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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/23 02:49:32 (permalink)
There is something that I want to emphasize, just because most of my issues relate to a previous gen card, it does not mean that they are not relevant to newer cards. Yes, the fans of the 30 series cards can be controlled with Afterburner, that's great, with 20 and 10 they cannot so you must use Precision. In the future there may be functions that will force 30 owners to also use Precision (for example Rebar support is more convenient there), and then what will you do. Also, the 2080Ti was a card that just last year was being sold for $1200. All you 3080 and 3090 owners that paid $1000-1500 I'm sure you don't want to be neglected when the 40 series comes out. 
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/23 11:06:50 (permalink)
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There is something that I want to emphasize, just because most of my issues relate to a previous gen card, it does not mean that they are not relevant to newer cards. Yes, the fans of the 30 series cards can be controlled with Afterburner, that's great, with 20 and 10 they cannot so you must use Precision. In the future there may be functions that will force 30 owners to also use Precision (for example Rebar support is more convenient there), and then what will you do. Also, the 2080Ti was a card that just last year was being sold for $1200. All you 3080 and 3090 owners that paid $1000-1500 I'm sure you don't want to be neglected when the 40 series comes out. 


Not at all. Afterburner can only control two fans. Most EVGA's 3080 and 3090 have 3 built-in fans plus one external header. It's very relevant for all of us. I would never touch Precision X1 again if I hadn't to. It's a complete mess.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/23 13:44:36 (permalink)
The problem is... Unwinder coded many of the original and most efficient and stable API hooks years (almost decades now kids) back and has worked directly with both ATI, AMD and Nvidia developers. Much of this code is proprietary under copyright and cannot be reused. EVGA's earlier program was basically just a reskin of Afterburner with some feature locks by vendors.
So essentially EVGA had to reinvent their wheel with less efficient and stable code. And here they still are.

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/23 15:56:58 (permalink)
I'm wondering how many support tickets and threads I've got to put myself through before EVGA at least acknowledges the resetting fan and RGB issues. I'm so done at this point.

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/24 12:19:18 (permalink)
Precision X1 is awful. Its not uncommon for me to lose all ICX Sensor data except GPU Core temp within PX1 randomly and for no reason and it will come back when it wants. Reboots dont fix it either. I also intermittently loose all fan control or it will drop the fan header on the back of the card off and you loose control. It decides when it wants to come back as reboots wont fix that either.
 
The absolute worst experience is what really terrifies me with this software. It nearly bricked my 3090 KP. I updated PX1 and it went to flash a firmware update and failed. My card was stuck in firmware update mode and wouldnt come out. The GPU worked and showed video but the clocks were low like 200mhz core low all the time. I was barely able to get it to come out of after a weekend freaking out instead of having to RMA the card.

As it sits im on version 1.1.17 and im absolutely terrified to download any newer versions in fear of this atrocious software bricking my card. This is all my experience with just Ampere and PX1. One other factor of why i have to use PX1 over afterburner is that afterburner memory slider caps out at +1500 where PX1 doesnt.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/24 14:31:06 (permalink)
I have a rear exhaust and a bottom intake hooked up to my extension header. Thought it was the most clever thing. Only Precision can operate the 4th fan. But it keeps crashing randomly under load in games and whatnot and I basically lose my rear exhaust. At this point, I'm heavily considering hooking those fans up to the manual header on my case and just using Afterburner. It's been months. I'm so tired of this...

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/26 18:58:42 (permalink)
Is there not ANY 3rd party software that can properly run all 4 fans headers on the FTW3 cards? I've already given up and turned all the RGB off and put the 2 fans I had on the extension header back onto a manual controller.

I'll even pay for the software at this point, I'm so tired of this. I just want my fan profiles to stick without crashing randomly during most games and basically taking out my rear exhaust.

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/27 17:44:58 (permalink)
I used to have the ghost overclocking issue where when i reboot it shows no overclock, but its actually overclocked.  The recent update fixed that for me.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/04/28 07:50:30 (permalink)
I had some kind of error during the install of 1.1.9.0 and then immediately it wanted to flash the bios of my brand new 3090...30 seconds of anxiety.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/03 09:50:11 (permalink)
No response, no fixes. Pretty good progress
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/03 20:19:26 (permalink)
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With the latest version, fan profile is starting up on bootup. Progress..

I thought so too, although today when I started my PC, fan2 was off (not detected by Precision) & fan 1+fan3 were on 40%. It was fixed when I rebooted the app. 

Yep, I found out that too when I just recently reinstalled windows. With the recent PX1 release, as usual, the fan profile is not starting up on reboot or when PX1 is closed and reopened. So damn frustrating!
post edited by Madrok - 2021/05/03 20:21:34
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/06 10:17:25 (permalink)
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I had some kind of error during the install of 1.1.9.0 and then immediately it wanted to flash the bios of my brand new 3090...30 seconds of anxiety.


If you have the time to learn (it's not that hard tbh), try to update your vbios via command prompt, waaaay safer and reliable. Too many bricked cards using PX1 to update (mine had several problems when I tried to... Done easily via command prompt and nvflash).
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/28 09:04:25 (permalink)
1.20 out, still unreliable fan control
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/29 00:19:41 (permalink)
Just bought a 3070 xc3 ultra and I cant even open the software. Disappointing that a new expensive product has RGB and OC capabilities I cant even control with their software.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/29 09:39:12 (permalink)
Although I never liked unwinder as a person, Afterburner (and the Precision that he developed) is far better than EVGA's version of Precision for me. I have never been able to like Precision over Afterburner.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/05/29 23:09:25 (permalink)
so im gathering that once my ftw3 card gets here tuesday to NOT use this piece of software, and use afterburner instead?  is this correct?

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/01 10:33:58 (permalink)
I've utilized MSI afterburner and it felt fine but this isn't giving me issues either.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/03 05:40:16 (permalink)
My copy started boosting the fans to 100%, and I did not even know, as I had installed it and never looked at it... ended up my RTX 2080 Super FTW3 was RMA'd due to high fan speeds... nothing the matter with it... it was Precisionx 

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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/03 07:51:17 (permalink)
any good guides to use this app?
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/03 17:13:20 (permalink)
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I've utilized MSI afterburner and it felt fine but this isn't giving me issues either.



Same, I generally use Afterburner but haven't had any issues with Precision X and have even, in some cases, found it easier to use.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/06 21:02:59 (permalink)
I mean, just afterburner if it's that much of a problem. I think most do anyway. Personally, I haven't had issues with Precision
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/06 21:19:09 (permalink)
Separate issue, but the download pages for Precision versions that support old cards is... confusing to the say the least.
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/07 12:57:54 (permalink)
Since many users report here that Precision works fine for them, and I haven't tried V1.21 yet, I thought to myself, ok, let's try it, and this time post a screen shot of every bug I encounter.
I installed Precision about 32 minutes ago. Here is the first bug that I noticed, which is connected to Precision's rubbish monitoring:

 
As you can see, the value of the max (and probably the min too) doesn't match with the monitored values (which are the correct ones). 
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/07 13:55:03 (permalink)
i didnt know precision x1 was bad
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/09 00:10:35 (permalink)
At this point I would take some good customer service over good software. Yes its true that MSI rules the OC market. I have used several different OC apps, I tried the ASUS software when I was running a strix card, and that app wasn't very consistent. I never had any problems with X1, though I never used it long enough to determine if it was really consistent or not. I don't remember having many crashes, particularly. But all in all, afterburner has just been so consistent with everything I throw at it. So much more SOLID than X1.
 
That said, I don't think that OC software is very vital at this point, because I'm still waiting in a queue to get a card in the first place lol. I have an EVGA 1660ti and whatever gains from OC software I get are pretty much negligible in the grand scheme of things. I suppose I could revisit this thread once I have something that I am stoked to OC properly, but for now I say focus on customer service. Until then!
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/14 11:56:18 (permalink)
Precision X is clunky.  I only used it on my 1080TI for the LED control.  The only reason I gave it a go with my KPH is because its the only way to control the KPH oled screen.  If you toggle it to the "Monitoring" option and close precision X then load afterburner, the readout will lock at a number (arbitrary) and never change, defeating the purpose.  If you leave it on Default and load Afterburner, the readouts will still be accurate.
 
In PX1, if you click save profile, it might or might not work.  you always have to play with it to see if your settings were really saved by toggling back and forth with default.
 
In PX1, automatic fan link and power/temp links will unlink for unknown reasons and you have to do the same thing with the profiles to toggle back and forth.
 
Lastly, the VF curve process in PX1 is not good.  The progress is silent and subject to the problems from above.  It just picks a number and you plop it in and hope for the best.  When I do that, it gave me a +200 memory / +115 clock offset that crashes Timespy every time.
 
Afterburner overclocking is EASY.  It has a dialog box with the last status message and % complete.  Configuring the curve is easy and when you save the profile it actually SAVES IT!!!!  Then when you run it with that curve, it doesn't actually crash timespy.
 
With PX1, you can spend 5-10m adjusting all of the little nodes in the VF curve but it doesn't save.  Come on...... 
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/14 12:24:52 (permalink)
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Precision X1 is awful. Its not uncommon for me to lose all ICX Sensor data except GPU Core temp within PX1 randomly and for no reason and it will come back when it wants. Reboots dont fix it either. 



Wait a second ....I have a new 3080 XC Ultra ( ICX3) and X1 has never shown anything but the GPU temp when I click the ICX button , unlike on my 1070Ti FTW2 which has like 9 different readings I think it is for the memory etc. , I thought perhaps with the Shortages on Chips that the sensors just weren't there ? ( so no reporting) , so this is really a X1 Bug?
 
Currently one 1.2.1.0 as 1.2.0.0 would not remember the Fan settings on reboot.
 
Update:  EVGA has informed me that only the FTW Cards and above have the extra ICX Sensors thus my 3080XC does not have them , kind of surprising considering ICX3 Cooling is in all the Advertising for the 3080XC.
 
 
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/17 02:22:44 (permalink)
this is just my opinion, but from a company's perspective, this software isn't really making EVGA any money, why would they spend more hrs to maintain this program?
 
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Re: EVGA needs to stop pretending Precision X1 is fine 2021/06/17 19:29:53 (permalink)
is there a way to automatically overclock with precision like with nvidia geforce experience?
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