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I have experienced a lot weird display driver crashes since changed to 3090 from 1080Ti.
I tried a lot of different settings and crash happened mostly out of the games, while playing videos in desktop VLC/browser.

I tracked the problem to Corsair AX860i power which was set into MULTI-RAIL config from corsar link software.
When changed power to SINGLE RAIL, all crashed had gone! At least so far :P

Maybe the problem is when GPU is running on low MHz/voltages and suddenly wants more power and this causes some sort of issues when Multi-Rail is set on.
I don't know what multi-rail is but if its some kind of protection system, maybe there is big enough latency before psu gives power out and this causes the issues?
Anyway, this seems to fix my problems with the GPU.
Cheers,
Soppa

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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/08 08:24:54 (permalink)
    https://thinkcomputers.org/settling-the-debate-multi-rail-vs-single-rail-power-supplies/ 
     
    Rails.. What are they, exactly?
    Part of the venom towards multi-rail PSU’s stems from a completely incorrect assessment of what multi-rail actually means. Multi-rail PSU’s DO NOT use any more power sources than their single-rail counterparts. In fact, almost all PSU’s, with the exception of some extremely high wattage units, only use one.

     
    It all comes down to a little thing that protects your system from overvoltage and potential computer bonfires: OCP. OCP is Over Current Protection. OCP will monitor your +12v power source output for current surges, spikes or simply too much current that could end up causing damage to your components. There is OCP present on the other PSU rails too, but we’re not talking about those.
    So what is a single-rail power supply? Put simply, the entirety of the +12v power source is monitored on a single circuit, monitored by an OCP chip configured to shut off if the power supply’s max Amperage is reached.
    In contrast, a multi-rail PSU has multiple (2+) monitoring channels on the +12v power source, each with a separate Amperage rating which is a division of the PSU’s maximum rated output (plus perhaps some additional headroom to prevent shutdowns from reaching the top-end) . Some rails are dedicated to different things, so you’ll have higher-rated monitoring channels for PCI-E connections and CPU power, along with lower-rated ones for hard drives and such.
    So there you have it. Is the power cleaner on either? No. They’re the same power source. Does it affect ripple or electrical noise? Not really, at least, not significantly enough for it to matter to .. anyone.
    Which is better?
    The answer, simply, is neither. They’re effectively the same in the way they deliver power to your components.
    There is however a benefit that one of them offers over the other: safety. For low wattage units this doesn’t matter, as the max Amperage will be triggered on either single-rail or multi-rail PSUs in the event of an overload. However, as you reach higher wattage units, you’ll find that it’s very difficult to hit the max Amperage of the PSU on a single-rail unit. Chances are in the event of an overload on the +12V power source, it’s going to potentially burn your components or itself before OCP kicks in. In this scenario, multi-rail PSU’s are better simply because each rail has a lower Amperage rating that is a portion of the power supply’s maximum. It’ll make the OCP easier to trigger, and therefore, more likely to save your components from harm.
    But when considering a power supply to purchase with efficiency, clean power delivery, ripple, noise, etc.. the answer is, pick either, because the results will be the same.
     
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/08 08:31:50 (permalink)
    Looks like Over Current Protection is handled differently via multi or single rail.  
     
     
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/08 08:36:16 (permalink)
    Dyezak
    Looks like Over Current Protection is handled differently via multi or single rail.  

    Thanks for the details.
    Maybe this multi-rail over current protection has some compatibility issues with the GPU's which demand a lot of power or the Corsair AX-i -series powers have some design flaws..
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/08 10:50:09 (permalink)
    Soppa
    Dyezak
    Looks like Over Current Protection is handled differently via multi or single rail.  

    Thanks for the details.
    Maybe this multi-rail over current protection has some compatibility issues with the GPU's which demand a lot of power or the Corsair AX-i -series powers have some design flaws..


    I have an AXI 1200W and have it set to single-rail OCP for my 3900 FTW3 Ultra and zero issues. Before that I was running SLI'ed 1080TI's and again, had it set to single-rail OCP. This is a known issue for a long time when using AXI PSU's with high powered GPU's and has become exasperated with the high transient spikes of the 30-series GPU's. if I remember correctly, the default for my PSU was single-rail OCP anyway, hence why this problem isn't all that wide-spread.
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/11 09:57:41 (permalink)
    Been having the same problem with my 3090 FTW3 ultra with a Corsair HX1000i, just switched it into signle rail mode so fingers crossed get the same issue with the HX series
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/11 12:29:52 (permalink)
    matthew.moles
    Been having the same problem with my 3090 FTW3 ultra with a Corsair HX1000i, just switched it into signle rail mode so fingers crossed get the same issue with the HX series

    Can you report if it did fix the issues when you have tested?
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/11 12:51:42 (permalink)
    Corsair RM850x single rail.  No issues with 3090 FTW Ultra.
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/11 13:21:44 (permalink)
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    Been having the same problem with my 3090 FTW3 ultra with a Corsair HX1000i, just switched it into signle rail mode so fingers crossed get the same issue with the HX series

    Can you report if it did fix the issues when you have tested?


    Did you update 3090 beta bios or everything running stock?


     

     
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/12 03:49:54 (permalink)
    Soppa
    I have experienced a lot weird display driver crashes since changed to 3090 from 1080Ti.
    I tried a lot of different settings and crash happened mostly out of the games, while playing videos in desktop VLC/browser.

    I tracked the problem to Corsair AX860i power which was set into MULTI-RAIL config from corsar link software.
    When changed power to SINGLE RAIL, all crashed had gone! At least so far :P

    Maybe the problem is when GPU is running on low MHz/voltages and suddenly wants more power and this causes some sort of issues when Multi-Rail is set on.
    I don't know what multi-rail is but if its some kind of protection system, maybe there is big enough latency before psu gives power out and this causes the issues?
    Anyway, this seems to fix my problems with the GPU.
    Cheers,
    Soppa



    Multi rail shares the overall electricity of your PSU to multiple rails that have an allocated maximum wattage per rail they can hold. So technically you have a big rail with more wattage and then the rest with less wattage handling things. Going single rail is the best for the average user me thinks I mean with a reputable PSU you don't run into danger of overpower overcurrent etc they all have safety measures and you can use an overcurrent plug at your wall anyway like an APC etc.
     
    Glad this worked for you.

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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/19 04:20:34 (permalink)
    matthew.moles
    Been having the same problem with my 3090 FTW3 ultra with a Corsair HX1000i, just switched it into signle rail mode so fingers crossed get the same issue with the HX series

    How it went?
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/19 09:25:52 (permalink)
    So far its worked perfectly since the change, did not want to reply too soon but gone from having 2-3 crashes a day to being fine
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/20 11:01:10 (permalink)
    All three power supplies I used were single rail 80+ Gold or 80+ platinum rated.  Yet I still had the black screen and fans at 100% fan speed issue multiple times per hour with two of the three EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra cards I had.
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/21 12:16:15 (permalink)
    Thanks to the OP for this advice.
     
    I thought my 2 week old 3080 FTW3 Ultra was on its way out like others. Got black screens when playing games or on a render workload and instantly thought of the posts on this forum about issues. I checked the cables were OK and in good shape and installed corsair iCUE for my AX1600i PSU. It was on Multi-rail, switched it Single and hey presto, gaming and rendering is working again.
     
    Fingers crossed it stays this way. My 3080 is a 2012 SN edition with Black lips.
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/22 13:27:23 (permalink)
    Think I may have replied a bit too soon, in the three days since my last post, I have had 3 driver crashes :(
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/22 16:07:38 (permalink)
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    Think I may have replied a bit too soon, in the three days since my last post, I have had 3 driver crashes :(

    Did you check that it has not turned back to multi-rail after computer shutdown or so?
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/01/23 07:33:57 (permalink)
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    Think I may have replied a bit too soon, in the three days since my last post, I have had 3 driver crashes :(




    That's a shame. Personally feeling more confident, chucked some tough compute workloads at it, some cyberpunk gaming. Still coping, which is the least I would expect!
     
    Bare in mind my 'crash' is a black screen, PC still running, and I have to physically restart the PC. It only occurred on high power loads never when running light loads like web browsing. I did have records of nvlddmkm errors though. In the past when my 1000W Corsair PSU was not up to the job to run two 2080s, the PC would power off completely, and yes there was damage to the ATX cables.
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/02/01 10:51:18 (permalink)
    So it was still set to single rail, but Icue had been misbehaving a bit. I restarted and its been fine since so seems to be good, though think would look out for one with a physical switch next time
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/02/01 21:32:12 (permalink)
    I'm having the same driver issues and want to try this fix. I have a evga supernova 850w P2. Any clue how to switch it to single rail?
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/02/02 07:03:35 (permalink)
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    I'm having the same driver issues and want to try this fix. I have a evga supernova 850w P2. Any clue how to switch it to single rail?



    There is an actual physical switch on the PSUs that have multi and single rail. Very similar to the OC/silent bios switch. If your PSU supports it there should be a relevant switch.
     
    Edit: As far as I can see, your PSU is single rail.
     
    post edited by Gogod2020 - 2021/02/02 07:07:36

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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/04/04 15:32:47 (permalink)
    I have been running the HX750i in Multi-Rail mode with the 3090 FTW3 Ultra since I bought the card back in October 2020 and it has never crashed on me. The power meter in Precision X1 recommended I get a new PSU but I didn't and I have not had any problems. I also never turned on the overclock switch due to the recommendation which I heard bumps up the power limit. I am running everything on an EVGA X99 Classified motherboard with a 5930k CPU overclocked to 4.2ghz. I mainly play COD Warzone with all settings maxed out and the CPU package and GPU hover around 60c. Of course I had to monitor and adjust all the fans at first to keep things under 65c. I am one to usually not fix things if they are not broken but I am curious if I should be running this on Single-Rail mode because of the high power draw of the GPU.  
     
    The photo is after I completed the install. I know its not pretty and everything is packed tight but I do not have over temp or shutdown problems. Does it matter if I use Single or Multi rail on the PSU? If it does not matter then why did they make it changeable?
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/04/04 16:34:18 (permalink)
    Soppa
    I have experienced a lot weird display driver crashes since changed to 3090 from 1080Ti.
    I tried a lot of different settings and crash happened mostly out of the games, while playing videos in desktop VLC/browser.

    I tracked the problem to Corsair AX860i power which was set into MULTI-RAIL config from corsar link software.
    When changed power to SINGLE RAIL, all crashed had gone! At least so far :P

    Maybe the problem is when GPU is running on low MHz/voltages and suddenly wants more power and this causes some sort of issues when Multi-Rail is set on.
    I don't know what multi-rail is but if its some kind of protection system, maybe there is big enough latency before psu gives power out and this causes the issues?
    Anyway, this seems to fix my problems with the GPU.
    Cheers,
    Soppa



    I created a custom fan profile in the Corsair Link software for my HX750i which now runs at a minimum of around 900 rpm. I found that in games the 3090 FTW3 Ultra gets my PSU sort of hot. At least hotter than I have ever seen it before installing this graphics card. Without the new profile the fan was not switching on soon enough or fast enough in my opinion. Now the fan on the PSU also helps with the overall case air flow. 
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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/04/05 08:28:00 (permalink)
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    The photo is after I completed the install. I know its not pretty and everything is packed tight but I do not have over temp or shutdown problems. Does it matter if I use Single or Multi rail on the PSU? If it does not matter then why did they make it changeable?



    You are really stretching your PSU and your GPU with an 750 for an 3090 card. Most important, mono rail is probably the best option because at any time the PSU will have its full power to give where needed. The reason why multi rail exists in higher end PSUs is to give a choice to "split" the amperage the PSU gives in smaller increments (separate rails) which serves as a safety since at any time there isn't the entire power going through one rail. Technically multiple rails add more "safeties" as the pc components are split in different rails with different amperage and OCP triggers easier should anything happen.
     
    HOWEVER, with quality units you just switch to mono rail which is simpler to handle and works perfect for heavy loads. In your case since your PSU is smaller than the minimum specified I would say switch to mono rail so that your GPU always gets what it needs. If you are undervolting maybe you can get away with it. I would go monorail just to be sure though.
     
    I got an HX1200 with my 3080 and when I don't undervolt and keep up the CPU OC the PSU fans start spinning meaning I am already at over 60% load. You are working your PSU to 80-90% and mind you all Corsair reviews say that for instance the 1200 is in fact 1100 and the 850 is 800 and so on. I would invest on a bigger PSU at least an 850 and optimally a 1000-1200. The brand and quality are top notch.

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    Re: EVGA 3090 FTW ULTRA black screen/driver-crash FIX 2021/04/05 16:03:38 (permalink)
    Wow, I was considering it now I am second guessing tho, well see what happens
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