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My second system is an i5-2500k and I just put in a 3070 XC3. This PC is used mainly for my daughter who plays Skyrim mostly, and my guests will use it for Arma 3 and Ground Branch. It has a 1920x1080 display. Arma 3 does great completely maxed out, but Ground Branch performance is not good. My CPU and probably my gaming resolution are an issue.
So I was wondering what would be the best price / performance upgrade I could purchase for this system that will unlock the 3070 ? Prepared for MB, CPU and Monitor purchase.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 07:38:56
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Buy a 10400, cheap mATX board and 16GB 3200 RAM. No need for a monitor upgrade as that should remove the bottleneck you're seeing at 1080P.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 09:14:51
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Buy a 10400, cheap mATX board and 16GB 3200 RAM. No need for a monitor upgrade as that should remove the bottleneck you're seeing at 1080P.
Thanks. Do you think the unlocked 10400 would be worth the extra $90
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 09:35:04
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Buy a 10400, cheap mATX board and 16GB 3200 RAM. No need for a monitor upgrade as that should remove the bottleneck you're seeing at 1080P.
Thanks. Do you think the unlocked 10400 would be worth the extra $90
It could be; higher frequencies may help a bit. Maybe go with a 10600K, if you have an aftermarket CPU heatsink...
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 09:39:22
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Buy a 10400, cheap mATX board and 16GB 3200 RAM. No need for a monitor upgrade as that should remove the bottleneck you're seeing at 1080P.
Thanks. Do you think the unlocked 10400 would be worth the extra $90
There is no unlocked 10400 CPU. You'd have to get a 10600K if you wanted a Intel CPU that is unlocked for overclocking. That's $100 mark up over the 10600K and whether or not that's worth it is up to you. Having said that, if you are the kind to keep your systems for a bit I'd suggest grabbing a 10700K which will get you 8 cores 16 threads and overclocking support for around $375. That would also necessitate a Z490 board to overclock with (as would getting the 10600K) so that will cost you a bit more but it will also get you further. Z490 is also going to support the new 11th gen CPUs coming in March from Intel so you have an upgrade path if you wanted it. I would suggest AMD as a more than viable alternative but you just can't buy anything from their 5000 series CPU period as stock has been horrible. I wouldn't really recommend a 3000 series Ryzen CPU for gaming either since their price has also gone up and to be frank, the Ryzen alternative in the 3700X just get's spanked by the 10700K in gaming performance, so it's not really worth the $330 asking price for it if you are gaming.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 09:41:57
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FHD7ZZ Mainly depends on what your budget for the system is... The base-clock on the 10600K/10700K is high enough where I don't think you'll miss the "boost" speeds that are offered on Z490 boards.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 09:49:46
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Are you looking to stay Intel? How old is your daughter and how into gaming is she? Have you built many PC's? If so, for how long? Are you ok with modding or overclocking? Ive been using the rig in my signature below since they were released, similar situation to yours, and recently won a x299 dark and am in the middle of building/testing the parts right now. TBH, i probably would have went Ryzen if i hadnt won the x299 board and other parts. Thats why i was asking what your situation is, if your kid is gonna drop it in 1 year to go to college etc... or is showing disinterest already etc... then yeah lets stay at the lower end of things. If it gets used alot by her,other family, friends,parties etc... and will continue to be then it may be worth exploring better things, especially if you have extra tech you can reuse etc...
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 10:31:59
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yeah, I believe Intel has cut some pricing again - so best to just by a cheap board & Intel processor
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 12:01:37
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There is no unlocked 10400 CPU. You'd have to get a 10600K if you wanted a Intel CPU that is unlocked for overclocking.
I see that now. I think the 10600K was right next to it in my search result and I did not actually look at the model. I tend to keep me systems for a while . I am not necessarily into overclocking, beyond any type of built in game boost like my 9900k has. So a CPU that has that capability would be nice. I am no stranger to building PCs, just have not been in the loop. I bought my last one prebuilt simply because I had grown tired. Now I start looking at everything and get a headache trying to figure out what all I will actually need to purchase. In the situation with this older PC, I had upgraded it to a 3070, which ended up being a downgrade in some sense, so I just need to get the rest of the system in line. Another question, since I am getting such good input. I could move my z390 and i9 9900k to that system. Is there an upgrade, lets say in the $600 budget range, that would be worth that cost ? Assuming it took the whole $600, which I assume it would and maybe then some. I know "worth the cost" will be subjective. What I am referring to is an upgrade where it would be a noticeable difference.... which may also be subjective. LOL
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 12:20:49
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Although I did not quote all of you, I appreciate the input. I have decided, based off all the input and points brought up about how much the system will get used, that I want one of two options. 1. Move my i9 9900k and Z390 to the old system and upgrade my system, if I can do it for $600 or less and would see a performance increase. 2. Just buy an i5 10400 and motherboard for the older system. The way I see it, if I was going to spend about $350 going with option 2, and if I can upgrade my newer system for another $250, I come out better. That would be a big upgrade on the older system and put me just a little farther ahead for an additional $250 than I was already going to spend. Question is can I upgrade for $600? Also I should be able to absorb a little of the cost selling my i5 and motherboard.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 13:30:46
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Head on over to PCPartPicker and start throwing things together and see what gets you in that range (don't forget about tax and shipping costs).
If it were my money I'd just keep the 9900 PC together and get that mid-range 10400 into your daughter's. It should perform pretty similarly.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 13:42:35
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Head on over to PCPartPicker and start throwing things together and see what gets you in that range (don't forget about tax and shipping costs).
If it were my money I'd just keep the 9900 PC together and get that mid-range 10400 into your daughter's. It should perform pretty similarly.
Looking around I think that is the route I am going. I can go with a z490 and the i5 10400 correct ? I think someone mentioned that chipset will support the next gen intel processors.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 14:34:39
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Z490 is also going to support the new 11th gen CPUs coming in March from Intel so you have an upgrade path if you wanted it.
Do you know if they will all support PCIe 4.0 ? I looked around and see Gigabyte references it in their specs but don't really see it on other board manufacturers. If you scroll down past memory configuration it says PCIe 4.0 Hardware Design https://www.newegg.com/p/...2?Item=N82E16813145192
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 14:51:27
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So this is what I have selected. Could not use my old ram but will sell it with old mb and cpu. If anyone knows of another MB or Ram that saves me some money, don't hesitate to holla.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 15:20:32
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Z490 is also going to support the new 11th gen CPUs coming in March from Intel so you have an upgrade path if you wanted it.
Do you know if they will all support PCIe 4.0 ? I looked around and see Gigabyte references it in their specs but don't really see it on other board manufacturers. If you scroll down past memory configuration it says PCIe 4.0 Hardware Design
https://www.newegg.com/p/...2?Item=N82E16813145192
So far Gigabyte is the only vendor that has stated their Z490 boards will support PCI-E 4.0 with the new CPUs. As for EVGA boards or other vendors, who knows? They will probably be evaluated on a case by case basis. But I would think that if one vendor is saying they will support it, that the others will try to follow suit so they could compete on even ground. However that's just speculation so take it for what you will.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/14 20:14:06
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Z490 is also going to support the new 11th gen CPUs coming in March from Intel so you have an upgrade path if you wanted it.
Do you know if they will all support PCIe 4.0 ? I looked around and see Gigabyte references it in their specs but don't really see it on other board manufacturers. If you scroll down past memory configuration it says PCIe 4.0 Hardware Design
https://www.newegg.com/p/...2?Item=N82E16813145192
So far Gigabyte is the only vendor that has stated their Z490 boards will support PCI-E 4.0 with the new CPUs. As for EVGA boards or other vendors, who knows? They will probably be evaluated on a case by case basis. But I would think that if one vendor is saying they will support it, that the others will try to follow suit so they could compete on even ground. However that's just speculation so take it for what you will.
The first M2 slot on the board should be controlled by the CPU's PCIe lanes (just like the first GPU slot); so hopefully this is something that will get integrated on every board with a BIOS update for the new CPUs.
 
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/15 04:39:19
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So I made a little change. I decided on the i7-10700kf instead. Same motherboard. I am not clear on the capabilities of that motherboard. My current system has a Game Boost option. Like I said, I am not a manual over clocker. Will this gigabyte mb basically do the same thing?
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/15 05:50:44
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So I made a little change. I decided on the i7-10700kf instead. Same motherboard. I am not clear on the capabilities of that motherboard. My current system has a Game Boost option. Like I said, I am not a manual over clocker. Will this gigabyte mb basically do the same thing?
It should, yes. Base clock of 4.1 should be fine anyways. that .7 boost isn't going to do too much for you.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/15 08:14:11
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So I made a little change. I decided on the i7-10700kf instead. Same motherboard. I am not clear on the capabilities of that motherboard. My current system has a Game Boost option. Like I said, I am not a manual over clocker. Will this gigabyte mb basically do the same thing?
I have the same board you are looking at in my Intel rig. It has a similar option in the advanced section (press F7 when in the bios) under tweaking, there is a "CPU Upgrade" option for gaming and advanced. Either one will attempt to auto overclock the CPU for you. I don't use them but they are there for you.
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Re: Best choice for i5-2500k upgrade (3070 XC3 Ultra)
2021/01/20 05:30:06
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So I made a little change. I decided on the i7-10700kf instead. Same motherboard. I am not clear on the capabilities of that motherboard. My current system has a Game Boost option. Like I said, I am not a manual over clocker. Will this gigabyte mb basically do the same thing?
I have the same board you are looking at in my Intel rig. It has a similar option in the advanced section (press F7 when in the bios) under tweaking, there is a "CPU Upgrade" option for gaming and advanced. Either one will attempt to auto overclock the CPU for you. I don't use them but they are there for you.
Ordered. I ended up going with the Gigabyte Aorus Pro AX and the i5-10600k. This way I did not dump too much on the CPU but will get a performance gain. When the next gen of CPUs coming out, I will take that Gigabyte MB and put in my system with a new CPU. I will move i9-9900k and MB to the old system. Sell the i5 cpu. Sounded good when I thought of it. Will see.
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