jrwininger
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I’m trying to decide between the 3090 FTW and XC3. Given that I plan to install a water block, would there really be any performance differences?
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 13:10:39
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jrwininger
I’m trying to decide between the 3090 FTW and XC3. Given that I plan to install a water block, would there really be any performance differences?
We don't know yet. We don't know what the differences are between the PCB. We don't know what availability for 3rd party waterblocks will be for any of these 2 SKUs.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 13:19:53
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jrwininger
I’m trying to decide between the 3090 FTW and XC3. Given that I plan to install a water block, would there really be any performance differences?
We don't know yet.
We don't know what the differences are between the PCB.
We don't know what availability for 3rd party waterblocks will be for any of these 2 SKUs.
I just watched the team EVGA video from yesterday and Jacob basically said that the XC3 cards are for the 3rd party water blocks.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 13:22:01
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Yeah that's the assumption.
I'll wait to see compatibility lists from EK/AquaComputer/AlphaCool/... before buying anything myself ;-)
Eventually we'll probably get blocks for the FTW, probably just not on release day.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 13:54:17
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Hi, I`m new here. It seems EK and Alphacool are producing Blocks for the Reference PCB, EK says Blocks for the FE are coming soon. If the XC3 is a Reference PCB, those Blocks should fit I think.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 13:57:49
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Mucho79
Hi, I`m new here. It seems EK and Alphacool are producing Blocks for the Reference PCB, EK says Blocks for the FE are coming soon. If the XC3 is a Reference PCB, those Blocks should fit I think.
There had been a comment from an EVGA employee somewhere saying that there is not real "reference" PCB this time around. Again, yes, we assume the EK block will fit the XC3. My point is don't buy it and then complain it doesn't work ;-) EK will release compatibility. Check that.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 14:08:53
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Mucho79
Hi, I`m new here. It seems EK and Alphacool are producing Blocks for the Reference PCB, EK says Blocks for the FE are coming soon. If the XC3 is a Reference PCB, those Blocks should fit I think.
There had been a comment from an EVGA employee somewhere saying that there is not real "reference" PCB this time around.
Again, yes, we assume the EK block will fit the XC3. My point is don't buy it and then complain it doesn't work ;-)
EK will release compatibility. Check that.
I hope they will tell us on the 14th when the NDA is over. No info, no buying.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 15:09:39
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I was honestly considering buying the 3090 founders addition since EK had stated that they will release a block for it. However, I’ve heard that past founders addition cards are a pain to disassemble. Plus I usually only buy from EVGA. Since both EVGA and EK usually release blocks for the FTW3, I’ll probably go with that card.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 15:18:45
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jrwininger
I was honestly considering buying the 3090 founders addition since EK had stated that they will release a block for it. However, I’ve heard that past founders addition cards are a pain to disassemble. Plus I usually only buy from EVGA. Since both EVGA and EK usually release blocks for the FTW3, I’ll probably go with that card.
I plan on either getting a FTW3 or XC3 from evga, I would prefer the XC3 as it will have a water block first from EKWB but I’ll settle for a ftw3 if needed and wait for hydro copper block or others
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 15:22:47
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jrwininger
I’m trying to decide between the 3090 FTW and XC3. Given that I plan to install a water block, would there really be any performance differences?
Historically with the FTW3 youre paying more for the iCX sensors (which the XC3 has) additional power phases (TU-102 VRM was overbuilt so this didn't really add any value, I'm using FTW3 bios on my XC2 without any issues), dual BIOS and a superior air cooler. FTW3 is also 3x8pin power, but it's been fairly well established that 2x8 pin power does not actually have a 375w limit (I've heard here and elsewhere people saying that they've run 550w over 2x8 pin without problem) You will be waiting a few months for a FTW3 block though, personal preference but I don't like the HydroCopper aesthetic design this time around, and if I purchased a FTW3 I would be waiting for some time for EKWB to produce a block for it, and that could be anywhere from 3-6 months from now. The XC3 will be compatible with EK's block immediately. The question is, is "reference" VRM similarly overbuilt with GA-102-300 this time around? I think the main appeal of FTW3 for most that buy it is the superior cooling and hence lower temps and higher clocks. The additional power phases didn't really add any value last time around, dual BIOS is nice in case you have a bad flash. The question is, do you want to wait 3-6 months for an aftermarket block to be made for it? I don't, I want something I can plumb in immediately.
post edited by vulcan1978 - 2020/09/05 15:24:55
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 15:33:48
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jrwininger
I’m trying to decide between the 3090 FTW and XC3. Given that I plan to install a water block, would there really be any performance differences?
Historically with the FTW3 youre paying more for the iCX sensors (which the XC3 has) additional power phases (TU-102 VRM was overbuilt so this didn't really add any value, I'm using FTW3 bios on my XC2 without any issues), dual BIOS and a superior air cooler. FTW3 is also 3x8pin power, but it's been fairly well established that 2x8 pin power does not actually have a 375w limit (I've heard here and elsewhere people saying that they've run 550w over 2x8 pin without problem)
You will be waiting a few months for a FTW3 block though, personal preference but I don't like the HydroCopper aesthetic design this time around, and if I purchased a FTW3 I would be waiting for some time for EKWB to produce a block for it, and that could be anywhere from 3-6 months from now.
The XC3 will be compatible with EK's block immediately. The question is, is "reference" VRM similarly overbuilt with GA-102-300 this time around?
I think the main appeal of FTW3 for most that buy it is the superior cooling and hence lower temps and higher clocks. The additional power phases didn't really add any value last time around, dual BIOS is nice in case you have a bad flash. The question is, do you want to wait 3-6 months for an aftermarket block to be made for it?
I don't, I want something I can plumb in immediately.
How confident are you that the recently announced EK blocks will fit the XC3? Also, is it wise to stay away from the founders edition if you plan to water cool?
post edited by jrwininger - 2020/09/05 15:37:41
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 15:42:34
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Does anyone have an idea, historically, how much length reduction you can expect by using a waterblock over the air cooler? 1/2 inch or less? I was hoping to get either a ftw3 or xc3.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 16:05:39
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Usually the water block is much less then the card length.. so alot less if not using the air cooler.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 16:23:13
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Usually the water block is much less then the card length.. so alot less if not using the air cooler.
This hasn't been my experience with reference 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti PCB (EKWB and Phanteks blocks respectively). Both blocks and backplate's were more or less the same length as the PCB. I think you may be referring to blocks that only cool the core.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 17:12:33
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Does anyone have an idea, historically, how much length reduction you can expect by using a waterblock over the air cooler? 1/2 inch or less? I was hoping to get either a ftw3 or xc3.
With the 3080 and 3090 reference or FE boards it should take off quite a bit as they're a lot shorter this year. As seen here:  
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 17:51:47
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With the 3080 and 3090 reference or FE boards it should take off quite a bit as they're a lot shorter this year. As seen here:
Awesome. Thanks for the resources. it looks like EK’s block is 230mm/9“ for reference boards. They don’t have a dimension listed for their backplate. This will most likely make the decision easier for me to go with the XC3 over the FTW3.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/05 19:27:32
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Here's some more news about the upcoming blocks for the RTX 3080/3090. I'm sure the FTW3 and Kingpins will have their own blocks for their customized PCBs.
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Re: 3090 FTW 3 vs xc3 (with EK block)
2020/09/06 06:45:19
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I'm also looking at doing custom cooling on a 3090, right now leaning towards a HC but waiting for details on release dates for the series before going with what's available in a reasonable time frame.
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