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Hopefully someone here can help with this legacy help request.
So in an old PC, I'm trying to resurrect for my daughter, I have: * X58 FTW3 v1.1 motherboard with latest BIOS (83) * Westmere X5690 CPU This machine used to have a 4-core Nehalem and ran 24/7 for years as my GPU server. I've managed to get the 6-core Westmere for free, and I figured this would be an easy upgrade to getting this old PC running better with more modern games. Unfortunately the machine isn't stable at all: boots up fine, but will invariably switch off after 5-20 minutes with no warning, error message or anything. Can be restarted without any issues, but will invariably die again. Looking at the list of supported CPUs for this motherboard, it appears the Westmere should be supported without issue: Does anyone have any ideas? Any thoughts on how to debug this issue?
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/21 16:17:01
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maddyscientist Hopefully someone here can help with this legacy help request.
So in an old PC, I'm trying to resurrect for my daughter, I have: * X58 FTW3 v1.1 motherboard with latest BIOS (83) * Westmere X5690 CPU This machine used to have a 4-core Nehalem and ran 24/7 for years as my GPU server. I've managed to get the 6-core Westmere for free, and I figured this would be an easy upgrade to getting this old PC running better with more modern games. Unfortunately the machine isn't stable at all: boots up fine, but will invariably switch off after 5-20 minutes with no warning, error message or anything. Can be restarted without any issues, but will invariably die again. Looking at the list of supported CPUs for this motherboard, it appears the Westmere should be supported without issue: Does anyone have any ideas? Any thoughts on how to debug this issue?
Generally speaking power off conditions like this are PSU or temperature related.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/21 19:02:44
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Thanks for the response. It's not CPU temperature, I've checked the CPU is running at 40-50C with a H60 Corsair liquid cooler. Could be the PSU, but since it works fine with the older Nehalem, I wouldn't' have thought so.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/22 09:18:40
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That is a fantastic first build, the x58 with the 6 core holds up fantastically well in 99% of games today in my opinion, especially when casually overclocked on air. I also have the same motherboard, and the same CPU (in an other board) as you, and I use it daily. First thing that came to my mind was the CPU maybe overheating, but you checked that... I think I would give swapping out the PSU a shot. Have you tried testing it with different GPU too?
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/22 10:43:32
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Yes, I've tried a few different GPUs. The machine has presently got an RTX 3080 in it, but I previous tried a Quadro M6000 and Quadro GP100 and the same issues were prevalent. I'm guessing the issue must therefore be the PSU or the CPU. Will try swapping the PSU.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/22 13:11:33
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maddyscientist Yes, I've tried a few different GPUs. The machine has presently got an RTX 3080 in it, but I previous tried a Quadro M6000 and Quadro GP100 and the same issues were prevalent. I'm guessing the issue must therefore be the PSU or the CPU. Will try swapping the PSU.
Thanks
RTX 3080? At this point you're losing so much performance with that X58, I'd build a new system. My newphew is still using my old X58 with a 980x paired with a 980 TI. Random shutdowns while not under a load have me leaning more toward the CPU. You didn't mention what PSU you have, but I'd go with a quality 850 watt unit to prevent power issues.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/22 13:54:05
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maddyscientist Yes, I've tried a few different GPUs. The machine has presently got an RTX 3080 in it, but I previous tried a Quadro M6000 and Quadro GP100 and the same issues were prevalent. I'm guessing the issue must therefore be the PSU or the CPU. Will try swapping the PSU.
Thanks
RTX 3080? At this point you're losing so much performance with that X58, I'd build a new system. My newphew is still using my old X58 with a 980x paired with a 980 TI. Random shutdowns while not under a load have me leaning more toward the CPU. You didn't mention what PSU you have, but I'd go with a quality 850 watt unit to prevent power issues.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/22 16:13:21
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I do plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5600x when prices and availability come sane again....This was just to tide over for the next 6 months or so. PSU is a 1000watt Corsair, so should be plenty of power.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/23 02:00:18
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maddyscientist I do plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5600x when prices and availability come sane again....This was just to tide over for the next 6 months or so. PSU is a 1000watt Corsair, so should be plenty of power.
Corsair HX1000? If so, that is two separate 500 watt PSU in a single enclosure. It matters which rail the GPU is connected to.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/23 08:39:09
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one thing i had a x5650 at 4 ghz now a 5690 in my ftw 3 but i needed to add a fan to the north bridge with my 930 before that just to make it stable. i kinda zip tied a 120mm fan placed on top of back plate of gpu and zipped to the post on the cpu cooler its rock solid ever since that from way back when
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/04/29 15:11:50
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It's probably a bad PSU or something was wired incorrectly.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/02 18:19:47
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IF it shuts down in idle then it's probably the CPU going bye-bye. Had that adventure with an X99 CPU. It would randomly start shutting off and in the end just die. Not sure what you're doing with your 3080 but it's bottlenecked as a sin in an X58 rig. I ran a Titan Xp in an SR2 last year and it also had trouble reaching full potential even after 4.0GHz+ OC.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/11 16:05:30
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maddyscientist Hopefully someone here can help with this legacy help request.So in an old PC, I'm trying to resurrect for my daughter, I have:* X58 FTW3 v1.1 motherboard with latest BIOS (83)* Westmere X5690 CPU This machine used to have a 4-core Nehalem and ran 24/7 for years as my GPU server. I've managed to get the 6-core Westmere for free, and I figured this would be an easy upgrade to getting this old PC running better with more modern games. Unfortunately the machine isn't stable at all: boots up fine, but will invariably switch off after 5-20 minutes with no warning, error message or anything. Can be restarted without any issues, but will invariably die again. Looking at the list of supported CPUs for this motherboard, it appears the Westmere should be supported without issue: Does anyone have any ideas? Any thoughts on how to debug this issue?PSU is way overpowered, i am using a 650watt, but my card is a gtx970. unless 3080 requires special adapters. I OC from the BIOS, though different evga mainboard, very stable. I have similar system with a single qpi chip and is, i believe, identical to yours, except yours has 2 QPI Links. So guess you accounted for that in the BIOS. Interesting... didnt know my cpu had a dual cpu brother.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/14 03:18:53
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Try the Nehalem CPU and see if it's stable. The could have been abused with an overclock. IF that's the case you might be able to make it stable by underclocking (or under-volting) it.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/21 20:41:22
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maddyscientist I do plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5600x when prices and availability come sane again....This was just to tide over for the next 6 months or so. PSU is a 1000watt Corsair, so should be plenty of power.
Corsair HX1000? If so, that is two separate 500 watt PSU in a single enclosure. It matters which rail the GPU is connected to.
I burned thru 3 of those corsair psu,s shooting for a 3d mark 11 record which I did end up getting in sli on air. Hemi is spot on
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/27 20:23:34
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My x58 SLI-LE loved my W3680 regardless of having to solder the back side of the board to make it work... until a capacitor fell off the backside. I'm upgrading to a SLI3 in a day or two so I'm really hoping it likes my CPU too! FWIW - I had my W3680 running at 4.8ghz and the memory at 2500mhz which was pretty amazing in games. I remember losing my BIOS settings one time and then trying to play Diablo 3 without an overclock and I could definitely tell the difference.
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Re: X58 FTW3 with Westmere X5690 extremely unstable
2021/05/27 21:50:26
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maddyscientist I do plan on upgrading to a Ryzen 5600x when prices and availability come sane again....This was just to tide over for the next 6 months or so. PSU is a 1000watt Corsair, so should be plenty of power.
Corsair HX1000? If so, that is two separate 500 watt PSU in a single enclosure. It matters which rail the GPU is connected to.
I burned thru 3 of those corsair psu,s shooting for a 3d mark 11 record which I did end up getting in sli on air. Hemi is spot on
Yeah... 3 way SLI is what drove me from the HX1000 to the AX1200.
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