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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 05:48:10
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I don't recommend anyone buy a 30 series card until we see what Big Navi looks like.
DO NOT BUY THIS GARBAGE.
EVEN IF YOURE IN THE MARKET FOR THE 3080 WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER OR YOU WILL REGRET IT.
This ^ really just is the best assessment of the situation right now:
1) Look how AMD is forcing Intel to make big changes (price, tech, market)
2) NVidia is driving up demand (and thus pricing) with a manufactured shortage or permitted thin launch. \
3) The performance of the 3000 series looks great, but only because the 2000 failed so much.
4) Ti / super cards will be manufactured on a superior node process ???
I'm proud of how NVidia has made themselves into a massive company; but, remember that our dollars paid for it. We should always demand a better product if superior technology exists, or if a good portion of that money went straight to profits.
Who cares what 'big navi' looks like? I wouldn't buy ATi (still is to me..don't care if AMD owns it now) if you paid me.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 06:36:53
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Who cares what 'big navi' looks like? I wouldn't buy ATi (still is to me..don't care if AMD owns it now) if you paid me.
I couldn't agree more. The last ATI card I owned was a Radeon x700 xt, and I will never buy another one either. AMD/ATI is typically an inferior product every generation. But, where I agree with the person who has been disparaged in this thread, is that competition is good. If AMD continues to actually put out a competitive product (like the RX580 & 5700XT), perhaps team green will be forced to give consumers more bang for the buck. The 2000 series was underwhelming on so many levels. Hype cannot replace function. I'm only advocating for people to spend their dollars wisely. (We shop EVGA for a reason no?)
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 06:50:33
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Another reference point,
Jays2cents used an air conditioning unit and ran benchmarks with an average temp of 34 C.
This is most comparable to a water-cooled temp. Slightly lower actually but he didnt use an optimal Mobo and ram was running at 3200Mhz. He also used a founders card which has less power access compared to a 3090ftw3.
He was able to score 14,633.
This gives a good indication of performance jump over 2080ti
My 2080ti Kingpin's temp w/ hydro block is around 32-34c max during games ;) .2205mhz while gaming. Room temp between 64-72f.. basement room depending if the air is running or heat. 2x EK 60mm 360,2x EK 60mm 480 rads and a 520 rad for good measure.. 2 dual combo d5 pumps.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 06:51:21
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Who cares what 'big navi' looks like? I wouldn't buy ATi (still is to me..don't care if AMD owns it now) if you paid me.
You should care that the marketplace is a competitive one because it's to our advantage as consumers.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 07:00:33
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I've got a pre-order for a 3080 FTW3 Ultra air from Adorama, but every day that goes by I get closer canceling it and just waiting for the mid-gen refresh and a 3080 Ti FTW3 hybrid. The 240mm hybrid (kit) will not fit my case so I'm looking at a case upgrade and would get a bigger cpu AIO, so if I'm going to do all that I might as well do a block + basic custom loop. I can drop the 3080 FTW3 in my case now, but would spend another $500+ to cool it properly. Doesn't seem worth it for only 20% gains and highly questionable OC headroom. My original plan was to buy one and test it, then sell it along, but the hype seems to have slowed.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 07:13:23
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 07:16:04
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My 2080ti Kingpin's temp w/ hydro block is around 32-34c max during games ;) .2205mhz while gaming.
Room temp between 64-72f.. basement room depending if the air is running or heat.
2x EK 60mm 360,2x EK 60mm 480 rads and a 520 rad for good measure.. 2 dual combo d5 pumps.
Thats really interesting that your getting these temps. Do you think it has more to do with the VRMs and general build of the kingpin? Someone else reported incredible temps just from the AIO. I'm under the impression Kingpin in general gets much better thermals For me personally, i have the 2 loops. My cpu has its own 420mm rad.... My gpu has a 2 x 420mm 45mm thick EK high flow rads. One is even setup in a push pull config. TBF I run the fans low.. so low that i literally cannot hear anything at all other than my psu fan (lol) but still 840mm for a single component is already overkill and i dont believe adding more would do much for temps. Under load after the water temp rises, i see 45 C while gaming with the FTW3 Hydro. I'm really just under the impression that Kingpin cards run cooler in general but i would like some confirmation
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 07:38:29
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ehabash1
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My 2080ti Kingpin's temp w/ hydro block is around 32-34c max during games ;) .2205mhz while gaming.
Room temp between 64-72f.. basement room depending if the air is running or heat.
2x EK 60mm 360,2x EK 60mm 480 rads and a 520 rad for good measure.. 2 dual combo d5 pumps.
Thats really interesting that your getting these temps. Do you think it has more to do with the VRMs and general build of the kingpin? Someone else reported incredible temps just from the AIO. I'm under the impression Kingpin in general gets much better thermals
For me personally, i have the 2 loops. My cpu has its own 420mm rad.... My gpu has a 2 x 420mm 45mm thick EK high flow rads. One is even setup in a push pull config. TBF I run the fans low.. so low that i literally cannot hear anything at all other than my psu fan (lol) but still 840mm for a single component is already overkill and i dont believe adding more would do much for temps. Under load after the water temp rises, i see 45 C while gaming with the FTW3 Hydro.
I'm really just under the impression that Kingpin cards run cooler in general but i would like some confirmation
Mine is a single loop with a 9900k @ 5 2ghz. Anyways the 2080ti Kingpin was released only with a 240mm aio rad, so that maybe why your thinking it was cooler. When I ran that for a month or so before getting the copper block I had push pull fans on it and got a max temp of 39c which was crazy as it never it 40c hehe. Had a 2080ti ftw3 ultra 2 weeks before the kingpin and had a hydro copper block for it on a single loop with the ek 480 rad and I believe max temp was 34c. That card was a great clocker only on water! 2175/2205 benches. Total joke on air as I checked it after putting the air cooler back on before returning it for kicks and I couldnt get 2100mhz. Basically struggled to do +50 on the core. Called that block its superman Cape! Haha Guessing the 3080/3090 will really open up with water cooling as well. I got inspired seeing jay2cents video where he built a rad wall using 4 480 rads and a cheap box fan and was able to cool a card to basically room temp. I went for it but with 2 360 rads I had left over after upgrading to 2 480 rads.. basically using what I had. Water temps basically hold room temp though. 21/22c.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 08:03:49
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Ok so you bought and installed the block instead of from factory. Im interested to see if your thermal compound is just a lot better than what EVGA gives standard. Maybe you used Kyronaut and EVGA uses some generic crap for cost savings. Also if your doing it by hand and applying a thin layer, it probably outperforms a machine which could lay it on thick
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 08:10:26
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Ok so you bought and installed the block instead of from factory. Im interested to see if your thermal compound is just a lot better than what EVGA gives standard. Maybe you used Kyronaut and EVGA uses some generic crap for cost savings. Also if your doing it by hand and applying a thin layer, it probably outperforms a machine which could lay it on thick
Naw.. I use gelid extreme thermal paste.. https://www.amazon.com/Ge...2Caps%2C245&sr=8-6I always put it on thick. Star pattern. Squeeze out the excess apon install. My thinking.. best to make sure contact then thin and not making full contact. Makes for a long cleanup though hehe Do it once and get'r done!
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 08:18:22
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My 1080 TI kingpin with a g12 on an x42 Maxes out at 53c. +150 MHz on v-core, +300 MHz on vram. Got some pretty decent scores on 3D Mark with it. I will be waiting for the ftw3 ultra hybrid or the kingpin hybrid depending on how big the price jump is. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22996882
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 08:21:50
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Most likely the only card I go for will be the kingpin unless something crazy happens.
Guessing $2199.95 and another $300+ on the copper block :/
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 08:59:47
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My 1080 TI kingpin with a g12 on an x42 Maxes out at 53c. +150 MHz on v-core, +300 MHz on vram. Got some pretty decent scores on 3D Mark with it. I will be waiting for the ftw3 ultra hybrid or the kingpin hybrid depending on how big the price jump is.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/22996882
That's it? Something is off with your score, I'm doing 1000 points higher with an FE with default vbios @ 2000 MHz under full water block around 40C on about the entire component with an undervolt (1.025v), +450 memory. https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17571516 I don't think you need to fork out another $500 for another Kingpin, I would put that money towards a proper loop and water block (instead of AIO's) and learn how to undervolt and overclock properly. 30,000 for Kingpin isn't a decent score, sorry.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 09:41:26
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Two things could have happened I overheated the card and damaged it when I was running the stock air cooler or I lost on the silicon lottery even with the kingpin. They only guaranteed a Max overclock of 2025MHz on the core so maybe I got weak vrms? Nobody really coached me on how to properly overclock and a custom loop is out of the question. And the 3D Mark score link is less than the one that I posted not a thousand more.
post edited by nirvashone - 2020/09/28 09:43:41
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 10:37:53
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I have been planning on getting a 3090 to use at 8k resolution in games that it can run at that res or support DLSS or similar tech. Disappointed that few games can run at 8k natively but will be excited to try the ones that can.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 19:15:16
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Yeah, I'm still getting one as well. I want the best, and nobody can take that away from the 3090. The extra 10 fps could give me a locked 144 fps experience over a 3080. Plus who knows about SLI down the road, will be interesting to see how that goes knowing what the future is like...
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 19:23:24
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I wanted to get one as well to try and push 4k @ 144fps but it seems I'll have to play the waiting game for now until stock comes back.
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
2020/09/28 19:35:42
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I am holding out of the FTW 3090. That will keep me going for a LONG TIME
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Re: 3090 Benchmarks are up!
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It’s a lot for the card but it’s also the card that will probably last over a generation. It could be four to six years a 3090 would still be a great card.
Prediction:
NV will be forced to develop 5nm Hopper next year after AMD upsets the GPU market this year.
Upsetting the GPU market:
A $1000 GPU that is faster than the 3080 with 16GB of video memory (Navi 21, 80 CU) @ 300w that runs all of the next gen console ports anywhere from 25-35% (or more) faster because the console port engines were built from the ground up around RDNA 2 and Nvidia will then need to come in after the fact with their own version of path tracing, AI super-sampling and rapid storage retrieval GPU pipeline (RTX IO) facilitated through the driver and we know how efficient that looks right now (compare anything to Vulkan, i.e. Red Dead Redemption 2 where Vulkan is 10% faster than DX12).
Also, said consoles will have path tracing and AI supersampling and will be native to the engines developed around RDNA 2.
Basically what I'm talking about is something as fast or faster than the 3090 for $1000 (in console ports) in November.
If that happens, and Nvidia has their Comet Lake moment where people just stop buying iterative garbage because the competitor has a better product, well, we will see Hopper next year and Hopper on 5nm will completely blow 8nm EUV Ampere out of the water.
It will be Nvidia's come back moment.
I don't recommend anyone buy a 30 series card until we see what Big Navi looks like.
If you absolutely must buy an Nvidia card (G-Sync panel like I have with my AW3418DW) if you wait until Nov Nvidia may actually release a 16-20GB full GA-102-300 die (not cut down) card for $1000 in response to a 6900xt that is faster than the 3080.
They will be forced to.
Think about it.
They can't squeeze anything in between GA-102-200 and GA-102-300 because there is only a ~15% difference there.
They will be forced to put a "3080 Super" or "3080 Ti" up on offer in response and that's fine BECAUSE THE 3090 IS RIDICULOUSLY OVER-PRICED.
The profit margin on this must be astronomical. Especially the AIB variants that don't have a $180 cooler (Igor's Lab estimates the 3080 FE cooler is $155, how much do you think the 25% larger 3090 cooler costs?).
This is price-gouging iterative garbage at it's finest.
DO NOT BUY THIS GARBAGE.
EVEN IF YOURE IN THE MARKET FOR THE 3080 WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER OR YOU WILL REGRET IT.
NV can't squeeze a card in between the 3080 and 3090 and they will have to release a card that performs as fast as 6900xt if 6900xt winds up being faster than the 3080.
Here's how Navi 21 is shaping up: https://youtu.be/dChKb3LG38s?t=718
Relevant comparison to Quadro 6000.
man this comment aged like milk
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