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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/07/31 00:05:41
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that is the hybrid version not the hydro copper.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/07/31 13:55:34
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Finally got my Hydrocopper kit installed on my Kingpin, and installed my hardline loop. When removing the KP hydro kit, the thermal pads were in horrible shape, had turned into a sticky playdough consistently and was a nightmare to scrape off the VRAM. Absolutely crazy how much the temperature of both the GPU and Vram/Mem junc temps dropped.
Temps were taken after an hour of running port royal stress test in 3dmark
With Hybrid kit
GPU Temperature: 64.6C MAX 64.6C
GPU Memory Junction temp: 86 MAX 86
Mem1 Max Reached : 79.3C
Mem2 Max Reached : 79.3C
With Hydro Copper
GPU Temperature: 51.7C MAX 51.8
GPU Memory Junction temp: 66C MAX Reached 68C
Mem1 47.4C MAX 48.1
Mem2 53C MAX 53.5
Just curious as my block is coming in tomorrow, but whats your ambient air temp? Your hybrid temps are like 15-20*C higher than mine, and your custom loop looks stout and 50*C temps for a custom loop build seems really high.
Ambient temps are around 21C, but can get warmer as the room isn't too large and the 5950x/3090 generate a lot of heat. There likely could have been something wrong with my hybrid cooler, the thermal pads were reduced to a sticky mush versus an actual pad on removal, had to spend an hour scraping it off. As far as the 50C temp that is not high at all for a 3090 Kingpin or any 3090 really in the middle of an hour long stress test, and with the system handling the heat from the 5950x at the same time to boot. Fluid temp got up to 37C due to running an hour of prime 95 on CPU to grab those temps before the GPU stress test ran though. Performance difference between custom loops and AIO's is only a few degrees, unless you doing something abstract like chilling your rads.
I was quite surprised with how good the 360mm aio was for the kingpin tbh, its almost better temps than my wc 2080ti and way way faster. My ambient temps are 24-25*C and my kingpin sits around 43*C gaming.
My 2080ti hybrid was in the 60s for temps and on water it dropped to mid 40s.
I guess with a delta of 13*C its not bad, if that holds true then mine hopefully should be low 40s or hopefully lower since my water temps stays around 26-28*C, mainly cause i have like 1140mm of rad space lol. Did you use the provided paste or aftermarket?
I used the pre-applied paste, by the time I got to that step I was tired and just wasn't worth removing it. Keep me posted on what your thermals end up being at, in normal gaming (Apex/FPS's etc I hover around 42C, creep up to about 50C in Cyberpunk max settings). Not sure how accurate my water sensor plug is because its in one of the outlet ports on the GPU, could be picking up extra few degrees from vicinity of the GPU. Had planned on putting it on a spare port on the distroplate but found out at the very end of build that my fittings were too big to allow something screwed in next to it.
Finally got the time to throw mine on, and well im pretty damn disappointed so far. I added an extra 420mmx60mm rad to my loop, so now i have 4 rads now, but anyway, on to thermals. Theyre exactly the damn same for the gpu die, my PWR1-5, MEM1-3 are like 5-10*C cooler, Memory temp is like maybe 8*C cooler, Hot spot about 4-6*C cooler. My idle temps are the same (which is good cause they were pretty much ambient), but under load my GPU temp is the exact same. At 27*C water temp, my gpu runs at 48-49*C on COD MW, thats damn near 22-23*C Delta, and pretty much what i was getting on the hybrid cooler. Not sure if for whatever reason its a mounting issue or thermal paste issue, i used kingpins paste and spread it evenly around, did this for my 2080ti and 10900k pastings which had no issues so im not really sure. Im not super thrilled to take this guy off to double check the tightness. Ill post back when i do and see if theres any improvement which i hope there is, is usually see others with like 10-15*C delta so i think somethings off). Only positive was that extra rad really made my water temps even better, but didnt seem to help the hydrocopper. EDIT: Tightened up the screws (Werent loose but went a few more threads and now im getting a 4-5*C improvement on the core, still not as good as i was expecting but at least now its better.) EDIT #2 (lol): Got a new tube of KPx paste, slapped it on and tightened stuff up, now im finally getting some good temps that align with others, max delta ive seen is 14*C.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/01 13:56:30
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/01 14:05:02
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
It is not ghetto. It is your design and execution, so well done. Enjoy your Kingpin!
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/01 14:07:54
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
It is not ghetto. It is your design and execution, so well done. Enjoy your Kingpin!
Agreed, as long as you are happy with it, look and execution don't give extra cooling point unless you make obstruction. All I see is a KPHC... With enough rad to cool CPU and GPU, enjoy, I love mine.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/01 23:50:57
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These blocks just aren’t that amazing guys..
Trust me.. lol. I have re-mounted mine already to confirm. Temps were only better for the memory and VRM’s. GPU temps are about the same.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/02 00:09:35
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RTX 3090 K|NGP|N OPTIMUS BLOCK, 10900K on Z490 MAXIMUS HERO, 32GB DDR4 3200@3800, Custom loop: 2x 560 + 480 rads, dual pump
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/02 00:12:18
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
Could you share some tips on KP Hydro Copper mounting technique? Did you change thermal pads? Change anything else? How much KPX paste did you use? I would LOVE to get a 14C DELTA!!! Lol. My temps are better after re-mounting. But then I dealt with a clog in my custom loop. I have removed the clog, I have excellent flow, and excellent water temps, I usually hover around 50-53C+ at 500 watts of load. But my deltas are not good at all. My water temps are 27C. So my delta is usually 23-26+ over load water temp. Anything helps! That Optimus Kingpin 3090 block sure is looking good right about now lol.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/02 00:26:56
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i dont get it my temps were 38c on 600w of load. thats like a 10-15c delta. granted i only repasted the gpu, i am just waiting on thermal putty for my memory due to the sizes being 2.25mm.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/02 07:36:43
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
It is not ghetto. It is your design and execution, so well done. Enjoy your Kingpin!
Agreed, as long as you are happy with it, look and execution don't give extra cooling point unless you make obstruction.
All I see is a KPHC... With enough rad to cool CPU and GPU, enjoy, I love mine.
Appreciate fellas, originally it was all contained, but ever since i swapped in the 10900k that guy alone heated up my loop just as much as my 9700k+2080ti did, so figured needed (for me, it wasnt Needed per say) extra cooling for potentially an extra 520 watts. forgot to mention that delta was under 450-460w of load and stayed there for a few hours. Water temp goes from 26*C to 30*C and stabilizes. tps34433
These blocks just aren’t that amazing guys..
Trust me.. lol. I have re-mounted mine already to confirm. Temps were only better for the memory and VRM’s. GPU temps are about the same.
I agree, especially for the price. Hard to compare, but i saw a 25*c drop from my 2080ti hybrid to my ekwb waterblock for it. I know diminishing returns and all that once you got past 360mm, but even then youd think youd see a decent drop going from a 360mm aio to a 360mm custom loop and block for example. However in my case (and others), im seeing a slight couple of degree drop in temps even with my loop. Before i repasted i was a little bit steamed to see temps higher than my aio. Someone did post the new heatkiller block for it, but $600? At this point im accepting what i have lol, already way overspent on this stuff as is.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/02 07:55:23
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
Could you share some tips on KP Hydro Copper mounting technique? Did you change thermal pads? Change anything else? How much KPX paste did you use? I would LOVE to get a 14C DELTA!!! Lol.
My temps are better after re-mounting. But then I dealt with a clog in my custom loop. I have removed the clog, I have excellent flow, and excellent water temps, I usually hover around 50-53C+ at 500 watts of load. But my deltas are not good at all. My water temps are 27C. So my delta is usually 23-26+ over load water temp.
Anything helps! That Optimus Kingpin 3090 block sure is looking good right about now lol.
Meant to quote this too but missed it. As for mounting i probably did the same as you, i think the first time i may have put too much paste + paste might have been too old. With the new tube i put a rough pea size drop down then spread it decently around the die as much i could, then a very tiny drop more in the center since i couldnt cover the die and figured mounting it would spread it where its needed. When i took off the block from the first pasting i noticed some of the paste went off the die which was a pain to clean, and after the second repasting my mem junction and hotspot temps also went down into the mid 50s instead of the 60s. Used stock thermal pads and puddy, mainly cause i read too many threads of differing thickness sizes and compressibility differences i did not want to mess with it at that point. On cod mw which pulls like 450-460 watts on the first repaste and retightening was getting around 48-50c, which was higher than my aio. Second repaste getting around 41-43*C. Typically my kingpin doesnt pull over that wattage unless im playing project wingman which is funny and i have not yet tested that with the block. Its also the first part in my loop after the pump which is running around 90%, dont have a flowmeter so im not sure the gpm. Loop order is Pump-GPU-420mm rad-cpu-420mm rad-360mm rad-360mm rad-pump. CPU temps remain the same which i believe is due to it being cooled by the rad after the gpu first. i know people say loop order doesnt matter and tbh i think thats partially incorrect. Its correct in the sense that to the average person not chasing 100% efficiency its usually ignorable, but incorrect in that there still is a difference. Velocity of the fluid slows down over the course of the system (which can affect rate of transfer), and heat taken from the blocks still remains until taken to the rad(s) to be transferred out. There technically is no "fluid equilibrium" as many people say. Sorry for the tangent, just something thats been on my mind.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/03 11:42:31
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Zvedza
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The most ghetto water loop on this forum probably lol.
Maybe second place? I'm pretty sure I nailed the most ghetto:
https://forums.evga.com/GHETTO-Hook-your-Kingpin-up-to-your-loop-For-now-m3214839-p3.aspx
But it's come a long way:
Man i cant win ant anything!
I heavily debated adding one of those water chillers, but figured an extra rad would be good enough, and it is, but always considering more.
It is loud but the temps and OC are intoxicating. 66dba measured at the desk. There was a time when I was playing with airflow, and I took the same 66dba from duct fans down to 42dba. I want to upgrade to a Glycol chiller, and then I may build something like this around it:  o.O talk about proper air flow... back to on topic!
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/28 16:19:47
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Does anyone else have issues with the Kingpin Hydro Copper blocks leaking between the black part with the fittings and the acrylic or black trip piece on the acrylic? One of mine is a constant drip every few seconds if I turn the pump up to full speed and a slower leak at lower pump speeds.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/28 16:49:45
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Does anyone else have issues with the Kingpin Hydro Copper blocks leaking between the black part with the fittings and the acrylic or black trip piece on the acrylic? One of mine is a constant drip every few seconds if I turn the pump up to full speed and a slower leak at lower pump speeds.
Mine has never leaked. Checked your fittings, check your screws just to make sure they’re snug. Don’t over tighten. Contact EVGA ASAP. Is record the leak too. What your describing sounds like what the Corsair 2080Ti waterblocks did. They would leak at the terminal with the thinnest amount of any lateral force applied at all. Even just the tension of a water line tugging.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/28 18:33:55
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tps34433
Mine has never leaked. Checked your fittings, check
your screws just to make sure they’re snug. Don’t over tighten. Contact EVGA ASAP. Is record the leak too.
What your describing sounds like what the Corsair 2080Ti waterblocks did. They would leak at the terminal with the thinnest amount of any lateral force applied at all. Even just the tension of a water line tugging.
I'm beyond 100% certain its not the fittings. I can see the coolant leaking out from the area between the black acrylic/plastic piece where the fittings are and the clear acrylic.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/29 11:45:38
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Mine has never leaked. Checked your fittings, check
your screws just to make sure they’re snug. Don’t over tighten. Contact EVGA ASAP. Is record the leak too.
What your describing sounds like what the Corsair 2080Ti waterblocks did. They would leak at the terminal with the thinnest amount of any lateral force applied at all. Even just the tension of a water line tugging.
I'm beyond 100% creating its not the fittings. I can see the coolant leaking out form the area between the black acrylic/plastic piece where the fittings are and the clear acrylic.
You see what I put on Discord Bavor?
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/29 22:27:56
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Mine has never leaked. Checked your fittings, check
your screws just to make sure they’re snug. Don’t over tighten. Contact EVGA ASAP. Is record the leak too.
What your describing sounds like what the Corsair 2080Ti waterblocks did. They would leak at the terminal with the thinnest amount of any lateral force applied at all. Even just the tension of a water line tugging.
I'm beyond 100% certain its not the fittings. I can see the coolant leaking out from the area between the black acrylic/plastic piece where the fittings are and the clear acrylic.
That was just one thing I mentioned.. I get it, you said it’s leaking behind the terminal. I know where it’s at, and I know what your talking about. Try to heat it up with a blow dryer around the area that’s leaking, make sure none of your screws are over tightened. Maybe this can be fixed easily by Evga Also, the arrows on the front acrylic part of the block are not intended for water flow direction. They are for fluid dynamics only, they are intentional triangles to improve water flow by splitting the water to eliminate hot spots. Also, check all of your G1/4 plugs too. Make sure they all have O-Rings on them. And make sure they are tightened enough. I had a tiny drip around one of my G1/4 plugs once .. Contact Evga, and have them send you another one. These blocks are leak tested by Evga, although it isnt impossible to miss one going through QC. It happens. Good luck with everything.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/30 14:54:37
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That was just one thing I mentioned.. I get it, you said it’s leaking behind the terminal. I know where it’s at, and I know what your talking about. Try to heat it up with a blow dryer around the area that’s leaking, make sure none of your screws are over tightened. Maybe this can be fixed easily by Evga Also, the arrows on the front acrylic part of the block are not intended for water flow direction. They are for fluid dynamics only, they are intentional triangles to improve water flow by splitting the water to eliminate hot spots. Also, check all of your G1/4 plugs too. Make sure they all have O-Rings on them. And make sure they are tightened enough. I had a tiny drip around one of my G1/4 plugs once ..
Contact Evga, and have them send you another one. These blocks are leak tested by Evga, although it isnt impossible to miss one going through QC. It happens.
Good luck with everything.
Trust me, I've tried all of that. It actually feels that the black plastic piece where the fittings attach is loose. There are no visible screws to tighten it to the acrylic. I know the proper water flow direction. I don't know why you keep going on and on about the plugs and fittings when there is water visibly dripping out between the clear acrylic and the dark plastic piece where the fittings are. I get it that you are trying to be helpful, but you are ignoring what was said above. I'd rather fix it myself if EVGA designed that part to be tightened. If I can't figure out how, I'll contact EVGA.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/08/31 09:26:14
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That was just one thing I mentioned.. I get it, you said it’s leaking behind the terminal. I know where it’s at, and I know what your talking about. Try to heat it up with a blow dryer around the area that’s leaking, make sure none of your screws are over tightened. Maybe this can be fixed easily by Evga Also, the arrows on the front acrylic part of the block are not intended for water flow direction. They are for fluid dynamics only, they are intentional triangles to improve water flow by splitting the water to eliminate hot spots. Also, check all of your G1/4 plugs too. Make sure they all have O-Rings on them. And make sure they are tightened enough. I had a tiny drip around one of my G1/4 plugs once ..
Contact Evga, and have them send you another one. These blocks are leak tested by Evga, although it isnt impossible to miss one going through QC. It happens.
Good luck with everything.
Trust me, I've tried all of that. It actually feels that the black plastic piece where the fittings attach is loose. There are no visible screws to tighten it to the acrylic. I know the proper water flow direction. I don't know why you keep going on and on about the plugs and fittings when there is water visibly dripping out between the clear acrylic and the dark plastic piece where the fittings are. I get it that you are trying to be helpful, but you are ignoring what was said above.
I'd rather fix it myself if EVGA designed that part to be tightened. If I can't figure out how, I'll contact EVGA.
Right, the terminal probably just presses in with force. Get a heat gun, warm it Up some and press it down as hard as you can.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/20 20:06:38
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Curious if anyone of you know how to pull the block apart on the 3090 kingpin hydrocopper block to clean it ?
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/20 20:28:01
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Curious if anyone of you know how to pull the block apart on the 3090 kingpin hydrocopper block to clean it ?
Looking at pics of it, looks like you can remove the outer portion of the block using a hex screw bit. Looks like the same concept as EK blocks as well as other brands. Just make sure it’s drained and plugged before you start taking that off, and have something handy to lop up any residual liquid.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/20 20:58:12
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yea i tried that didn't come off and even took some out from backplate that looked to be thru to the copper that didnt work either i sent a msg to evga support asking them im thinking maybe the part holds barbs has to come off just dont wanna break anything.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/21 19:55:26
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evga support got back to me theres no way to take the block apart without voiding your waranty and damaging the block.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/23 07:37:49
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tps34433
Right, the terminal probably just presses in with force. Get a heat gun, warm it Up
some and press it down as hard as you can.
The terminal is held in with two screws. On one of my blocks, the screws were loose from the factory. It seems that is fixed now. On the other block the screw was cross threaded and taking if out then putting it back in didn't fix the issue. EVGA did a RMA and since the Hydro Coppers KPs were out of stock, they sent me a 3090 KP Hybrid and the difference in MSRP in EVGA bucks. I'm rather disappointed in the poor design and build quality of the Kp Hydro Copper blocks.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/26 16:55:51
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EvgaUser2711201
https://forums.evga.com/m.m.aspx?m=3274504&p=1
This thread mentions the info from evga support apparently.
“ The 3090 KingPin HydroCopper kit includes thermal pads. The thickness of each of the pads vary on which component and location they are placed.
VRAM: 2.25mm
PWM near PCIE power cables: 2.75mm
PWM near I/O: 2.75mm”
Since these pads are so soft I guess this is before they are compressed?
Dude thank you. I have read like 100 pages of these threads trying to find the correct pad thickness. my PWM area pads came apart when I was reseating the block after my GPU paste dried out (kyronaut  ). Its been a rather fast descent into REALLY high hot spot temperatures since then.
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Re: RTX 3090 Kingpin Hydrocopper
2021/10/27 08:11:26
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bal3wolf
yea i tried that didn't come off and even took some out from backplate that looked to be thru to the copper that didnt work either i sent a msg to evga support asking them im thinking maybe the part holds barbs has to come off just dont wanna break anything.
it breaks down almost exactly the same as the 2080 hydrocopper block. You have to remove the led cover on top of the inlet/outlet , remove the led backlight , then remove 2 hex screws
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