To run the 10900k at max speed , you need a chiller at the least.
I need 1.45V core at the least to run 5.6 and thats with chiller set down to 1C .
Have to do a couple of quick benches before I have to switch the chiller off because of condensation.

CPU is sweet
Without the chiller, waste of time doing these runs .

spit051261
CPU seems to go  OK.
 

What's the silicon prediction (SP) value of this chip?

spit051261
To run the 10900k at max speed , you need a chiller at the least.
I need 1.45V core at the least to run 5.6 and thats with chiller set down to 1C .
Have to do a couple of quick benches before I have to switch the chiller off because of condensation.

This begets the question of: What about insulation? There must be some simple techniques, such as those applied to anything from plumbing to automotive-style air conditioning systems, to make the 24/7 operation of a chiller, operating at temperatures below the ambient dew point temperature (and thus actively producing condensation), a feasible feat.
 
My first thoughts are simply to add some pretty thick (or just multiple layers!) insulation to your tubing/your loop's plumbing.
 
Beyond that, would it still be necessary to implement safeguards elsewhere? Where, exactly? The CPU socket, the area just around the socket/coldplate/waterblock? Or? Where else?
 
CPU Socket/Coldplate Area:
- Kneaded art eraser
- Oversized thermal pad between CPU & cold-plate to avoid condensation directly above the CPU-die, and redirect any such moisture to our 'bed' of kneaded eraser and shop towel... (?)
- Shop towels
- 'Shop vac' or similar suction [or reversed - the exhaust] head positioned and directed very near to the socket/plate/block head?
-- This could also be used as adjunct or better yet, in line with, a pretty hefty, heavy duty and designed to manage large areas dehumidifier
 
Other general ramblings
I have read about a bunch of techniques, from 'plasti-dipping' the motherboard (or using e.g. some type of nail polish that can form a dielectric barrier/seal to ultimately 'paint' over the PCB/PCB sensitive components), to using dielectric (non-electrically conductive) grease inside the actual CPU socket - yes, that means directly inside of the socket, between/on the pins and the bottom of the CPU: the pins still make contact with the pads on the bottom of the CPU; but it adds some added moisture barrier/safety from moisture. (Allegedly/apparently.)
 
Others will do what seems to now be colloquially known as a 'chill box'. This is an environmentally controlled box that your entire system will reside in. All of the environmental variables will be modulated per your needs so that environmental parameters associated with our largest risks are proactively monitored, managed, and kept as such that the internal temperature, humidity, potentially even pressure (in the most extreme case) match your desired fluid (or if your tubing/plumbing is already insulated well, then the cold plate's 'head temp') so you won't face the same risk of humidity/moisture under a chill-box scenario as you would if you were to, hypothetically speaking, just set the chiller to hold and maintain 0 degrees centigrade in ambient conditions like with the A/C on and set to 78(F) or so.
 
 
Hopefully others have some good ideas and can add to or demolish any non-sense I've reiterated from months of lurking in XOC subzero communities. FWIW, though, I don't think we really *need* even 0 deg. C. temps so much as perhaps locking the chiller/head temp to ambient or not so far below ambient to daily some really nice, otherwise unattainable overclocks... Revisit the video of Intel at Computex or wherever it was that, in '17/'18, they demoed the W-3175X (A 28C/56T CPU) on stage running an all-core 5.0GHz overclock with a single Hailea HC-500A chiller. Out of the box, a Hailea won't let you go near 0 degrees C. without hardware modding the unit, so, were they even using insulation - did they have to run it as low as it'd go? Then again, the workload they demonstrated - Cinebench, if I recall - is pretty bursty, so they'd only be in any sort of danger without insulation for a short period of time given the power of that CPU combined with its 6 channel DRAM controller :-)

j8t2b

spit051261
To run the 10900k at max speed , you need a chiller at the least.
I need 1.45V core at the least to run 5.6 and thats with chiller set down to 1C .
Have to do a couple of quick benches before I have to switch the chiller off because of condensation.

This begets the question of: What about insulation? There must be some simple techniques, such as those applied to anything from plumbing to automotive-style air conditioning systems, to make the 24/7 operation of a chiller, operating at temperatures below the ambient dew point temperature (and thus actively producing condensation), a feasible feat.
 
My first thoughts are simply to add some pretty thick (or just multiple layers!) insulation to your tubing/your loop's plumbing.
 
Beyond that, would it still be necessary to implement safeguards elsewhere? Where, exactly? The CPU socket, the area just around the socket/coldplate/waterblock? Or? Where else?
 
CPU Socket/Coldplate Area:
- Kneaded art eraser
- Oversized thermal pad between CPU & cold-plate to avoid condensation directly above the CPU-die, and redirect any such moisture to our 'bed' of kneaded eraser and shop towel... (?)
- Shop towels
- 'Shop vac' or similar suction [or reversed - the exhaust] head positioned and directed very near to the socket/plate/block head?
-- This could also be used as adjunct or better yet, in line with, a pretty hefty, heavy duty and designed to manage large areas dehumidifier
 
Other general ramblings
I have read about a bunch of techniques, from 'plasti-dipping' the motherboard (or using e.g. some type of nail polish that can form a dielectric barrier/seal to ultimately 'paint' over the PCB/PCB sensitive components), to using dielectric (non-electrically conductive) grease inside the actual CPU socket - yes, that means directly inside of the socket, between/on the pins and the bottom of the CPU: the pins still make contact with the pads on the bottom of the CPU; but it adds some added moisture barrier/safety from moisture. (Allegedly/apparently.)
 
Others will do what seems to now be colloquially known as a 'chill box'. This is an environmentally controlled box that your entire system will reside in. All of the environmental variables will be modulated per your needs so that environmental parameters associated with our largest risks are proactively monitored, managed, and kept as such that the internal temperature, humidity, potentially even pressure (in the most extreme case) match your desired fluid (or if your tubing/plumbing is already insulated well, then the cold plate's 'head temp') so you won't face the same risk of humidity/moisture under a chill-box scenario as you would if you were to, hypothetically speaking, just set the chiller to hold and maintain 0 degrees centigrade in ambient conditions like with the A/C on and set to 78(F) or so.
 
 
Hopefully others have some good ideas and can add to or demolish any non-sense I've reiterated from months of lurking in XOC subzero communities. FWIW, though, I don't think we really *need* even 0 deg. C. temps so much as perhaps locking the chiller/head temp to ambient or not so far below ambient to daily some really nice, otherwise unattainable overclocks... Revisit the video of Intel at Computex or wherever it was that, in '17/'18, they demoed the W-3175X (A 28C/56T CPU) on stage running an all-core 5.0GHz overclock with a single Hailea HC-500A chiller. Out of the box, a Hailea won't let you go near 0 degrees C. without hardware modding the unit, so, were they even using insulation - did they have to run it as low as it'd go? Then again, the workload they demonstrated - Cinebench, if I recall - is pretty bursty, so they'd only be in any sort of danger without insulation for a short period of time given the power of that CPU combined with its 6 channel DRAM controller :-)

That's a nice post .

spit051261
3123 - spit051261 - Intel 10900k - 5700 @ 1.6v - Apex XII Z490 - G-Skill 4000 CL15-16-16-36-2T then 4700 CL14-14-14-28-1T @ 1.95v - chiller and direct die cooling
IMC is very good on this CPU.
As I said earlier though , without a chiller, you are not going to get the full benefit of this CPU.
 

Very good spit, well done !!!

 
3156
 

Hmmm......I'll bet this would respond very well under phase change cooling.

spit051261
Im going to try ln2
The coldest I can get it with chiller is - 5 liquid temp

If I can find an i9-10900K, I should be able to get sub-zero temps with my phase change setup without worrying about chiller condensation or having to use frequent LN2 "fill-ups" while gaming/overclocking. 
 
 

Frosty..

spit051261
The best place I have found is UK Overclockers
I've bought 4 from them without any problems .

They want around $800 for the box processor and $700 for a tray processor without shipping. I can get a box processor in the U.S. on Ebay for $700, although if I can catch one during a restock they go for around $550.

Zeddivile
@hallowen
 
Ill trade you a 10900k for that phase changer. Or just buy it from you

Thanks for the offer man, My Phase Change and I still have work to do.

Whats happening over in the states regarding this chip , availability and price ?
I thought most of you would have jumped on the 10th gen .
A bit disappointed not more of you are using it by now .
Paired with an Apex , killer .
Its an excellent platform .

The cost of that CPU is more than I want to spend, tho it looks nice (note: I was seeing over 800 bucks and I'm not sure what MSRP is on them)
 

spit051261
Just flew home from work and this was waiting for me .
Can't remember ordering the aio but the boards and extra chip will come in handy for something.
Hopefully its higher SP than the other 2.

I assume you could now build two more APEX XII OC rigs or possibly another gaming rig using the new AIO.