I use a Tiamat 7.1 headphone and I really need the Crossover function or I get very little bass. Is it too much to ask for this option to be available? I really need this, am I the only one?!

I have a similar problem, running 5.1 analog out to a Yamaha Receiver and get almost no bass on a 350 Klipsch 10" Sub. Had to crank the sub to hardly get anything out of it. My old Creative labs cards did not have any problem with Bass management on the exact same setup and I was really hoping that this would be a Better card with EVGA quality. Also its certainly sad that on a $300 piece of equipment the best responses for a missing basic feature is either make a request and hope we put it in, or uninstall the software designed to make it work to actually make it work.... I think mine is getting returned.

I just read your post in March Phileosophos and my heart sinks knowing that 7 months later and there's no word that anything will be done about it. On a side note, that ty_ger07 person was so off point it was incredibly frustrating to read!

ebonmark
I just read your post in March Phileosophos and my heart sinks knowing that 7 months later and there's no word that anything will be done about it. On a side note, that ty_ger07 person was so off point it was incredibly frustrating to read!

Lol.
Ok, whatever.
I was completely accurate from a technical standpoint. Center channel is monotone and that is where bass exists. It's fundamental.

Now, if EVGA's implementation is messed up and doesn't work as it should, that is not tested by me and is totally out of my control.

Don't call me off point when I am completely technically correct about the way it is supposed to work.

When I made those replies, I was under the assumption that there wasn't anything technically wrong with EVGA's implementation. Since then, I have become convinced that there is either a software or hardware issue. When I read how people had to tweak things in a completely ludicrous way just to get 3.1 to work, I knew that there is a problem.

I haven't posted much here since, because it is pointless for me to give advice based on a technically flawed product which doesn't behave as it should in the first place.


Instead or asking for crossover control, perhaps you should ask for proper center channel implementation in the first place. If the center channel worked properly, I am certain that you wouldn't need crossover control. Crossover control is a bandaid for a bigger root problem.

I now agree with you that it is messed up. But I still disagree about why it is messed up and how it should best be corrected.

ty_ger07

ebonmark
I just read your post in March Phileosophos and my heart sinks knowing that 7 months later and there's no word that anything will be done about it. On a side note, that ty_ger07 person was so off point it was incredibly frustrating to read!

Lol.
Ok, whatever.
I was completely accurate from a technical standpoint. Center channel is monotone and that is where bass exists. It's fundamental.

Now, if EVGA's implementation is messed up and doesn't work as it should, that is not tested by me and is totally out of my control.

Don't call me off point when I am completely technically correct about the way it is supposed to work.

When I made those replies, I was under the assumption that there wasn't anything technically wrong with EVGA's implementation. Since then, I have become convinced that there is either a software or hardware issue. When I read how people had to tweak things in a completely ludicrous way just to get 3.1 to work, I knew that there is a problem.

I haven't posted much here since, because it is pointless for me to give advice based on a technically flawed product which doesn't behave as it should in the first place.


Instead or asking for crossover control, perhaps you should ask for proper center channel implementation in the first place. If the center channel worked properly, I am certain that you wouldn't need crossover control. Crossover control is a bandaid for a bigger root problem.

I now agree with you that it is messed up. But I still disagree about why it is messed up and how it should best be corrected.

Off point, as the option of having the CROSSOVER function regardless if EVGA consider their product flawed or not, should be there. Just being able to have the option of using CROSSOVER even if they consider their product faultless or they fix their implementation or whatever they want to do as I still may not be satisfied with what they think is "fixed".

ebonmark
I just read your post in March Phileosophos and my heart sinks knowing that 7 months later and there's no word that anything will be done about it. On a side note, that ty_ger07 person was so off point it was incredibly frustrating to read!

I've learned to completely ignore anything written by ty_ger07.  I think they are just trolling, to be honest.
We were told there would be updates last August and not a peep.  I gave them a pass for COVID but it really seems that not a single soul is working on this card anymore.
I'm selling my card.  The software support is exceedingly poor.  

Injuis
 
I've learned to completely ignore anything written by ty_ger07.  I think they are just trolling, to be honest.

Nope, not trolling.
 
It's basic sound design.  I'm not wrong.  Bass occupies the center monotone channel.  Naturally.  Without coercion.  No crossover is required to force it to exist there in the center channel.  It already exists there.  In that thread, he was arguing that he needed crossover control to move bass from the left and/or right channels to the center channel, but it's a fact that it doesn't need to be moved to the center channel, because it is already in the center channel.  Not trolling.  It's fact.
 
The problem is that it simply doesn't exist in the center channel with these cards because EVGA has screwed something up.  Reading an EVGA tech's first-hand experience guide on how to set this up made my head hurt.  Maybe someone can find his post and laugh.  This is a defect.
 
Edit: Here it is.  Read this mess.  This is a defect, not a missing feature.
https://forums.evga.com/Anyone-got-a-sub-to-work-correctly-m3055430.aspx
 
I mean, look at this quote alone:

2.1 is only supported via Stereo.  You wouldn't use the C/Sub output on the daughterboard card for 2.1.  You would need to place the speakers in-line with the Sub, or the Sub after the speakers.

Why would anyone buy a 7.1 add-on card if it can't even do 2.1?  What in the world?!  How can a 7.1 add-on card not support 2.1?  It's the most basic step above 2.0.  What is a "C/Sub" output for if not for a center .1 channel? It's right in the name! "Center/Sub". How can a whole additional add-on card not allow just a center channel?  It has enough inputs and outputs, that's for sure!  Like... what!?!?  I mean, I understand a surround add-on card supporting and using surround encoding, but it SHOULD ALSO have options to support common-sense speaker configurations based on industry-standard stuff.  A center channel is a monotone channel.  A 7.1 surround add-on card SHOULD have an option to enable a center .1 monotone channel even if not using a source with surround encoding.  It's asinine.
 
I mean, that tech guy is not wrong about bridging the left and right channels to create a center channel for a sub, but no one should need to have 2 subs -- one sub bridged for stereo 2.1 audio and a separate sub exclusively for surround-encoded audio.  The C/Sub output SHOULD BE a bridged channel for 2.1 audio by default for any audio which is not surround-encoded.
 
There's something seriously wrong with the hardware or software implementation.
 
 
I am NOT WRONG about the crossover control discussion in that thread where you claim I was trolling.  In that thread, the OP was wrong about needing to move bass from the left or right channels to a center channel using crossover control.  'Moving bass from the left or right channels to the center channel' is in no way related to crossover control.  Bass doesn't exist exclusively in the left or right channels in the first place.

At the driver level it seems it can't but you can use a workaround to get the crossover to work on music, games or general audio.
 
For music a player like Foobar2000 with the Bass Managment plugin allows to set a crossover freq. that would be use to send the signal to the sub, or a plugin like upmix 5.1 (built in) to get sound on all channels (7.0 since bass doesn't get any audio)
 
For the rest i can only think of using the windows built in bass managment:

 
I don't have the card but i think this is the only way to get it to work, is tedious but better than nothing. I currently have a Xonar DX (last driver 4 years ago) and was thinking about change it to the Nu Audio but...

The only alternative is the creative AE 5,7,9. Xonar latest drivers was 5 years ago.

Check here, got tired of waiting for a response from evga and found how to do it: https://forums.evga.com/N...rossover-m3221564.aspx

MhzManiac
So I have a solution now that if I had discovered sooner I would have kept the Nu Audio Pro 7.1. I am using Equalizer APO with the Peace APO mod. It makes You Tube videos sound wonderful in 7,1 surround sound. So 1st install Equalizer APO and setup for your speakers. Then download Peace Equalizer mod (Peter's Equalizer APO Configuration Extension). Let it override the APO settings. Click on the Effects button and configure the upload options like I have in this picture. Of course choose 5.1 if that is what your system supports. 

hahah yes, it seems we found the same way to make this card work.

Don't hold your breath. Just do the mod like I mentioned a couple posts ago. Youtube has never sound so good.