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2020/09/19 08:45:39 (permalink)
 
Been building up a folding rig server.
I have 1 MSI GTX 1050 4 gb
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2 Asus GTX 1050 2gb
 
When I add another GTX 1050 2 gb, my folding software keeps downloading and sending WU´s. It impacts 2 graphic cards.
When I remove the graphic card. Everything works great.
Been updating the drivers, I even tested the graphic card on a different computer ( Works Great ), I could play eve online, I can even fold on my computer, but it wont start to fold on my server.
Windows 10 Pro is fully updated.
 
Any tip how to solve this?
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 08:55:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FAH-Hacker 2020/10/28 07:32:00
Move to linux?  It's possible your folding server doesn't have a fast enough processor to feed the cards, as it takes 1 full core per card in windows. (or at least it did last time I dealt with this issue).

 

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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 09:08:56 (permalink)
I was suspecting that, but I have an Intel I5 gen6 cpu with 4 cores, it should work with 1 core per graphic card.
My motherboard (H110 pro btc+) supports Intel gen 6 & 7.
How ever, when the jobs are received & the 3 graphic cards are working, the cpu usage is nearly 90 % more or less.
 
No Linux & No mac for me, just windows.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 10:15:12 (permalink)
I'd double check the settings once the third card is installed. Especially important to recheck each slot when adding or removing hardware. I usually remove all but 1 spot before hardware changes. This reduces opportunities for misconfiguration.
New core 22 units do out extra stress on th e CPU and that utilization seems normal for 4 cores with boost applied to some of them. Just a weird way that Windows reports.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 13:48:35 (permalink)
Which cpu can handle 6 graphic cards.
My motherboard supports Intel gen6 & gen7.
The highest I found is Intel Core i7-7700k, which also has 4 cores, but I have 5 graphic cards in total & my server starts to fail when I add Card nr 4.
Will this Intel I7-7700k solve my problem?
 
 
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 14:11:08 (permalink)
What motherboard is it? Could you possibly be hitting a PCIe Lane limitation?
 
I know crypto miners use special risers for motherboards that cut slots up into x1 lanes like this one
 
https://www.newegg.com/as...uct&quicklink=true
 
and some motherboards were made to split up the PCIe Lanes on each slot so you could use more video cards, like this one.
 
https://www.newegg.com/p/...D-0003-00024-_-Product
post edited by kram36 - 2020/09/19 14:23:57
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 15:18:06 (permalink)
With Windows, a LOT of the time, any time you add a video card, it changes the order of how the cards are detected by the OS so a card that was once assigned the O slot is suddenly in the 2 slot.

This means that Folding is expecting a specific card in that slot and not seeing it because the configuration is pointing to the old setup.

The best thing to do, esp in Windows, is ANY time you add a card, erase all the slots and begin the configuration from scratch.

Also, if you're folding with DIFFERING cards, you should look up this guide to ensure you have the correct info in each slot:  https://www.overclock.net/forum/366-folding-home-guides-tutorials/1490720-guide-configuring-client-v7-7-4-4-multiple-additional-gpus.html
 
They have changed the layout of their boards so the images were broken the last time I looked at it, but the text should give you enough information to collect the data points you need.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/19 17:34:21 (permalink)
You can't effectively fold on that motherboard. It only has 1 x16 slot and the rest are x1. That is a severe bottleneck for Folding@Home and it's no wonder you're getting high cou usage. That is a ton of cou work to transfer all that data over a fully saturated bus.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/20 05:32:59 (permalink)
I guess I missed to investigate that.
So this server can be an effective mining server, but not a folding server.
 
Which motherboard should I have purchased?, just curiosity.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/20 09:39:37 (permalink)
I'd look for a motherboard with 4 x16 slots that can do x8, x4, x4 from the CPU and x4 from the chipset. I think with your cards x4 is good enough although more experienced hands can comment Linux might help a little with overall ppd.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/20 14:00:40 (permalink)
Can Linux solve my problems, so I can use 6 or 8 graphic cards? or do I need a different motherboard as well?
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/20 18:03:29 (permalink)
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You can't effectively fold on that motherboard. It only has 1 x16 slot and the rest are x1. That is a severe bottleneck for Folding@Home and it's no wonder you're getting high cou usage. That is a ton of cou work to transfer all that data over a fully saturated bus.

What motherboard is he using? I missed that somehow.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/20 21:20:16 (permalink)
My motherboard (H110 pro btc+) supports Intel gen 6 & 7.
Slightly hidden in the first post. It's one if the bitcoin mining motherboards with 1 x16 slot and 12 x1 slots for extension cables. So I'm assuming it's a single x8 wired slot and the rest are x1 from CPU and chipset.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/21 06:52:32 (permalink)
Boards like that put you firmly in the HEDT type motherboards and likely mean you have to get an Intel Extreme CPU. Most the threadripper boards I have looked at are not any better for folding than most X570. I had debated going the HEDT route for my folding machine but ended up doing X570 with 3 x16 slots. will run at x8, x8, x4(chipset). All are PCIe 4.0 so that will be helpful for future proofing I hope. Decided to scale back a bit also. I don’t even have all the slots on my machine filled at this point so maybe I will build up to a bigger setup eventually.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/21 08:12:44 (permalink)
As everyone's saying, your motherboard's PCIe limitations are rearing their head. If you're adamant about having 3-4 cards in use on the same rig, you're going to need to upgrade to a board with 4 slots that will run concurrently (8/4/4/4): https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813130870
 



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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/21 10:20:41 (permalink)
Thank you all for great information.
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/09/23 17:34:17 (permalink)
You could snag up that x58 eVGA Classy 4x sli combo in the fs section. I still have one with 3 1060s on it and she rocks out. I did not read what cards you are running so that could be an issue but probably not. Load Mint or ubuntu and let it rip.
 
I have a mining board that I picked up cheap and tested those cards folding on it and it was horrendously poor. However on seti it was gr8. Other crunching projects may do well but I did not check. 
post edited by STR1D3R_2 - 2020/09/23 17:37:59


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/10/07 15:03:20 (permalink)
A PCIE 3.0 X1 slot is fast enough for a 1050 or 1060.
Yes, you'll see a PPD drop from an x4 to an x1 slot, but since these GPUs are relatively slow, the PPD drop is low.
A PCIE 2.0 x1 might not be fast enough.
 
The PCIE x16 slot may be ok with 1 or 2 GPUs attached on an x1 slot.
Once you surpass whatever your motherboard can supply, it'll steal 8 lanes from the first GPU. So you'll be running at x8 speed.
Which for PCIE 3.0 is still plenty, but for PCIE 2.0 is lacking on modern GPUs.
Modern meaning RTX 2000 series.

For best results on an X1 slot, you definitely will need Linux.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/10/21 14:32:17 (permalink)
Great information from all, but will a CPU upgrade help my folding system to work.
I have 3 x gtx 1050 ti & 3 x gtx 1050 graphic cards.
When mining, it works great, but when folding. only 3 can fold.
So if I upgrade my cpu I5 gen6 to I7 Gen7, will it support my other graphic cards or will it fail?
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/10/21 16:08:34 (permalink)
FAH-Hacker,
In general you need 1 real core per GPU in the case of Nvidia cards. So at least a 6 core cpu. I'd probably recommend an older ryzen processor.

The next step is to find a motherboard that can actually split x4 pcie lanes to each card. This can be tricky and its possible running 6 cards is problematic without significant investment. Splitting it up until 2 rigs might be easier. Linux does help with pcie lanes. So a given x16 caoable cpu can cover 4 cards if the motherboard can split it up to 4 ways. The motherboard might then use 4 chipset lanes to power a 5th. Outside of expensive HEDT or server motherboards it is hard to realistically fold on more than 4 cards in 1 pc.

I only have experience with up to 3 cards and I went with 2 cards per rig in the end. I simply dedicate the extra cores to Boinc WCG.


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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/10/22 01:55:56 (permalink)
For a 1050, you can use 1 core per 2 gpus, IF your cpu is 3Ghz or more. The 1050 load on a cpu is somewhere like a 1.5Ghz at full load.

I tried pcie x1 to 4x x1, and those units didn't work very well at all. I also bought a rather expensive x16 to 4x x4 m.2 slots, and also that didn't work with my motherboard.

Third, older intel motherboards limit the amount of Nvidia GPUs to 4 (if you're lucky). More modern 6th gen or up intel motherboards limit it to 3 GPUs, and my current 9th gen intel mother board limits it to 2 GPUs (if I add a third, even if I set the slots to x4+x4+x4, or x8+x4+x4 or x8+x8+x1, I just get a blank screen.
And I tried a lot of Intel motherboards.
Your best bet would be with AMD B500 series motherboards, simply because i haven't tried them yet.
Nvidia is discontinuing SLI support, and theres a chance in the near future, motherboards will only support no more than 1 dGPU.
Then again, the RTX 3090 is something you don't actually want to run too many of in a pc, as they draw almost 400Wof power.

Mining boards with multiple x1 slots usually are PCIE 2.0 speed. They're only fast enough for GT 1030 gpus, and come on motherboard supporting 2 cores, with 4 threads at best. (4c/8t cpus for them are expensive)
post edited by ProDigit - 2020/10/22 02:00:41
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Re: Almost identical graphic cards in a Folding Rig, but problems arises. 2020/10/28 07:33:17 (permalink)
I upgraded my I5 6400 to I7 7700k & now 6 gpu´s are folding. CPU upgrade solved my problem. Thanks again.
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