to see what the AM5. I upgraded from an FX 8120 to a R5 2600 with an RX 480 and boy did it make a difference.
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 03:33:10 (permalink)
    If you're willing to wait until next year I believe AMD will have some fantastic CPUs. However, if you need to update now a 5XXX series CPU will keep you going for some time to come. The 5950X and 5900X are very hard to find but the 5800X is a bit easier to find. It is difficult to tell how CPU supplies will be next year. 

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 06:24:14 (permalink)
    Two months ago, I had the same question in mind. However, I decided to upgrade to a Ryzen 9 5900X, 64GB DDR4 3600Mhz, etc.
     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 07:04:01 (permalink)
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    since we are not too far away from am5, i might wait personally
     
    but then again it depends on how old your gear is, im just saying amd 5000 series CPU just came out, and they aint too shabby at all, just a little pricey..


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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 16:47:46 (permalink)
    Noted will have to consider this. 


     

     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 16:50:36 (permalink)
    I guess the best time to upgrade is now, if not for this strange shortage that seems to be going on forever. Hope it lets up soon.


     

     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/17 18:53:38 (permalink)
    AM5 is supposed to use DDR5 which is reportedly going to be quite expensive.
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/18 06:07:16 (permalink)
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    I guess the best time to upgrade is now, if not for this strange shortage that seems to be going on forever. Hope it lets up soon.




    Yes. I suggest you to try getting the CPU or GPU in the first place. After you get one of those, then you start buying the rest of the parts. I started some months ago with the upgrade of my computer, but it was not easy. It took me one month to get the Ryzen 9 5900X. After I bought it on Amazon, then I started to buy the other parts of the computer.

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/06/18 08:00:38 (permalink)
    DDR5 or DDR6, did you mean ? 


     

     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/01 13:20:29 (permalink)
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    I guess the best time to upgrade is now, if not for this strange shortage that seems to be going on forever. Hope it lets up soon.




    It depends on what you need to do on your PC. If you only game, I would wait for AM5 or new Intel, because current platforms are ending thus there will not be any upgrades.

    If you use your PC for work, Ryzen 5000 is superb platform. 5950X can do really a lot of heavy working and personally I love it. You can pair it up with fast RAM and if you do not need a lot of connectivity B550 motherboards are not that expensive (I have got B550 Aorus Pro V2, because it is very strong RAM OC motherboard, see Buildzoid's video about it here).

    Lastly if I were you, I would stay away from 5800X, because it can run hotter than 5900X (5800X gets worse quality chips and thus it needs more voltage). 5600X is enough for gaming and 5900X is sweetspot for its price and performance, 5950X costs premium but it is really worth it if you need "unlimited power" 
     
    Also you talked about DDR5 and their price. DDR5 should be EEC memory, thus it will be more expensive than DDR4 counterparts. Also it is new technology, therfore high-end DDR4 should perform better than DDR5 (we would have to wait for better DDR5 models). I have old i7 3770K with overclocked RAM at 2800 CL12 and it is pretty good when I compare it to stock DDR4 at 2133 MHz.

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/02 02:00:21 (permalink)
    I'm running an MSI X570 Unify in a system where it's physically painful to pull it apart due to how crowded it is but I'm getting the new board the 1st day it's available (if I can). Been waiting so long for an eVGA board...when my system was Intel (my 9900K system) I had to run with a PLX chip so eVGA wasn't an option and I went with an Asus WS Z390 Pro (which was fine I guess) but since all this GPU shortage nonsense has started and I spent months looking for video cards for myself and my family (I was very lucky and got a 3080 FTW3 at launch) only to have eVGA come through with 3 more video cards at MSRP during all of this I decided I'm definitely willing to at least buy a motherboard from them even if I don't 100% need it. Plus AM5/DDR5 is gonna take a bit to come out especially with the supply crunch at the moment so I figure I'll get close to a year out of it before having to upgrade at least. Now whether that means it's worth it to you I can't say...they make great boards and I'd imagine their first AMD board (in the modern era anyway) will be very nice to show that they can do it well. That plus I'm stoked to get rid of my chipset fan.

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/02 02:13:14 (permalink)
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    If you use your PC for work, Ryzen 5000 is superb platform. 5950X can do really a lot of heavy working and personally I love it. You can pair it up with fast RAM and if you do not need a lot of connectivity B550 motherboards are not that expensive (I have got B550 Aorus Pro V2, because it is very strong RAM OC motherboard, see Buildzoid's video about it ).

    Lastly if I were you, I would stay away from 5800X, because it can run hotter than 5900X (5800X gets worse quality chips and thus it needs more voltage). 5600X is enough for gaming and 5900X is sweetspot for its price and performance, 5950X costs premium but it is really worth it if you need "unlimited power" 
     
    Also you talked about DDR5 and their price. DDR5 should be EEC memory, thus it will be more expensive than DDR4 counterparts. Also it is new technology, therfore high-end DDR4 should perform better than DDR5 (we would have to wait for better DDR5 models). I have old i7 3770K with overclocked RAM at 2800 CL12 and it is pretty good when I compare it to stock DDR4 at 2133 MHz.

    I agree with all of this lol, I have memory running at 3800 C16 on this setup (4000 C16 when I have my RAM cooler in place) and it definitely improved things over my previous memory kit (went from 4 x 8GB 3200 C14 to this 2 x 16GB kit) so memory clearly impacts things more for Ryzen 5000 (I had a 9900K setup before where a memory upgrade did almost nothing) than most. I have an x570 board but only because I'm moving to 3 x PCIE 4.0 M.2's but I also built a system with a B550M in it and it was fantastic.
     
    As far as the 5800x I briefly had one (less than a week) when I setup this system before driving the hour to Micro Center to grab a 5950x...it ran hotter than my 5950x and wasn't great for my work compared to my 9900K (better, just not as much as expected) whereas the 5950x was MUCH better from the start, even without turning on PBO (but once that was on it positively screamed). 5900x is a better buy though if you don't need the extra cores for your workloads.
     
    As far as DDR5 yeah, pretty much every generation is a bit slower from the start then once things pick up it passes the old version. Hopefully there will be an eVGA AM5 board shortly after the socket launches because I'll definitely try it out but buying an AM4 now won't be a mistake, especially if you need it for something. You can still sell 9900K systems even though the socket on those has been replaced and there's no upgrade path...if you need to flip the motherboard and CPU later you'll be able to, even if it ends up being much faster and with more features than AM4.

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/07 01:26:37 (permalink)
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    If you use your PC for work, Ryzen 5000 is superb platform. 5950X can do really a lot of heavy working and personally I love it. You can pair it up with fast RAM and if you do not need a lot of connectivity B550 motherboards are not that expensive (I have got B550 Aorus Pro V2, because it is very strong RAM OC motherboard, see Buildzoid's video about it ).

    Lastly if I were you, I would stay away from 5800X, because it can run hotter than 5900X (5800X gets worse quality chips and thus it needs more voltage). 5600X is enough for gaming and 5900X is sweetspot for its price and performance, 5950X costs premium but it is really worth it if you need "unlimited power" 
     
    Also you talked about DDR5 and their price. DDR5 should be EEC memory, thus it will be more expensive than DDR4 counterparts. Also it is new technology, therfore high-end DDR4 should perform better than DDR5 (we would have to wait for better DDR5 models). I have old i7 3770K with overclocked RAM at 2800 CL12 and it is pretty good when I compare it to stock DDR4 at 2133 MHz.

    I agree with all of this lol, I have memory running at 3800 C16 on this setup (4000 C16 when I have my RAM cooler in place) and it definitely improved things over my previous memory kit (went from 4 x 8GB 3200 C14 to this 2 x 16GB kit) so memory clearly impacts things more for Ryzen 5000 (I had a 9900K setup before where a memory upgrade did almost nothing) than most. I have an x570 board but only because I'm moving to 3 x PCIE 4.0 M.2's but I also built a system with a B550M in it and it was fantastic.
     
    As far as the 5800x I briefly had one (less than a week) when I setup this system before driving the hour to Micro Center to grab a 5950x...it ran hotter than my 5950x and wasn't great for my work compared to my 9900K (better, just not as much as expected) whereas the 5950x was MUCH better from the start, even without turning on PBO (but once that was on it positively screamed). 5900x is a better buy though if you don't need the extra cores for your workloads.
     
    As far as DDR5 yeah, pretty much every generation is a bit slower from the start then once things pick up it passes the old version. Hopefully there will be an eVGA AM5 board shortly after the socket launches because I'll definitely try it out but buying an AM4 now won't be a mistake, especially if you need it for something. You can still sell 9900K systems even though the socket on those has been replaced and there's no upgrade path...if you need to flip the motherboard and CPU later you'll be able to, even if it ends up being much faster and with more features than AM4.


    Do you find a performance boost in when running a PCI 4.0 slot vs PCI 3.0 ? Was always curious about that. Multislot PCI 4.0 will certainly be expensive but looking to jump on when it goes mainstream. 


     

     
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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/07 04:05:04 (permalink)
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    Do you find a performance boost in when running a PCI 4.0 slot vs PCI 3.0 ? Was always curious about that. Multislot PCI 4.0 will certainly be expensive but looking to jump on when it goes mainstream. 

    I do, but again I do work on my PC as well...I have a Gen 4 primary SSD which is nice and am slowly moving all 7 of my storage drives to PCIE 4. Basically, if you're gonna have a single PCIE 4 drive and a GPU then B550 is probably the way to go but the costs for the new drives are dropping and if you think you may eventually start adding or RAID'ing (after adding) these drives then it's worth it for X570. Bear in mind there certainly will be more PCIE 4 devices soon and having the option is nice, I use server parts quite a bit so some of my stuff is already PCIE 4 but the consumer market is next.
    Edit: If you mean my GPU then that's a tough one, very few of my productivity apps see a benefit and really nothing in games...at least not yet.
    post edited by steppman2 - 2021/07/07 04:28:18

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    Re: Time to upgrade or wait (AM5 /AM4 ) 2021/07/08 11:46:39 (permalink)
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    I guess the best time to upgrade is now, if not for this strange shortage that seems to be going on forever. Hope it lets up soon.




    Yes. I suggest you to try getting the CPU or GPU in the first place. After you get one of those, then you start buying the rest of the parts. I started some months ago with the upgrade of my computer, but it was not easy. It took me one month to get the Ryzen 9 5900X. After I bought it on Amazon, then I started to buy the other parts of the computer.




    I agree with this advice.  I just bought my Ryzen 9 5900 CPU at msrp, not the inflated prices they have been since it was announced. I then began buying the ssd, memory, heatsink/cpu fan and blu-ray optical drive (I still use it).  I bought the case last year in November so it has been a long wait. All I need is to buy a motherboard and I will be good to go.  I have a 2070 Super that I have wanted to replace with a 3080 card but I'm tired of waiting.  I've been on the list to get one since September.  I might as well wait for the 4080 or whatever comes next assuming it does next year.
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