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2019/09/17 02:21:42 (permalink)
Hello everyone. New to the forum and I'm in need of assistance with my closed loop. I recently pulled my hardware out of my Case Labs SM 8, Hardware Labs Black Ice Nemesis GTX 480 and 240, running a DDC pump. 2x GTX 1080 it's and a I7-8086K.

I put all my hardware onto my test bench so I can start modifications to my SM 8. First using my HWL GTX 480, I put the loop together with 3/4-1/2 soft tube and a new D5 pump reservoir combo from Singularity Computers. Started to fill the loop with Myhems system prep 2 and turned the PSU on to prime. Pump starts but I have absolutely no pressure.

Knowing the loop would prime with my DDC pump, I drained everything and installed my DDC pump reservoir combo, Singularity Computers again, filled the loop and the same problem occurred.

I decided to drain the system again and replace my HWL GTX 480 with a EK PE 360 I had in storage. Filled loop and again, no pressure with the D5 pump.

I have less than 3 feet of tubing ran and no kinks in any of the tubing. DDC and D5 pumps are running 100%. Loop order is Pump out to CPU in, CPU out to GPU in, GPU out to radiator, radiator to top of reservoir. Only running one GPU on my Test Bench.

It's a little mind boggling knowing the DDC pump ran my entire loop in my SM 8 with longer tube runs and not on my test bench.
If anyone can help with my problem, I would greatly appreciate it.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/17 23:49:00 (permalink)
A short video would make it pretty easy to diganose.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 00:02:49 (permalink)
What fluid were you running in the loop prior to disassembly? Check your waterblocks for cloggage.

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 00:32:06 (permalink)
D5 pumps can be hard to clear the air out of when first installed dry, you may need to move and shift it around to break up the air in it before it can build the suction to pump water.
 
I am assuming you have the intake/exhaust ports correct and checked to make sure it's vibrating when powered. But it's probably the air pocket in it, I own a D5 that's 13 years old and still going strong. Always takes mine several power cycles and gentle shaking to get it entirely clear of air whenever I drained the loop.


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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 04:18:01 (permalink)
I've tried moving my test bench around, turning it back and forth and yes, all my inlets and outlets on the blocks and pump are connected right. I can hear either pump turn on and feel the warmth coming off of them. When I uninstalled everything from my case and although the waterblocks looked in decent shape to begin with, I took them apart to manually clean them.

I've been watercooling for years and this is the first time I've had any trouble priming loops. I'm going to fiddle around with it tomorrow after work. I appreciate the help Kougar and a213m.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 05:31:31 (permalink)
Maybe - one of your plugs or fittings it too long - it may be blocking the fluid at that point - in your loop

If you have the pump on long enough length of hose then raise the D5 above the system, any amount you can - it should gravity feed through the pump - as long as the air can escape - from a high point in the loop.  (your using the top of your reservoir as the return, might want to move / (remove) that, at least temp for a quick test)
 
I know that EK CPU water block Is Directional --> the flow only works one way

My D5 powers My build Nibbler - 3 - GPU, CPU & 2 Radiators - those pumps have plenty of pressure
 
Tests:
- pump to bucket - distilled water
- take CPU out of loop - does it flow ?
- take GPU out of loop - does it flow ?
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 05:40:15 (permalink)
Thanks Cool GTX, I will check the plugs. However, I did try to gravity feed the loop as well without any luck. Would only feed a certain distance, to the CPU block and stop.

Come to think about it, I have a water temp plug connected on the back side of the pump. Maybe to long and is stopping the pump propeller. I'll look at it tonight after work and keep you posted with results. Thanks again Cool GTX.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 05:58:59 (permalink)
which part number - Singularity Computers & D5 pump reservoir combo

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 06:06:36 (permalink)
https://www.singularitycomputers.com/shop/watercooling/protium-150-d5-reservoir-combo-acetal-stand-alone/

Also, I was curious and checked the water temp plug. Unfortunately, this wasn't the problem. Would you think a 90 deg fitting from the pump out port would restrict the flow in any way? When I had it in my CaseLabs SM 8 I had the same setup but longer tube runs. It's odd that both the D5 and the DDC pumps are doing the same thing.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 06:26:00 (permalink)
No - the 90 should not cause an issue, even if you have several of them
 
EK - does warn about "long threaded" fittings - have the ability to block ports
 

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 06:44:23 (permalink)
I'm using all Bitspower fittings which are not in any way blocking the flow. Taking the tube off the top of the inlet on the reservoir, I can suck some water through both water blocks and radiator. I just can't seem to get the pump to prime even giggling and tilting the system around. The only thing I can think of is that the pumps are air locking on me, as Kougar said. But both D5 and DDC having the same issue really confuses me.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 07:09:32 (permalink)
Thanks anyways for the help. Seems this Forum is good. I look forward being here.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 07:39:02 (permalink)
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Thanks anyways for the help. Seems this Forum is good. I look forward being here.

 
 
We try to Help
 
OK, couple more ideas, though have issues with Both types of your pumps -- seems to indicate the blockage is somewhere in your loop
 
Mfg defect of the pump body - blocked ? 
 
The O-ring on D5 pump can "set" the gap between rotor & pump housing - maybe its touching ?
 
So, if you blow into one of those (extra) inlet ports on your D5 combo what happens -"pressurize the reservoir"

Protium 150 D5/Reservoir Combo Acetal (Stand Alone)
       8 ports, 1 outlet, 7 inlets
 
It is almost Always the little things that cause all the trouble - some small detail

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 10:43:32 (permalink)
Are you sure the power plugs wiring on the pump is the same as the plug coming from the psu/mobo etc... ? Maybe that the wiring is different for different manufacturers. Sure sounds like impeller not turning. 

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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/18 18:55:12 (permalink)
Looks like Cool GTX has your back! Some extra questions for clarification, is this D5 new or was it in use before your rebuild?? Just so I understand clearly, was it stock or did you mount a block to the D5?
 
The D5's can be opened up and you can inspect the impeller and check for debris that way. The vibration is a good sign. If this was a well-used D5 then gunk from the past loop may have gotten in there and is simply blocking water flow or preventing the impeller from turning at speed. All those additive fluids break down eventually and can cause issues. This vid shows the D5 impeller, could be gunk inside like there was with his https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRGS4GJ-NQU


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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/20 07:52:44 (permalink)
Sorry I've been away. I've been extremely busy with other things in life. I'm glad to see I'm getting a lot of support with my problem. Great community here on the EVGA Forums.

Wmmills, either pump is working. I can guarantee this.

Kougar, Pumps and blocks are cleaned. I've taken apart everything and inspected, cleaned and put together again. I like how you sent the link to Jay's Two Cents. I'm a follower of his channel.

Cool GTX, pumps are running as they should. I get a little bit of a cyclone effect but not enough to cause air into the pump. It is worse with the 150 mm reservoir. I've even tried my 250 mm reservoir on both pumps for more gravity feed pressure.

Blowing into the one of the spare ports at the top of the reservoir doesn't do much for pressurizing the reservoir. I'm a smoker for 20 plus years. Lungs aren't up to it any longer. Haha.

I've tried to disconnect the last hose running from the GPU block to the rad this morning and trying bleed out air while the pump was running. No luck. It's like I don't have enough 'Head Pressure' with either pump.

To all, I'm going to leave the pump on by its self all day today with the reservoir open for air to escape to see if it will prime enough to get the flow going. So far, the past hour it's filled everything, CPU, GPU and radiator but there seems to be air still in the line between pump and CPU block, CPU block and GPU block and between the GPU block and rad.

Thanks again for all the help. Again, I really appreciate the community here.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/20 15:42:10 (permalink)
Silly question, but I have to ask... is this a PWM or set speed pump? (3 wires versus 4)

If it is a set speed, make sure it is turned up to 11 (actually 5, since that is max).

If it is PWM, make sure it is reading proper speeds and is turned up at the fan header, and that the fan header is set to PWM.

If everything is at max, you may need to check each part individually as something has a blockage somewhere. Taking everything apart will be tedious, but you will need to check all of the passes or at least make sure air will make it through relatively unrestricted.

It could be something simple like a dislodged jet plate on the cpu block or GPU block causing the issue.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/20 16:36:46 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby Cool GTX 2019/09/21 13:51:32
Thanks The Scarlet one. I actually just finished putting it all back together after checking everything over. Turns out I put the cold plate on the CPU block on wrong. 🤦‍♂️Turned it 90 degrees and I know have flow. Thanks everyone for all your help. Problem is now solved and the CPU is running between 60 - 65 and GPU at 42 on full stress test. Going to be good to game again.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/20 18:46:13 (permalink)
Awesome! It is very very easy to turn one of the parts, especially with the CPU, just a little off center and block the flow. Very glad you found the culprit and very glad you are back up and running :-)
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/21 05:27:38 (permalink)
Hah, pretty funny. Glad ya found the problem!


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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/21 07:02:29 (permalink)
I'm glad as well... And feel a little stupid at the same time.
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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/21 13:02:58 (permalink)
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I'm glad as well... And feel a little stupid at the same time.



Don't sweat it, most waterblocks used to be omnidirectional so it often didn't matter. Now with them being hyper-optimized I guess it's a thing of the past. And if you buy a Threadripper, the chip is a giant rectangle so there will only ever be a single way to remount the baseplate to put the block back together anyway.  


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Re: D5 & DDC pump. Problem with priming. 2019/09/21 13:52:43 (permalink)
almost Always the little things that cause all the trouble - some small detail - Glad you found the issue

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