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Hello EVGA fam! The upgrade bug is nibbling at me. My current setup is an EVGA P55 FTW 200 and a 1st gen i7, O.C. to 4Ghz. This setup has been running well for 10+ years, but its getting a little long in the tooth. I'm currently debating between the X299 with an i9-10900X or the Z490 with an i9-10900K. I like that the X299 has 48 PCI lanes, but I'm not sure if that matters nowadays. I like to play different types of games, ex. racing, mmorpgs, fps. I dabble in Lightroom. And just general daily PC usage. As mentioned above, my CPU is O.C. to 4Ghz (from 2.8) and has been running that way for 10+ years. I spent 2 weeks tuning and refining the O.C. and had a blast doing it. I learned a lot and the EVGA community helped when I needed it. I'd like to know which of the 2 setups would be the most similar to my current setup in regards to being able to tweak and tune and get the most performance out of it. Yet, be reliable and up-gradable for the next 10 years. I know i'm probably leaving out some things, but I don't want to make this post to long. I will be happy to answer any questions. Thanks
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 17:49:52
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Neither, it's a bad time to go Intel for CPU. AMD Ryzen is beating the crap out of Intel at the moment.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 18:41:26
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I wouldn't personally go Intel right now, especially if wanting to last 10 years, heck they are still pci-e gen 3.0 May look at Threadripper 3960x if wanting to last 10 years.... The Ryzen 4000 series is about to release so it may be a good option also if wanting the best of the best.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 19:50:10
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Had a 3950 that did 16x4700 all core . I switched over to a I9 10900 it’s doing 5400 all core. Intel faster for gaming I found getting if I did programming I would have stayed with the 3950.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 19:53:37
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ppcli Had a 3950 that did 16x4700 all core . I switched over to a I9 10900 it’s doing 5400 all core. Intel faster for gaming I found getting if I did programming I would have stayed with the 3950.
While I would 100% agree with you he mentioned he wants the system to last for 10 years. Intel doesn't have much of an upgrade path. Intel is currently fastest at gaming but only for a couple more months and then it will be worse at everything.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 21:27:35
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I'd recommend an AMD system. Intel can't yet offer PCIe 4.0 which you may want for a GPU or M.2 SSD in the future. X299 is also really overpriced for what you're getting these days, an AMD 3900X on a good B550 board would go a long ways. Since you enjoy overclocking even a 3700X would go pretty far with an OC on it.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 21:43:50
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mirancer Yet, be reliable and up-gradable for the next 10 years.
Upgradeable for 10 years? Good luck with that with Intel! Intel likes to change the CPU socket every chance it gets. For the last couple of years, every Intel motherboard turns out to be a dead end. Unfortunately with AMD doing so well lately, it appears that AMD could head down the same path of finding reasons to invent new CPU sockets for profit reasons (disguised as some sort of technical requirement); so finding a motherboard which is upgreadable for 10 years may be impossible whether you choose AMD or Intel.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/11 22:12:35
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Moved to general hardware.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/12 05:39:15
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mirancer Hello EVGA fam! The upgrade bug is nibbling at me. My current setup is an EVGA P55 FTW 200 and a 1st gen i7, O.C. to 4Ghz. This setup has been running well for 10+ years, but its getting a little long in the tooth. I'm currently debating between the X299 with an i9-10900X or the Z490 with an i9-10900K. I like that the X299 has 48 PCI lanes, but I'm not sure if that matters nowadays. I like to play different types of games, ex. racing, mmorpgs, fps. I dabble in Lightroom. And just general daily PC usage. As mentioned above, my CPU is O.C. to 4Ghz (from 2.8) and has been running that way for 10+ years. I spent 2 weeks tuning and refining the O.C. and had a blast doing it. I learned a lot and the EVGA community helped when I needed it. I'd like to know which of the 2 setups would be the most similar to my current setup in regards to being able to tweak and tune and get the most performance out of it. Yet, be reliable and up-gradable for the next 10 years. I know i'm probably leaving out some things, but I don't want to make this post to long. I will be happy to answer any questions. Thanks
Between the two, I would go with the X299 system. You'll get way more PCIe lanes on the CPU plus Quad Channel Memory.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/12 14:23:07
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Right now the 10900K is the best gaming CPU but since the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are going to be announced soon I'd wait to see how those perform first before deciding. X299 is not a good platform to invest in right now, it is in this weird mediocre middle ground where it's not great for gaming (10900K) or for high core count workloads (Threadripper).
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/13 08:40:42
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Thank you everyone for your replies. The consensus is to not go Intel right now. Thank you xrayman for moving this to the appropriate location. Ty_ger07: what I meant by up-gradabilty is accessories like gpus, ssds, m.2, etc. I'm not a huge fan of AMD, the brands of motherboards and driver's. That might be due to my earlier experiences with AMD way back in the early 90's. I guess the 2 options are to wait and see what Intel does next or go down the AMD path. I would still like to hear others opinions though.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/13 11:43:50
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mirancer Thank you everyone for your replies. The consensus is to not go Intel right now. Thank you xrayman for moving this to the appropriate location. Ty_ger07: what I meant by up-gradabilty is accessories like gpus, ssds, m.2, etc. I'm not a huge fan of AMD, the brands of motherboards and driver's. That might be due to my earlier experiences with AMD way back in the early 90's. I guess the 2 options are to wait and see what Intel does next or go down the AMD path. I would still like to hear others opinions though.
Thanks
I'm in the same boat. Last builds were Intel X58, Z97 and X99. X99 is showing it's age. My issue is do I go Threadripper or regular Ryzen for the processor generation coming out in October. AMD drivers on the video card side were rage inducing for me, but don't believe there is much issue on the mobo side. Purely looking at i/o options AMD looks more appealing to me if I was going to buy before the end of the year. I do a lot of things that would greatly benefit from muti-threading. More cores the better. That might not be every else's target need though. Looking at PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVME speeds in RAID1 mode, speeds are approaching ram speed for reads if configured with something like an ASUS Hyper M.2 X16 card. Looking forward to a RTX3080 sitting in the machine.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/14 16:33:19
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Assuming you never upgrade anything over the next 10 years, a Threadripper would be a bad choice. It’s slower in gaming than both the Ryzen 3000 series and Intel Comet Lake. In 10 years time, Threadripper will still be slower in gaming than Ryzen 3000 and Comet Lake. Assuming you upgrade the GPU once 5 years from now, PCIE 3.0 will hold it back if this hypothetical future GPU is even compatible with 3.0. Z490 should get PCIE 4.0 support with the Q1 2021 processors, but those will be 4 years old by the time you swap the 3080 and they will still be expensive, as Intel CPUs annoyingly hold value. Best bet is to wait for Zen 3 and read the reviews.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/14 18:05:33
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Since I've build my current setup the only upgrades I've done are hard drives and gpu's. Gpu wise I've gone from a dual gtx260 to dual gtx560ti classified to a gtx1080ti. The games I play are not the newest triple A games. Mostly old mmorpgs games like eq1,2, lotro, and eso. Racing games like nfs 2 and forza. I upgrade accordingly. But like I said my current setup is getting along in it's year's and I'm starting to see some slow downs hear and there. I recall reading years ago in maximum pc mags that pci lanes was all the rage. Not sure if that still holds true. I like that the x299 has 48 lanes and lots of slots for memory. What I don't like about the z490 is that it only has 2 slots for memory and not as many pci lanes. Over clocking wise, I don't know what has the better potential. I'd rather stick with Intel. As it's a platform I'm familiar with and I just happen to like evga motherboards. I've worked with many other board manufacturers, building pcs for other people. So I'm not inexperienced with other brands. I do read the replies and what others opinions are. Thanks
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/15 09:04:15
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DEJ915 Right now the 10900K is the best gaming CPU but since the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are going to be announced soon I'd wait to see how those perform first before deciding. X299 is not a good platform to invest in right now, it is in this weird mediocre middle ground where it's not great for gaming (10900K) or for high core count workloads (Threadripper).
There's a lot of things going on right now that would give reason for someone to pause before making a purchase. The new RTX 3070/80/90 series nVidia cards have not been tested with the 10900K/KF CPU's. And as you mentioned, the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are about to be announced. Do we have any clue when the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs will be released?
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/15 09:15:59
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DEJ915 Right now the 10900K is the best gaming CPU but since the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are going to be announced soon I'd wait to see how those perform first before deciding. X299 is not a good platform to invest in right now, it is in this weird mediocre middle ground where it's not great for gaming (10900K) or for high core count workloads (Threadripper).
There's a lot of things going on right now that would give reason for someone to pause before making a purchase. The new RTX 3070/80/90 series nVidia cards have not been tested with the 10900K/KF CPU's. And as you mentioned, the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are about to be announced. Do we have any clue when the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs will be released?
They will be announced Oct 8. Chances are they will still be slower than Comet Lake for gaming, but it’s still worth it to wait and see.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/15 09:20:42
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Z490 will have PCI-E 4.0 support, just not on it's current generation of processors. This chipset will get 1 refresh and that refresh is expected to have PCI-E 4.0 around this time next year. At this point, i'd recommend the i9 10850K if it's just for gaming and I would recommend staying away from Gigabyte boards from my experience. Support is lacking and they don't provide live support last time I checked... If you consider X299 and you want a 10th generation processor, make sure to get one of the refreshed X299 variants that Gigabyte or MSI made to support the additional 4 PCI-E lanes... also it makes those processors a drop-in upgrade where you don't have to worry about the BIOS. If you are considering AMD, the choices on that side are actually not much better due to the upcoming release of their newest version of processor. Overall, you will get more for your money going with a X570 or B550 motherboard and a Ryzen 9 3900X. That chipset will be able to work with 1 refresh as well, except the refresh on AMD's side is expected to have DDR5 memory support, so I fully expect the memory to be a problem for those with X570 boards wanting to move over to the next generation and keep their DDR4 memory. Also, side note... if you do go with AMD and you happen to choose one of the XT variants, you will likely need a BIOS flash before those processors will work, so make sure to get a motherboard that allows a BIOS flash without a CPU.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/09/15 09:31:23
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DEJ915 Right now the 10900K is the best gaming CPU but since the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are going to be announced soon I'd wait to see how those perform first before deciding. X299 is not a good platform to invest in right now, it is in this weird mediocre middle ground where it's not great for gaming (10900K) or for high core count workloads (Threadripper).
There's a lot of things going on right now that would give reason for someone to pause before making a purchase. The new RTX 3070/80/90 series nVidia cards have not been tested with the 10900K/KF CPU's. And as you mentioned, the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs are about to be announced. Do we have any clue when the new AMD 4000 series Ryzen CPUs will be released?
They will be announced Oct 8. Chances are they will still be slower than Comet Lake for gaming, but it’s still worth it to wait and see.
Definitely agree with waiting to see how they turn out. It still amazes me that Intel isn't supporting PCIe 4.0 yet. Anyway, thanks for the info!
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 09:31:29
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ppcli Had a 3950 that did 16x4700 all core . I switched over to a I9 10900 it’s doing 5400 all core. Intel faster for gaming I found getting if I did programming I would have stayed with the 3950.
While I would 100% agree with you he mentioned he wants the system to last for 10 years. Intel doesn't have much of an upgrade path. Intel is currently fastest at gaming but only for a couple more months and then it will be worse at everything.
are you talking about the new AMD Zen 3 ryzen 5000 processors that come out next month? i am just about ready to start my new build, but the one thing i was thinking about waiting for was the new AMD cards, i was going to purchase I7 10700, do you think i should wait for the new ones, everything i am reading says it will be better then intel for gaming. November 5th is release dates but i am sure reviews will be done before that. i really only use my computer for gaming, very little work, but thats just emails and stuff like that
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 10:55:49
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ppcli Had a 3950 that did 16x4700 all core . I switched over to a I9 10900 it’s doing 5400 all core. Intel faster for gaming I found getting if I did programming I would have stayed with the 3950.
While I would 100% agree with you he mentioned he wants the system to last for 10 years. Intel doesn't have much of an upgrade path. Intel is currently fastest at gaming but only for a couple more months and then it will be worse at everything.
are you talking about the new AMD Zen 3 ryzen 5000 processors that come out next month? i am just about ready to start my new build, but the one thing i was thinking about waiting for was the new AMD cards, i was going to purchase I7 10700, do you think i should wait for the new ones, everything i am reading says it will be better then intel for gaming. November 5th is release dates but i am sure reviews will be done before that. i really only use my computer for gaming, very little work, but thats just emails and stuff like that
Def wait til Nov 8th and get a B550 board with a 5800X CPU.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 10:59:18
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RainStryke Z490 will have PCI-E 4.0 support, just not on it's current generation of processors. This chipset will get 1 refresh and that refresh is expected to have PCI-E 4.0 around this time next year.
I want to believe this so badly but Intel continues to change sockets faster than I can count. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a pinout change but don't officially change the chipset/socket like they did for the Z390 compared to the prior 2 gens so it's not backwards compatible. AMD stated this is the last gen of processors on the AM4 socket, going back to 2016 when it debuted. I hate buying into a dead socket but there's so much power to be had with a 5950X I don't think there'd be a need to upgrade for 4-5 years at minimum anyway.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 11:07:02
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I am not a fanboy of either side. I am a fan of "Fit the need with the best overall product". I had AMD when it was not the "Cool thing to do" and got a lot of heat for it on these very forums. My decision this time, to go Z490, had nothing to do with David vs. Goliath. And everything to do with EVGA. Having had many board manufacturers (Or re-labeled sellers) parts. I simply rather work with a company that supports the products they offer. Now I still buy ASUS for monitors (Because they are darn near bullet proof), but the chances of me going back for a GPU or a MOBO is really slim. Now, if EVGA changed their ways and brought back the AMD MOBO option. TOTALLY different story. I would have gone AMD. Pricing is just to awesome to ignore when service is equal. I am pretty darn happy with my decision as well. Been running full tilt for over four days now (GPU and CPU combined) and it purrrrrs like it should. Good luck with your decision!
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Re: X299 or Z490?
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ppcli Had a 3950 that did 16x4700 all core . I switched over to a I9 10900 it’s doing 5400 all core. Intel faster for gaming I found getting if I did programming I would have stayed with the 3950.
While I would 100% agree with you he mentioned he wants the system to last for 10 years. Intel doesn't have much of an upgrade path. Intel is currently fastest at gaming but only for a couple more months and then it will be worse at everything.
are you talking about the new AMD Zen 3 ryzen 5000 processors that come out next month? i am just about ready to start my new build, but the one thing i was thinking about waiting for was the new AMD cards, i was going to purchase I7 10700, do you think i should wait for the new ones, everything i am reading says it will be better then intel for gaming. November 5th is release dates but i am sure reviews will be done before that. i really only use my computer for gaming, very little work, but thats just emails and stuff like that
Def wait til Nov 8th and get a B550 board with a 5800X CPU.
why the B550 over the X570 and which board do you suggest. i was thinking either ASUS ROG STRIX B550-E or the ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR VIII Hero for the X570
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 13:15:31
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Unless you need an gen 4 chipset then B550.
B550 = Z490
Both support gen 4 but only on the CPU lanes and chipset is gen 3.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 13:31:57
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vegajf51 Unless you need an gen 4 chipset then B550.
B550 = Z490
Both support gen 4 but only on the CPU lanes and chipset is gen 3.
Yup. Unless you're going to utilize Gen4 M2 SSDs, B550 is right where you want to be.
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Re: X299 or Z490?
2020/10/09 13:45:42
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vegajf51 Unless you need an gen 4 chipset then B550.
B550 = Z490
Both support gen 4 but only on the CPU lanes and chipset is gen 3.
Yup. Unless you're going to utilize Gen4 M2 SSDs, B550 is right where you want to be.
Even then B550 can use a single gen 4 M.2 just not multiple like X570. B550 has 20 gen 4 lanes (4 m.2 and 16 for gpu)
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Re: X299 or Z490?
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I just ordered my 7 5800x CPU, which motherboard should i get?? i was thinking either ASRock B550 TAICHI or ASUS ROG Strix B550-E
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loudee16 I just ordered my 7 5800x CPU, which motherboard should i get?? i was thinking either ASRock B550 TAICHI or ASUS ROG Strix B550-E
I am not familiar with either but have used both brands. I tend to like ASUS bios better but both are fine really.
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