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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:45:00 (permalink)
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https://wccftech.com/amd-...-graphics-card-volume/
 
October 28 seems to be AMD's launch. NVidia might play their cards and release the 20 Gigabyte 3080 model shortly before or after that date. My guess would be that NVidia releases the 3080 20 Gigabyte model a week before Black Friday then AMD Is forced to change their prices. But that's just my guess.


But with the step up program you get the 90 day window so if NVIDIA came out with a upgrade after AMD’s release it’s a moot point you just step up. My personal guess is AMD didn’t expect the flagship card for NVIDIA to drop to $699 and be such an upgrade in performance then a 2080ti. If AMD guessed wrong we could see NVIDIA wait a year or longer to refresh the brand and see if AMD is able to respond.

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:51:38 (permalink)
No one likes waiting when it comes to gaming.
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:53:09 (permalink)
Of course it's more rational. But I don't have a GPU and I'm impatient. Lol
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:54:52 (permalink)
I see all the weird dynamics and logistical issues going on and I know I should wait and I still am likely to impulse buy the first ftw3 i see pop up available :P
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:58:11 (permalink)
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https://wccftech.com/amd-...-graphics-card-volume/
 
October 28 seems to be AMD's launch. NVidia might play their cards and release the 20 Gigabyte 3080 model shortly before or after that date. My guess would be that NVidia releases the 3080 20 Gigabyte model a week before Black Friday then AMD Is forced to change their prices. But that's just my guess.


But with the step up program you get the 90 day window so if NVIDIA came out with a upgrade after AMD’s release it’s a moot point you just step up. My personal guess is AMD didn’t expect the flagship card for NVIDIA to drop to $699 and be such an upgrade in performance then a 2080ti. If AMD guessed wrong we could see NVIDIA wait a year or longer to refresh the brand and see if AMD is able to respond.



The likelihood of NVIDIA releasing an upgrade in less than 6 months is pretty slim IMO
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 14:59:54 (permalink)
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Of course it's more rational. But I don't have a GPU and I'm impatient. Lol

Hear hear!
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 15:00:49 (permalink)
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https://wccftech.com/amd-...-graphics-card-volume/

October 28 seems to be AMD's launch. NVidia might play their cards and release the 20 Gigabyte 3080 model shortly before or after that date. My guess would be that NVidia releases the 3080 20 Gigabyte model a week before Black Friday then AMD Is forced to change their prices. But that's just my guess.


But with the step up program you get the 90 day window so if NVIDIA came out with a upgrade after AMD’s release it’s a moot point you just step up. My personal guess is AMD didn’t expect the flagship card for NVIDIA to drop to $699 and be such an upgrade in performance then a 2080ti. If AMD guessed wrong we could see NVIDIA wait a year or longer to refresh the brand and see if AMD is able to respond.



The likelihood of NVIDIA releasing an upgrade in less than 6 months is pretty slim IMO


I wouldn't be so sure because this whole launch seems like nvidia has gotten super aggro to try and defend their crown, it honestly just seems like they take rdna2 very seriously and are readying a counter punch for what they know will be a strong offering.  
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 16:56:38 (permalink)
Waiting is always the best course of action, but I can never be patient enough haha. 
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 16:59:52 (permalink)
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I am definitely waiting until around Black Friday / Cyberweek or even later before pulling the trigger... Hopefully the hardware and/or drivers have been sorted out by then.


But you'll also have to fight the bot idiocy too during that holiday period?  agreed, waiting at this point is best. Heck, I've waited almost 3.5 years to replace my GPU.  why not  a couple more months... :-)

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/25 23:52:36 (permalink)
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My system is still rocking with 980Ti, ha! I was so tempted to upgrade to 2080Ti last year,but with the rarity and marked up price, I decided to hold off until now. But I guess I will wait until the dust is settled.




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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:03:39 (permalink)
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My system is still rocking with 980Ti, ha! I was so tempted to upgrade to 2080Ti last year,but with the rarity and marked up price, I decided to hold off until now. But I guess I will wait until the dust is settled.




This is me, 100%.


Me too.
I was too embarrassed to admit my old hardware until I saw this post. (thank u)
I don't even have the Ti, I just have the 980.  (I'm always in that group that gets their card the week before the Ti comes out)
Fortunately, I have an 850 W PSU in my old rig.  I should be able to handle the new card until I do a complete rebuild.

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:09:36 (permalink)
It's not even bots that are blocking us.
It's unprecedented demand.  I spoke to Sales Support at EVGA today and he said their notification queues are 50,000+ for *each* of the 3000 series products.
This is such an awesome card, with an AMD-destroying price, lots of folks skipped the 2000 series entirely and everyone's all jumping in at the same time.
Me too.
I hate those bot guys, but i'm tempted to buy a bot just to buy a single card.
But then I think "F*** those guys!"  I'm not giving them $100 just to save 2 or 3 months.
I like your comment "Heck I've waited almost 3.5 years to replace my GPU.  why not a couple more"
Yeah--THIS.
Definitely.
 

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:12:29 (permalink)
tigerlord
Anyone with the willpower or ability to wait until at least the Big Navi announcement would be with wisest 


True, if my inability to score a 3080 continues to then, I'll consider Big Navi.

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:16:30 (permalink)
Dude, grats on graduating to PC--and your own build.
That's a dramatic change from Apple products. 
You'll love how *every* *single* *game* runs on your new build.
Frankfraga
This is what a reasonable person would do but some can’t wait including myself. I’ve never built a pc always used macs and did my first build last month and waited for the new cards to have the newest tech. Now I have a beautiful PC sitting next to my Mac needing a card to turn on and see if it works. I will not pay over 100% MSRP for it amd it leaves me here waiting to become an elite member and have a better chance or for AMD to save the day.



PCs forever.

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:20:52 (permalink)
You know, I feel the exact same way.  I don't remember what it was, but i dread Big Navi.
My only feeling is that it should open up the inventory a little for the nVidia cards again.
Now I'm stuck just poring over these forums cuz I don't have a 3080 yet.
And f*** the bot boys.  Not paying one penny more than 100% retail price. (Sorry, Turettes)
Kyato
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The temptation is real!
My 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra is an excellent performer, runs cool, quiet and trouble free so there is no reason I need to replace it.
However I have been all about waiting to see what AMD brings with RDNA2.  I have used AMD cards is the past with great success and would have no problem going that route providing they bring a compelling option to switch back. If I do upgrade to another Nvidia card it will be EVGA due to their exceptional customer service



To be honest, after the way I was treated by AMD years ago, I can't conceive buying their cards (or anything from them anymore) which is why my only option is to be patient with Nvidia. However, EVGA has been rather faithful to me, so I see no reason not to buy from them.





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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:48:07 (permalink)
Yes it does!
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:50:14 (permalink)
Definitely is!
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 00:51:35 (permalink)
Yeah, waiting is typically the best approach here. 
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 01:09:21 (permalink)
My 980Ti can hold on for a few more weeks I suppose.
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 01:33:36 (permalink)
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mchang1984
https://wccftech.com/amd-...-graphics-card-volume/
 
October 28 seems to be AMD's launch. NVidia might play their cards and release the 20 Gigabyte 3080 model shortly before or after that date. My guess would be that NVidia releases the 3080 20 Gigabyte model a week before Black Friday then AMD Is forced to change their prices. But that's just my guess.


But with the step up program you get the 90 day window so if NVIDIA came out with a upgrade after AMD’s release it’s a moot point you just step up. My personal guess is AMD didn’t expect the flagship card for NVIDIA to drop to $699 and be such an upgrade in performance then a 2080ti. If AMD guessed wrong we could see NVIDIA wait a year or longer to refresh the brand and see if AMD is able to respond.



Well, grapevine says AMD completely predicted performance and the cards fell into their expected pricing range. Some rumors are starting to suggest the Navi card will seriously compete with the 3080 in raw performance, so I don't forsee AMD changing anything. This mess of a launch pretty much also set them up for a strong followup.
 
I'm still getting a 3080 anyway, but even if a 20gig super comes along I definitely wouldn't upgrade. I don't know why any gamer-focused individual would want to, but hey, it's their money to spend.
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 02:25:20 (permalink)
How long do you think we should wait? I'm hoping to get a new GPU by Christmas at the very latest. Hopefully by the time Valhalla is released on Nov. 10th. 
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 02:30:53 (permalink)
 
I think the more rational course would be to have our significant other have us locked away on the funny farm until 3080s become plenty next year  

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 03:08:44 (permalink)
Waiting is always a more prudent course.


 
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 07:50:22 (permalink)
absolutely, but i have a fresh GPUless build like many others, making this launch painful
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 07:52:24 (permalink)
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I didn't think there was any rational people left. ill be dipped




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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 18:40:24 (permalink)
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Looking at all the factors and variables it seems better to wait it out until after the AMD RDNA2 launch. Personally I'm trying to convince myself to chill and be patient.
-There is a seemingly confirmed 20GB version coming, maybe also with extra cores, etc. A potential 3070 Ti/Super also.
-RDNA2 could cause a price cut to be more competitive
-Stock normalizing in the coming months makes less frustrating to get one at all
-Better driver optimization over time


What other reasons are there to wait and be patient for more developments?
Help convince me it's a better idea to wait it out until after RDNA2 is released.


I 100% agree.  Also I love your signature.  It fits the thread very well.
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 18:45:37 (permalink)
I would wait.  My bet is BIG NAVI comes out with 16gb and speed = 3080 with out the paper launch and crashes at $100 less then the FE card.   Besides when BIG boy releases, nvidia will have to drop prices to compete with them, and then release the 20gb version.  AMD please dont mess up

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/26 19:20:10 (permalink)
I’m starting to lose it mentally i have been waiting patiently to Upgrade my 980ti for a while now. 
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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/27 15:24:25 (permalink)
It is almost like a slow moving train crash.  You can see what is happening, but are impossible to look away or change the outcome.  Like moths to a flame....
 
Rationality is for fools (and really, really patient people).

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Re: Waiting it out seems to be the more rational course 2020/09/27 17:36:37 (permalink)
I currently have a EVGA 980ti Classy, and have waited a number of years before seeing the performance of 3000 series and decided to build a new computer now. I will most likely do 3080 or 3090 and do step up if anything else comes out.


 
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