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Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards?

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2020/01/02 02:20:59 (permalink)
As the title says, what is the reason or their line of thinking?

At this point I am almost convinced they are being paid out by Intel or Nvidia though "rebates" for not producing any AMD boards. I know EVGA used to make AMD boards back in the Phenom AM2/AM2+ days, but it just seems like a really big missed opportunity to refuse to make boards for both of those excellent platforms.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 02:59:49 (permalink)
    EVGA is a steadfast Intel partner at this time. I don't see any changes to this decision anytime soon. EVGA like any other company looks at the market closely. In my opinion AMD doesn't have enough marketshare to sway EVGA's commitment. 
     
    If EVGA ever did make any AMD motherboards I would probably purchase one. 

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 06:13:47 (permalink)
    In short, contractual agreements with their current partners and no one is willing to push the envelope. They are literally going to weather the storm for the next 2 years until Intel is relevant again.

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 06:24:27 (permalink)

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 06:33:10 (permalink)
    EVGA will start making AMD boards when people stop asking them to make AMD boards... so never.
    That's my guess anyway.
     
    Then again the only constant is change, so maybe one day.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 06:54:06 (permalink)
    Probably EVGA is expecting that by the time they designed, specced out , parts sourced & had an AMD board manufactured to what EVGA would want - Intel would be back competitively in that time frame...

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 07:02:23 (permalink)
    I doubt they sell many motherboards period.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 07:28:06 (permalink)
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    As the title says, what is the reason or their line of thinking?

    At this point I am almost convinced they are being paid out by Intel or Nvidia though "rebates" for not producing any AMD boards. I know EVGA used to make AMD boards back in the Phenom AM2/AM2+ days, but it just seems like a really big missed opportunity to refuse to make boards for both of those excellent platforms.





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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 07:56:37 (permalink)
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    As the title says, what is the reason or their line of thinking?

    At this point I am almost convinced they are being paid out by Intel or Nvidia.

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 08:38:08 (permalink)
    I'm convinced it has to do with contractual agreements and just who does the current mobo designs. The current designers are very Intel-centric IMHO. We might get a public answer on this, but there is probably a private business answer that can't be said due to mutual NDA. Sure, we'd like to know why, but we'll probably never know.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 08:58:25 (permalink)
    Amongst a number of other reasons I would imagine that lack of demand is probably one of the major reasons.... Intel still has a massive hold on the CPU industry as a whole (Consumer, Small Business, Enterprise, etc) and in reality AMD still just has a very small portion of that market. When you think about EVGA's motherboards really only appeal to a small subset of Intel users. If they were to start producing the same kind of motherboards for AMD it would be an even smaller subset of users, which means that demand would just be too small for them to really be able to make any kind of money.    

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 09:10:12 (permalink)
    Why does it matter --> Why EVGA refuses to make AMD based MB ?
     
    1) Currently they are not offering any AMD based MB
     
    2) EVGA does not announce product before Official Release ...... (we would not know till you did)

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 09:33:52 (permalink)
    I posted an article today stating that AMD may have captured 40 percent of the market for CPUs. That number would have to be much higher (in my personal opinion) and stay high before EVGA would even consider such an option. This year Intel should get their 10nm game together for desktop CPUs. AMD of course will have Zen 3 at the improved 7nm+ die. Rumor has it that AMD might announce Zen 3 architecture at CES 2020 since they have a keynote address. Then again AMD might talk about GPU architecture, or maybe both. We'll know in a few days.

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 09:51:07 (permalink)
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    I posted an article today stating that AMD may have captured 40 percent of the market for CPUs. That number would have to be much higher (in my personal opinion) and stay high before EVGA would even consider such an option. This year Intel should get their 10nm game together for desktop CPUs. AMD of course will have Zen 3 at the improved 7nm+ die. Rumor has it that AMD might announce Zen 3 architecture at CES 2020 since they have a keynote address. Then again AMD might talk about GPU architecture, or maybe both. We'll know in a few days.




    Source link? Most of those stats floating around out there are not an accurate representation of the overall market share. I am assuming you are referring to this, https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-now-has-40-of-processor-market-share-for-the-first-time-in-14-years, the problem is this only represents PCs that have PassMark installed on them and have reporting enabled. AMDs market share as a whole across consumer, small business, and enterprise is a fraction of what Intel's is. Think about it, how many enterprises are throwing out possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Intel products just because of AMD's new products, zero?   

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 11:36:44 (permalink)
    EVGA is one of the smallest motherboard mfg. It's not easy to compete against ASUS, ASRock, GIGABYTE and MSi in every market. 
     
     


     
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 16:23:35 (permalink)
     
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    AMDs market share as a whole across consumer, small business, and enterprise is a fraction of what Intel's is. Think about it, how many enterprises are throwing out possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Intel products just because of AMD's new products, zero?   





    Do the latter of those really influence EVGAs decision? I mean how many enterprises do you see running EVGA boards. How many of the companies (HP, Dell, Lenovo) supplying those businesses and enterprises run evga boards in their products. 
     
    EVGA primarily goes where the consumer does. If the consumer is purchasing much more AMD, its time to start considering it. 
     
    Though I doubt they will. Evga tends to be behind the curve on getting boards released compared to other companies. I hazard they are short staffed and unable to consider taking on another project even if they really wanted to so they stick to their bread and butter and hope its enough to keep them going. 
     
    If the amd/intel relationship keeps up the way it is currently for another 2-3 years, I have a feeling EVGA will be feeling the hurt and offering if nothing else a base level amd board again.

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 17:05:42 (permalink)
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    AMDs market share as a whole across consumer, small business, and enterprise is a fraction of what Intel's is. Think about it, how many enterprises are throwing out possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Intel products just because of AMD's new products, zero?   





    Do the latter of those really influence EVGAs decision? I mean how many enterprises do you see running EVGA boards. How many of the companies (HP, Dell, Lenovo) supplying those businesses and enterprises run evga boards in their products. 
     
    EVGA primarily goes where the consumer does. If the consumer is purchasing much more AMD, its time to start considering it. 
     
    Though I doubt they will. Evga tends to be behind the curve on getting boards released compared to other companies. I hazard they are short staffed and unable to consider taking on another project even if they really wanted to so they stick to their bread and butter and hope its enough to keep them going. 
     
    If the amd/intel relationship keeps up the way it is currently for another 2-3 years, I have a feeling EVGA will be feeling the hurt and offering if nothing else a base level amd board again.




    I am just pointing out that the validity of that article and many others like it should be questioned... Who knows maybe EVGA will make AMD boards maybe they want, at the end of the day regardless they cant just snap there fingers and magically have an AMD board appear. Also worth keeping in mind that EVGA motherboards mainly appeal to overclockers something that AMD CPU's currently cant do very well, I really dont think there is market for EVGA to make AMD motherboards. 

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 19:47:13 (permalink)
    I understand EVGA as a board manufacturer is much smaller than ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, and a few others, but even just 1 TR40X board would have made sense, even skipping X570 just for 1 TR40X board SHOULD be feasible for them if they can spend the time to make a Socket LGA3647 board for the W-3175X.

    As for people saying "Intel will be relevant again by the time EVGA would be ready to ship the new boards out", Intel is still relevant, AMD is just WAY more relevant than they were, you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. I still maintain the stance that EVGA is having a missed opportunity for not developing at least a single TR40X board, and people would certainly be interested in that product, especially with the 64 Core / 128 Thread 3990WX coming very soon.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 21:11:31 (permalink)
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    I understand EVGA as a board manufacturer is much smaller than ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, and a few others, but even just 1 TR40X board would have made sense, even skipping X570 just for 1 TR40X board SHOULD be feasible for them if they can spend the time to make a Socket LGA3647 board for the W-3175X.

    As for people saying "Intel will be relevant again by the time EVGA would be ready to ship the new boards out", Intel is still relevant, AMD is just WAY more relevant than they were, you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. I still maintain the stance that EVGA is having a missed opportunity for not developing at least a single TR40X board, and people would certainly be interested in that product, especially with the 64 Core / 128 Thread 3990WX coming very soon.


     
    EVGA would want to make a profit. It wouldn't be that easy for a small motherboard mfg to enter AMD motherboard market. It would make more sense for evga to make a new Intel motherboard, with more features, over spending all that money to design one AMD motherboard.
     
     


     
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 21:31:35 (permalink)
    If I remember right, when EVGA made the AMD boards, they had Nvidia chip-set. Maybe that is why they did it years ago.
    Maybe AMD will use Nvidia chip-sets again, though I doubt it.

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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 22:22:50 (permalink)
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    If I remember right, when EVGA made the AMD boards, they had Nvidia chip-set. Maybe that is why they did it years ago.
    Maybe AMD will use Nvidia chip-sets again, though I doubt it.


    Currently AMD makes their own chipset, another possible issue is X570 and TRX40 are PCI-E gen 4 boards which would add to the design cost as all current EVGA boards are still gen 3. Like kevinc313 said I doubt they sell that many boards period right now. 
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/02 23:36:49 (permalink)
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/03 00:49:56 (permalink)
    EVGA back in the day was INTEL.  
    and will stay intel partners.
    If EVGA went to making AMD boards and video cards, Intel would drop them in a heart beat.
    Evga was and still is know for being a INTEL only motherboard maker .. 
     
    so to leave that group wouldn`t be good for them, sure they would break in to the main stream market per-say with making AMD stuff.  But they would loser there Rep as a Intel only company.. and right now , im pretty sure they wouldnt want to lose the main company, when something new intel brings out before it is ever put to the world market ..   with being amd and intel, they would be standing in line waiting for the product to test and then bring to market like the other guys, with being only a Intel partner they get it before the other guys do, giving them a EDGE on the other guys ..  
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/03 12:54:04 (permalink)
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    If I remember right, when EVGA made the AMD boards, they had Nvidia chip-set. Maybe that is why they did it years ago.
    Maybe AMD will use Nvidia chip-sets again, though I doubt it.



     
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    There once was a time in a land long ago where teams Green and Red played nicely together    Nvidia cards worked in AMD boards and AMD cards worked in "Nvidia" based boards. Then a great upheaval came across the landscape when Intel got mad at Nvidia , lawsuits were filed and we know how that goes  So each team was banished to opposite sides of the playground and in the end we were left with motherboards , video cards, chipsets and drivers that no longer wanted to play nice with each other   It's been that way since around 2009ish.  As far as I remember the 790i was the last of the Nvidia motherboards everything has been Intel based since around that time.
     
    Someone please correct me if I am wrong  
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/03 14:11:02 (permalink)
    The day penguins are ice skating in hell is when EVGA makes AMD boards.
     
    Its fine plenty of good motherboard makers for AM4, its all good!


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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/03 15:57:31 (permalink)
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    If I remember right, when EVGA made the AMD boards, they had Nvidia chip-set. Maybe that is why they did it years ago.
    Maybe AMD will use Nvidia chip-sets again, though I doubt it.



     
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    There once was a time in a land long ago where teams Green and Red played nicely together    Nvidia cards worked in AMD boards and AMD cards worked in "Nvidia" based boards. Then a great upheaval came across the landscape when Intel got mad at Nvidia , lawsuits were filed and we know how that goes  So each team was banished to opposite sides of the playground and in the end we were left with motherboards , video cards, chipsets and drivers that no longer wanted to play nice with each other   It's been that way since around 2009ish.  As far as I remember the 790i was the last of the Nvidia motherboards everything has been Intel based since around that time.
     
    Someone please correct me if I am wrong  

    You are right it was a mess yet people are still defending and buying the products of the company that started it. Talk about hypocrisy at its finest.🙄🤦
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/05 11:08:22 (permalink)
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    The day penguins are ice skating in hell is when EVGA makes AMD boards.

    Only problem with that premise is, penguins ice skating in hell is probably a goal for many in 2020. Entropy is strong within society right now.
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    Re: Anyone actaully know why EVGA refuses to make X570 or TR40X boards? 2020/01/05 16:17:40 (permalink)
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    EVGA back in the day was INTEL.  
    and will stay intel partners.
    If EVGA went to making AMD boards and video cards, Intel would drop them in a heart beat.
    Evga was and still is know for being a INTEL only motherboard maker .. 
     
    so to leave that group wouldn`t be good for them, sure they would break in to the main stream market per-say with making AMD stuff.  But they would loser there Rep as a Intel only company.. and right now , im pretty sure they wouldnt want to lose the main company, when something new intel brings out before it is ever put to the world market ..   with being amd and intel, they would be standing in line waiting for the product to test and then bring to market like the other guys, with being only a Intel partner they get it before the other guys do, giving them a EDGE on the other guys ..  
    Just like with Sapphire company, AMD is there only company they have, why because sapphire and AMD have a brand thing happening.  Sapphire gets AMD chip sets for there video cards before anyone else, gets AMD GPU chips.


    Other board makers (ASUS) build both. Not aware of any preferential treatment, from Intel to EVGA, that is not enjoyed by ASUS.

    I used to mine. Now I compute.
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