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2020/05/13 07:21:49 (permalink)
I will have 2 1080 Ti's going offline and that has me thinking about putting a third box online.  What would be a basic mobo, cpu and RAM suggestions for such a box.  Have a case and power supply.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 07:30:46 (permalink)
     
    I pick a MB by the Spacing of the designated PCIe slots for 2 or more GPU .... they need room to breath
     
    Z97 or better will Fold just fine - PCIe 3.0 & support in 16x for 2 GPU on some MB --> 8x PCie 3.0 is fine for both cards
     
    i3 or i5 CPU if your Not using it for Folding
     
    8 GB RAM works good enough
     
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 07:35:42 (permalink)
    Would this CPU be good enough?  
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 07:51:49 (permalink)
    more than enough power ...
     
    check your PCIe lanes  Intel® Corei5-8400 Processor
     
    2 @ 8x

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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 07:59:15 (permalink)
    Heck even my old X58 with PCIe 2.0 worked with 10 series cards ...
     
    Not sure how much it held back the PPD .. I've not used for Folding for over 16 month

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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 08:00:20 (permalink)
    Well unless I go Threadripper or X299 mobo I am stuck with only 16 lanes right?


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 08:04:28 (permalink)
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    Well unless I go Threadripper or X299 mobo I am stuck with only 16 lanes right?


     
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 08:17:11 (permalink)
    You all better just pray I don't win the lottery.  DGX-3 would be in order then.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/13 08:57:51 (permalink)
    I'd grab a cheap AMD Ryzen 3300 and a cheap motherboard and go to town.  For 2 cards you only need a decent CPU and x8 slots.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/14 15:14:14 (permalink)
    I would highly recommend you to go with a Ryzen 3 3000 series CPU!
    For folding, you'll probably be ok with a quad core.
    But it's really PCIE 4.0 you will want!
    Those Ryzens run very efficient.
    Motherboards from Asrock run great. It might run on 450 motherboards, but preferably use 550 or 570 (or 590) motherboards, as they natively support the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs (you don't need to buy a low end CPU just to do a bios update).
    RAM prices are going up (due to COVID), but you should still be able to find some popular DDR4 3600 modules for $75 (for a 2x8GB set).
    3600Mhz is a no-brainer,  as they cost nearly the same as 3200Mhz memory.
    For Intel, memory speed doesn't matter much, 
    But for AMD, memory speed is tied to it's 'infinity fabric', meaning the ring bus that connects all the CPU cores together.
    Faster RAM means a faster infinity fabric, which means higher performance, even if the CPU frequency is fixed.
     
    I've had some issues with Asus TUF motherboards, so I won't recommend them.

    PCIE lanes is a lottery.
    As long as you disable most of the unused stuff (SATA/Thunderbolt/other ports), you could potentially run PCIE x8/x8/x4 on some boards.
    This as some boards 'borrow' an extra 4 PCIE lanes from unused ports (like USB, Wifi, m.2 slots, and other...).
    The F doesn't have a built in GPU, perhaps they borrow the extra 4 lanes from there. I don't know.
    But every CPU has at least 24 PCIE lanes (perhaps more), with 4 addressing the IGP (which is non-existent on core i processors marked with an 'F' behind them), and another 4 addressing North/South bridge, USB hub, LAN, m.2, PCIe x1 slots, and Wifi, ... Only 4 of them you can 'borrow' occasionally. The other 4 are fixed (can't steal them).
    Resulting in 20 available PCIE lanes. Not all motherboards can successfully take them; which is why this is a 'lottery' of kinds.

    But if you want more of a guarantee, MSI's MPG series for Intel's 8th/9th gen CPUs can run an x8/x8/x4 configuration (worked with my i5 9400F and Core i3 9100F).
    If you run Linux, this will be sufficient for 2x next gen (future) GPUs from AMD or Intel, and 1 RTX 2000 series GPU of 2080 or less.
    But even if your board only accepts x8/x4/x1 solution, if the board and CPU support PCIE 4.0, an x1 slot might work for an RTX 2070 equivalent or less in Linux. 
    Or, if you're planning to invest in GPUs in the near future, get a quadcore with SMT, or 6C/12T 3000 series CPU, with a board with lots of PCIE 4.0 x1 slots.
    Right now, the only GPU running 4.0 is AMD's 5700XT; which isn't that efficient, but should fold well from a PCIE 4.0 x1 slot.
     
    Like always, PCIE 4.0 is backwards compatible with 3.0.

    However, by the end of the year, AMD (as well as Nvidia), will come out with 5000 core GPUs.
    Things might get very interesting!
    Though those GPUs probably will need PCIE 4.0 x4 (or PCIE 3.0 x8) minimum.
    You probably also don't want to run too many of these on one PSU (300watt/GPU; possibly for Nvidia the mid range GPUs will still see a ~200W TDP, but the high end would see 290-300W stock).
     
    In a few days AMD and Nvidia are supposed to reveal their new line of GPUs. Starting with the Mid-range 3000 series GPUs (2070 S / 2080 S equivalents). 
    By beginning next year we're expecting a base model from both AMD and Nvidia, that will be the equivalent of a 2060 Super, but at reduced power output.
    AMD might still be a generation behind on power efficiency; meaning their new GPUs probably will equal current RTX 2000 series GPUs in terms of efficiency, but will outperform them.
    Performance wise, the new Nvidia GPUs are expected to follow:
    3060 = ~2070 Super,
    3070 = ~2080 Super,
    3080 = ~2080 Ti, and
    3080 Ti > RTX Titan (by a ~20% margin).
    AMD's equivalent will be similar in performance.
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/16 00:35:21 (permalink)
    Ok,it appears (from some articles online) that at this time, most motherboards only offer pcie 4.0 in one pcie x16 slot.
    I would have expected as much.
    I read an article about a new b550 motherboard, that allows for 2 pcie 4.0 x16 slots, and now a latest that allows up to 3x m.2 slots at pcie 4.0 (x4) speeds.
    No info on x1 slots.
    It's still a bit of a grey area.
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/16 01:13:20 (permalink)
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    Well unless I go Threadripper or X299 mobo I am stuck with only 16 lanes right?


     
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    Now you know why I'm mostly using X99 & i7- 5930K  --> PCIe lanes & reasonable used prices




    Hmmm, an X99 MB,CPU,RAM deal here if interested. He is a solid forum member. https://forums.evga.com/FS-i75820K-MSI-X99S-SLI-Plus-Kingston-HyperX-32GB-RAM-Tons-of-watercooling-parts-m3017585.aspx
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/16 13:38:24 (permalink)
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    Well unless I go Threadripper or X299 mobo I am stuck with only 16 lanes right?


     
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    Now you know why I'm mostly using X99 & i7- 5930K  --> PCIe lanes & reasonable used prices




    Hmmm, an X99 MB,CPU,RAM deal here if interested. He is a solid forum member. https://forums.evga.com/FS-i75820K-MSI-X99S-SLI-Plus-Kingston-HyperX-32GB-RAM-Tons-of-watercooling-parts-m3017585.aspx




    Intel Core i7-5820K
     
    Has only [28] PCIe lanes - read the MB manual carefully - see if that would impact your plans, based on all the hardware your going to install & which PCIe slots are actually available
     

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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/16 16:59:51 (permalink)
    3 x99's w/40 lane cpu's and an x58 4x sli classy here. Older , cheaper hardware rocks right along for folding. My newest rigs are not as point productive and are used for other things now. 


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/16 18:36:03 (permalink)
    How about a x79 Asus WS board with a Xeon 1650 unlocked six core 12 thread. Low hours?
    It has 40lanes

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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/17 09:03:20 (permalink)
    Since you only need 8 lanes on Windows (4 on Linux) for the most demanding GPUs, which run at 200-300W, 20 PCIE lanes (what I'm getting from my 9th gen I5 9400F with MSI MPG), allows you to run at ~750-1000W.
    With newer GPUs this could become 1200W.

    If you want an all in one system, where you can run 4 to 5 GPUs at x8 speeds, a Xeon or lower end Threadripper is probably your best bet.
    I would go for older Threadrippers that have lower core count, but higher cpu frequency.
    It could allow you (in theory) to run 4x 2080Ti (800-1200W) + 200W for the rest of the system = 1000-1400W at the wall;
    with the possibility of expansion. Some of these boards can run 6 to 8 GPUs, topping out most breakers at 1600W.
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/17 10:37:46 (permalink)
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    How about a x79 Asus WS board with a Xeon 1650 unlocked six core 12 thread. Low hours?
    It has 40lanes



    That's probably the best option. Setup Linux on a 128GB SSD & call it a day.



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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/18 10:39:14 (permalink)
    Well my 2060 I just got blew up.  So I have decided to wait it out and save the money for a new system and put it into a 3080TI.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/18 11:58:48 (permalink)
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    Well my 2060 I just got blew up.  So I have decided to wait it out and save the money for a new system and put it into a 3080TI.




    Blew up?
     
    What happened?
     


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/18 13:22:49 (permalink)
    Flashing Boxes on screen.  So time for repair.  It did not last very long.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/18 18:03:47 (permalink)
    RMA that sucker! That was fast....sorry to hear that happened. 
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/19 06:36:28 (permalink)
    Another one on the way.  And now having to RMA my 2080TI FTW3 Ultra.  Middle fan dying, only way to keep it going good is to set all 3 fans on 100%.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/19 08:58:03 (permalink)
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    Another one on the way.  And now having to RMA my 2080TI FTW3 Ultra.  Middle fan dying, only way to keep it going good is to set all 3 fans on 100%.




     
    Will the one fan @ 100% work ?
     
    If not ... could be the fan controller on the PCB is not doing so well
     
    If you Really like the GPU you have ...... do a cross shipment, & swap the cooler assembly

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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/19 09:33:45 (permalink)
    Its the bearings going out.  Card is so so.  Never OC well at all.  Memory has always ran in 80+C on it.  So we will see other card already coming.


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/20 12:19:57 (permalink)
    not sure if your still looking for suggestions, but I currently use two old servers (well they are "older" and retired) but I picked both up for about $200 and it was just set up OS and install folding at home and all is happy, currently they are just CPU only folding but 12 cores per box (dual 6 cores) but so far seem to be handling the work just fine, only down side is they do not have a PCIe 16X riser card, it is a 8x, but meh?


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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/26 10:17:16 (permalink)
    You could always buy an 80mm case fan and zip-tie it on there.
    Or buy replacement fans online. They're not as good as the stockers, but better than nothing.
     
     
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    Re: Thinking about put 3rd Folding Computer online, need recommendations 2020/05/27 13:18:13 (permalink)
    Why not wait for Fall & see if 7um &/or PCIe4 would be a prudent direction to go?
    Especially right now, everything seems to be in short or zero supply.
    I'm waiting to see what B550 will offer... like lower base moboard power levels.
    Me, I was shocked to see the hi temps on my Ryzen 5 which I'd been ignoring as I put a good cooler on it.
    Me, I'm working on emulating the low power levels in my Q87 mobos (~56watts) with newer gear & pcie4.
    I've been working from ProDigit's architecture guidelines & power-capping.
    I'm looking at the Fall gear as I feel the broad availability of PCIe4 & 5/7um gear will alter the landscape.
    I'm down to  ~4.2M estPPD (small by EVGA gang scale) & using a power meter to cut temps for the summer months. 
    Very pleased to see someone at your level seeking other viewpoints & strategies. 
    Your Spring$ will look much bigger in the Fall$$.
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