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Weird temperatures and power cap reasons

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2021/01/27 21:38:57 (permalink)
I have two 2080 Super FTW3 Hybrid cards. Each one is installed in different system and both systems are configured in practically identical way (AFAIK).
 
When I run 3DMark Fire Strike Ultra and observe card with GPU-Z card #1 runs consistently 5-6C cooler than card #2. Also card # 1 shows ‘Idle’ under ‘PerfCap Reason’ while card # 2 shows ‘Pwr, VRel, VOp’.
 
Does anyone know what might be going on, why the difference?
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    Re: Weird temperatures and power cap reasons 2021/01/28 00:13:55 (permalink)
    I've figured out reason for one showing 'Idle' and other one showing 'Pwr, VRel, VOp' ... Both show 'Pwr, VRel, VOp' in the beginning and both eventually end up on 'Idle' if you let test run long enough, it is just that first one does it sooner so I missed it. Second one might be taking longer because it starts with more aggressive clocks but in the end settles at exactly same clock as first one.
     
    Which leaves a question why once both are settled at same clock speeds second one still runs 5-6C hotter?
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    Re: Weird temperatures and power cap reasons 2021/01/28 01:59:30 (permalink)
    What about performance, is it same or close?
     
    Temperature difference can be occur because of silicon quality or because of bad TIM application.

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    Re: Weird temperatures and power cap reasons 2021/01/28 02:08:40 (permalink)
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    What about performance, is it same or close?

     
    I didn't have enough time left today to check performance levels, I will be likely doing that in two days.
     
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    Temperature difference can be occur because of silicon quality or because of bad TIM application.



    Good point. I was guessing along same lines, leaning more toward differences in the cooling system (not as good TIM application, fan, etc.), but from what you know would that cause 6C? I'm guessing it easily could.
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    Re: Weird temperatures and power cap reasons 2021/01/28 04:04:30 (permalink)
    Well, if it is same model, there is no differences in cooling and fans, and 6c is quite significant difference to say "one fan is a bit slower than second".
    So it is either bad TIM (like air bubble on gpu) or also could be differences in vbios and fan speed/control.
     
    If you tested both card on 100% fans with manual control and both fans gives 2000rpm and power consumption is same and performance also same - that is definitely TIM and nothing wrong with gpu itself. Just reapply it.
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    Re: Weird temperatures and power cap reasons 2021/01/30 17:42:47 (permalink)
    Status update: Next day I tried to repeat Fire Strike Ultra benchmark while running fans at 100% and this time situation reversed, card #2 ran cooler than card # 1.
     
    So I’ve decided to change how I test. First I’ve switched to TimeSpy Extreme in order to assure it wasn’t the benchmark being used. Second I have decided to do both benchmark and stress test, do two runs of each, and observe all temperature sensors for both averages and maximums. Results are in screenshot below (average values are what 3dMark reported, max values are what GPU-Z reported).
     
    If I interpret results correctly findings are:
     
    1. When running benchmarks card in system with 10900X has slightly lower scores (around 1-3%) while drawing slightly less power (also around 1-3%) and running approximately 2C hotter.
    2. When running stress tests card in system with 10900X draws slightly -MORE- power (around 2%) while running approximately 2-3C hotter.
     
    In other words difference does exist but it doesn’t seem as big as initial Fire Strike Ultra runs were indicating. Now we are looking at ~ 2% and 2-3C.
     
    All together makes me feel that difference is small enough that it can be attributed to normal variations in silicon, power delivery, and cooling system, and measurement errors combined together.
     
    In turn indicating cards themselves are practically identical, neither one of them is “off”, so there would be no justification at this moment to crack them open and reapply TIM.
     
    What are your thoughts, please?
     
    https://imgur.com/a/mkN4dd6
     
    post edited by ZoranC - 2021/01/30 17:45:24
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