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https://www.techpowerup.com/272670/tsmc-ramps-up-3-nm-node-production TSMC has had quite a good time recently. They are having all of their capacity fully booked and the development of new semiconductor nodes is going good. Today, thanks to the report of DigiTimes, we have found out that TSMC is ramping up the production lines to prepare for 3 nm high-volume manufacturing. The 3 nm node is expected to enter HVM in 2022, which is not that far away. In the beginning, the new node is going to be manufactured on 55.000 wafers of 300 mm size, and it is expected to reach as much as 100.000 wafers per month output by 2023. With the accelerated purchase of EUV machines, TSMC already has all of the equipment required for the manufacturing of the latest node. We are waiting to see more details on the 3 nm node as we approach its official release. Looks like TSMC is making sure they remain the number 1 fabrication plant in the world.
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
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impressive stuff. getting closer and closer to those impossible shrinks
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/29 05:35:34
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What is TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and anyone else going to do when they are at "0 nm" and the actual node size is 7 nm, and they still have room to go smaller? Are they going to start using decimals? Fractions? Real numbers?
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
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What is TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and anyone else going to do when they are at "0 nm" and the actual node size is 7 nm, and they still have room to go smaller? Are they going to start using decimals? Fractions? Real numbers?
Intel's own roadmap claims 1.4nm at 2029, though obviously Intel will never reach it at that date given their track record the last five years.
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 09:18:59
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nice... next gen chips will be maybe 3nm in 2023?? correct?
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 09:54:44
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2022 5nm is in volume production next year 2021 rjohnson11
.... we have found out that TSMC is ramping up the production lines to prepare for 3 nm high-volume manufacturing. The 3 nm node is expected to enter HVM in 2022, which is not that far away.
HVM is high volume manufacturing - so 2022 is possible - however that might be all bought up by apple and smart phone market what you do realize is that Nvidia Hopper and AMD RDNA3 is possible next year with 5nm NVIDIA’s Hopper Architecture Will Be Made On TSMC’s 5nm Process Taiwan's leading technology publication dropped quite the scoop on NVIDIA news today: they have confirmed that the company has pre-booked 5nm capacity from TSMC to use for their next-generation Hopper GPUs
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 11:14:51
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What is TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and anyone else going to do when they are at "0 nm" and the actual node size is 7 nm, and they still have room to go smaller? Are they going to start using decimals? Fractions? Real numbers?
Picometer! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picometre... The picometre is one thousandth (1/1000 × nm) of a nanometre, one millionth of a micrometre (also known as a micron), and one trillionth of a meter.[2] The symbol μμ was once used for it.[3] It is also one hundredth of an Ångström, an internationally recognised (but non-SI) unit of length....
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 11:30:11
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What is TSMC, Intel, Samsung, and anyone else going to do when they are at "0 nm" and the actual node size is 7 nm, and they still have room to go smaller? Are they going to start using decimals? Fractions? Real numbers?
Picometer!
I think that you missed the point. The current numbers are made up. Are they going to continue to just take it to a made-up extreme? Seems like you are saying "yes". Anyone who really knows anything, knows that an atom has a physical size and that there is a physical limit to how small an arrangement of atoms can be; like around 1 nm (best case) for a silicon/dopant-based transistor. So, if they advertise down to 0.xxx nm/picometer, won't they look like complete idiots? Like, not only will the manufacturing process names be "just" made up anymore; now they will be made up AND impossible. Why not pick some other product naming scheme? Like, The TSMC Fab 2023 process? Or, the Samsung 2022 XR node? Or something like that? That way the name will still be made up, but at least not pretend to mean something.
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 17:26:20
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ty_ger07,
I’ve said exactly what you’ve said in previous posts. You are indeed reaching a quantum threshold for gate size.
100% agree.
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Re: TSMC Ramps Up 3 nm Node Production
2020/09/30 22:18:21
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The last xray of intel and tsmc show both were far from accurate for transistor sizes
Intel so-called 14nm is close to TSMC's 7nm with maybe a slight packing of RAM advocate to TSMC
The distance between transistors is closer to 45nm pitch
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