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2019/12/08 16:37:35 (permalink)
This isn't a favorite  CPU among the community, but its 6 core 12 thread and with this board,
seems decent enough for what im doing, and that's gaming.  
 
I do have this chip running at 4800mhz, and with a Corsair 150i AIO, and 32 
gigs or ram at 3200 from Corsair. 
 
I run the mesh at 32 , and have the core at 2.75vcore.  Temps are very good actually at 37c idle 65c in gaming and 75c in 
cinabench. Question here is: Can I do better with this CPU? will pushing 2 of the cores to 5ghz be worth it? and will it give 
me dimishing returns?  Steve at Hardware Unboxes says these Skylake X chips don't scale well at 4500MHZ though.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/08 19:37:08 (permalink)
    Adding another 200Mhz to the CPU won't do anything really noticeable for performance in games. Your CPU is still fine for gaming. What video card are you using? Upgrading your video card will net you the biggest performance gains for gaming obviously. 

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/08 20:04:57 (permalink)
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    This isn't a favorite  CPU among the community, but its 6 core 12 thread and with this board,
    seems decent enough for what im doing, and that's gaming.  
     
    I do have this chip running at 4800mhz, and with a Corsair 150i AIO, and 32 
    gigs or ram at 3200 from Corsair. 
     
    I run the mesh at 32 , and have the core at 2.75vcore.  Temps are very good actually at 37c idle 65c in gaming and 75c in 
    cinabench. Question here is: Can I do better with this CPU? will pushing 2 of the cores to 5ghz be worth it? and will it give 
    me dimishing returns?  Steve at Hardware Unboxes says these Skylake X chips don't scale well at 4500MHZ though.




    Skylake X, similar to Ryzen suffers a bit in gaming due to memory latency. Overclocking the mesh really helps it gaming. So for the most part I think you are getting close to most out of the CPU.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/09 06:43:29 (permalink)
    I am using the EVGA RTX 2070 SUper FTW3, and for the post above. I am using a mesh of 32. and xmp for vengeance 
    pro 3200. Even though 4800 to 5ghz will bring very little in gaming, what about upping mesh more? or ram speed to 3600,
    or lowering timings? anyth8ing else I can squeeze from this thing? got 970 pro Samsung nvme, dark 299  RM1000 and that 
    ftw3 super. Is thing tapped out now?
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/09 07:09:13 (permalink)
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    I am using the EVGA RTX 2070 SUper FTW3, and for the post above. I am using a mesh of 32. and xmp for vengeance 
    pro 3200. Even though 4800 to 5ghz will bring very little in gaming, what about upping mesh more? or ram speed to 3600,
    or lowering timings? anyth8ing else I can squeeze from this thing? got 970 pro Samsung nvme, dark 299  RM1000 and that 
    ftw3 super. Is thing tapped out now?




    Maybe
     
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/09 09:18:55 (permalink)
    Its the LG32850G at 1440P, the one with RGB ring on back and Gsync.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/10 07:17:05 (permalink)
    Your efforts would be better spent on tweaking the graphics card. Your temps could be better if you delided the processor... It might make it so you can get an extra 100-200MHz, but overall it would reduce your CPU temps by 10-15C. If everything is working fine at 4.8GHz, I wouldn't change a thing.

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/10 08:26:47 (permalink)
    For me - all core all time overclock is old and dirty way of doing things - You don't need 99% time that and this makes your PC takes enormous amounts of power when idle and even worse - under load.
    Please take a look at TurboBoost settings topic in this x299 forum. You can get much more dynamic results!
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/10 15:27:47 (permalink)
    What be a good setup for that? I seen foks do a dynamic setup with good ocing, but still sit well with temps.
    I do see on my cyborpower is only using 240W total idle. so cpu is idle at 35c, and  69 load.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/10 15:52:41 (permalink)
    Also, I am running vengeance pro rgb 3200 , maybe bumping that up to 3600? I will leave cpu at 4800, and so im not
    deliding it, since I don't wanna take a chance in breaking it. I will jump to a 10 series skylake x soon anyway. but folks
    on the boards say 4800 is that sweet spot with no bottlenecks.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/12 18:50:43 (permalink)
    Getting a quad channel kit of dominator pro 3600 rgb in a couple of days which should massevly boost 
    this thing. Buildzoid says x299 dark and this ram are hand and glove , and can hit 4000 MHz at 12  latency 
     
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/12 20:01:08 (permalink)
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    Getting a quad channel kit of dominator pro 3600 rgb in a couple of days which should massevly boost 
    this thing. Buildzoid says x299 dark and this ram are hand and glove , and can hit 4000 MHz at 12  latency 
     


    Nice!     .....though the memory might be worth more than the CPU at this point 
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/12 20:04:46 (permalink)
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    Getting a quad channel kit of dominator pro 3600 rgb in a couple of days which should massevly boost 
    this thing. Buildzoid says x299 dark and this ram are hand and glove , and can hit 4000 MHz at 12  latency 
     


    It's really not going to give you a "massive boost" like you are thinking. In all honesty it will be a few percentage points at best and barely, if even at all noticeable in games. 
     
    I'm not sure what you're looking for but whatever it is, you aren't going to find it small RAM speed upgrades. 

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 08:24:35 (permalink)
    Just want to edge out the performance on this thing, and leave it alone for a few years. 
    I heard the x299 dark systems only starve when it comes to the mesh, and latency, but
    if you can corners these things but pushing them to their max, and with a beafy GPU like
    a 2070 super jacked to 2080 speeds, and fastest SSD's , and a 970pro Samsung, then
    your future proof for a few years.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 13:09:59 (permalink)
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    Just want to edge out the performance on this thing, and leave it alone for a few years. 
    I heard the x299 dark systems only starve when it comes to the mesh, and latency, but
    if you can corners these things but pushing them to their max, and with a beafy GPU like
    a 2070 super jacked to 2080 speeds, and fastest SSD's , and a 970pro Samsung, then
    your future proof for a few years.


    I'm glad you think that but the reality of the matter is quite the opposite. There is no such thing as "future proof" it doesn't exist. There is always something coming along that is faster, more efficient and with new features/tech. Sorry to burst your bubble but no a RTX 2070 Super isn't what I'd consider a "beefy" GPU as it's upper-mid range at best in today's landscape. 

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 13:43:00 (permalink)
    Good point. Intel isn't gonna push anything out anytime soon that's gonna bare a 40 to 50 percent increase in speed.
    but for what i'm doing at 1440 p 144 hz, im fine. Just wanna get system more snappier, and maxed out. 
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 15:13:42 (permalink)
    I did get info that with the Samsung b di dominator ram, I can go as low as c12 on latency which will help a lot with latency vs the
    16 I have right now with vengeance pro 3200. Gonna see. just wanna finish this thing out, and call it a day for awhile.  I did hear from
    Tech Yes City, if I add another Rtx 2070 super FTW3 with SLI, that will close gap.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 15:44:35 (permalink)
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    I did get info that with the Samsung b di dominator ram, I can go as low as c12 on latency which will help a lot with latency vs the
    16 I have right now with vengeance pro 3200. Gonna see. just wanna finish this thing out, and call it a day for awhile.  I did hear from
    Tech Yes City, if I add another Rtx 2070 super FTW3 with SLI, that will close gap.


    You are just reading random nonsense without really actually understanding any of it is what it seems to me. SLI is all but dead at this point as support for it is at an all time low so definitely don't waste your money there and if you really think you are going to be running 4000Mhz RAM at CL 12, well lets just say you have another thing coming. 
     
    Please stop and take a breath and try and soak it all in. There is nothing wrong with tweaking and tuning your system but you are setting your expectations way to high. Going from 3200Mhz at CL16 to 3600 even at CL12 will not make any noticeable difference in games. 

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 16:43:30 (permalink)
    I have to agree with that. Even Linus says: Ram timings and speed to reak real world difference. I enjoy chasing numbers, but im not
    Kingpin or Debaur. I did hear faster better ram yields better performance in other things like video rendering, or even doing Blender stuff.
    Wanna expand abilties in system besides just gaming. And im gonna stick with 1 GPU, cuz GTA 5 would only really use SLI anyway.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 16:59:52 (permalink)
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    I have to agree with that. Even Linus says: Ram timings and speed to reak real world difference. I enjoy chasing numbers, but im not
    Kingpin or Debaur. I did hear faster better ram yields better performance in other things like video rendering, or even doing Blender stuff.
    Wanna expand abilties in system besides just gaming. And im gonna stick with 1 GPU, cuz GTA 5 would only really use SLI anyway.


    I'm not trying to be a jerk man, I'm glad you have enthusiasm for tinkering with your system. You just gotta temper them with realistic expectations is all. I dunno though maybe it's me who's lacking here as I used to share that same enthusiasm back in the day. I guess I'm just jaded by how many times I've been grounded back to reality and let down by what I was hoping would be a good performance gain from things like faster RAM speed or running my FSB 1:1 ratio with my RAM only to see at most an improvement of 1-3 frames per sec on my DFI SLI-DR .....damn I'm getting old....do you even know what a FSB is? lol OK I'm done here, carry on. 
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/13 17:51:32 (permalink)
    I go back to ocing on a bx440 with a p2, and even earlier. And I was hoping for same with x58 and 980x with 
    hopes and dreams that going from 1600 to 2133 on 3 channels. but at the end of day, nothing over a 4.2ghz
    oc was just minimal. 
     
     
    Seems the 4800mhz with 32 mesh on 7820 is doing fine. Can't really see going to 5ghz, even on 2 cores will make
    any difference from experiences. and Steve at Hardware Unboxed says HEDT doesn't yield the gaming like ringbus
    based intel chips. 
     
    And FSB ocing on 920 with x58 before the 980x was fun. had a 200fsb and 20 to get 4ghz was fun back in 2009.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/15 15:39:56 (permalink)
    Ok, played with some settings, and got memory to 4000 16-18-18 1t timings, and yes, it 
    does make a difference. Doom games seem to hit my 144 hz refresh, and GTA is 10 frames 
    higher, so yes mem settings can improve games.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/15 16:05:01 (permalink)
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    Ok, played with some settings, and got memory to 4000 16-18-18 1t timings, and yes, it 
    does make a difference. Doom games seem to hit my 144 hz refresh, and GTA is 10 frames 
    higher, so yes mem settings can improve games.


    I doubt very much you are getting a 10fps average bump from just a memory speed bump in GTA 5, you really need to run an actual benchmark and not just some random game save at some random area and call it an improvement. As for Doom, if you can't hit the 144hz refresh rate cap on your 1440p panel with your RTX 2070 Super with max settings at even stock clocks you have a much larger issue in your system. 

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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/15 16:59:08 (permalink)
    I am hitting 165 in Doom. Did some Far Cry 5 benchies, and see a 5fps, GTA V, in the benchmark, on 10 frames.
    I know mem isn't gonna cut it, but in chrome stuff and some blender, and synthetic benchies, I get some gains.
    Just wanna pimp this thing to its limits. 4000 on the ram is stable, not gonna push anymore. CPU is at 4800 , seems
    stable and at its limits. and GPU with 100 on the core, and mem at 7700, its at its bestr. system is stable, and thats
    what is important at this time. Games run good, and most of them but GTA 5 seem to hit my LG Gsync 165 oc on the hz.
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/16 07:13:13 (permalink)
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    I did get info that with the Samsung b di dominator ram, I can go as low as c12 on latency which will help a lot with latency vs the
    16 I have right now with vengeance pro 3200. Gonna see. just wanna finish this thing out, and call it a day for awhile.  I did hear from
    Tech Yes City, if I add another Rtx 2070 super FTW3 with SLI, that will close gap.


    You are just reading random nonsense without really actually understanding any of it is what it seems to me. SLI is all but dead at this point as support for it is at an all time low so definitely don't waste your money there and if you really think you are going to be running 4000Mhz RAM at CL 12, well lets just say you have another thing coming. 
     
    Please stop and take a breath and try and soak it all in. There is nothing wrong with tweaking and tuning your system but you are setting your expectations way to high. Going from 3200Mhz at CL16 to 3600 even at CL12 will not make any noticeable difference in games. 


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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/16 09:55:01 (permalink)
    I do see what going on. Not sure why games can't use this bandwidth, but I do notice things in windows more snappier, and
    respocive like Chrome stuff. Im very stable at 4000 cl16 1t command. How low can I go with timings on the dominator platiums
    modules? Corsair told me that 12cl at 4000 is achievable, but with excotic cooling. well lets see, got 8 fans a 360 rad 150i
    and temps are very good for skylake x cpu. and I tossed out idea with SLI not gonna do it. 
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/16 13:08:33 (permalink)
    OK...your generation CPU is the same as mine.  I have the 7820X and was able to clock mine, all core, at 4.3 GHZ and not have bad temps.  The key with this gen CPU is to keep the voltage under 1.20 volts as much as possible.  At 4.3 GHZ, I was able to leave voltage on AUTO on my motherboard and achieve temps of around 70C max.  I tinkered around and got my CPU locked at 4.6 GHZ and did a set voltage of 1.17V and a mesh of 33.  The CPU still runs cool and is far exceeding expectations with synthetic benchmarks.  Yes...it is fast...and it does video encoding faster...so I am seeing real world as well.  I cool the beast with an EVGA CLC 280 so my temps are still around the same range with a 2-3 degree variance both ways.  I haven't run anything except heavy synthetics that make the CPU exceed 80C.  Most times it will top off in the 60's.  My single core with Cinebench R20 is about the same as a 9700K and multicore is about the same as a 9900K.  The best part of the original Skylake-X is that for yours and my CPU, the TPU is 140W vs the newer gen that are 165W.  We have more head room to play.  I run DDR4 3200 15-15-35 and have clocked it as high at 3600.  When I ran memory benchmarks using AIDA 64, the difference was only a few thousand points on memory speed.  Around 82,000 at 3200 and around 87,000 at 3600.  If I want to keep my timings, I have to relax the memory to 3400.  Hope that any part of this is helpful to you...
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/16 14:29:13 (permalink)
    Much yes. Very helpful I don't plan on changing any more parts for awhile now. my chip runs idle around 37c and in high
    stressful loads, it will reach 80c and relax to 60c. I am funning a corsair 150i platium 360 rad with hd fans at 100 speed.
    I am using right now corsairs 3600 dominatore platium rgb which uses Samsung chips so can run high. im am right now
    running at 4000 at cl16. and aida seems to dish out the same stuff as if I was running lower stuff. so marginal is right on
    specs or results. 
    These chips behave welll if you tame them. I only run 1.275vcore and im stable all cores at 4800 all day long
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    Re: This board with a 7800x 2019/12/16 17:05:53 (permalink)
    Your numbers look good.  Are you using static voltage or Auto?  I wonder because I can reach 4.8 GHZ at 1.19 volts...but under full load, I will  hit 90C on three of my eight cores.  Too high for my taste.  I wonder if you see those temps because your AIO is a 360 vs my 280

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    I do override; VTT is 1.85, Vcore is 1.275, uncore +100 Mem is 1.45v  and avx offset of 3. 
    and I disabled vdroop. so static here. stable on all tests including the r20 
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