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2019/06/05 01:52:26 (permalink)
So recently I had a leg of our power drop randomly, and I'm wondering should I invest in an uninterruptible power supply?
 
I'm kind of weary of the things I've heard regarding overheating and potentially starting fires with those units.
Would I be safe to get a high joule protection surge protector, or do I absolutely need a UPS?
I don't want to lose a GPU to a power outage.
 
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 02:26:37 (permalink)
    UPS' are essential to protecting your PC. Especially if you are in a bad area prone to brown or black outs. They also filter the current so you get cleaner and more stable power. I have been using APC units for years with no issues and they work as intended. I also have 2 old Belkin UPS' i still use and replace batteries when needed.
     
    A surge protector would help with spikes and motherboards do have surge protection options in BIOS, but you will be better protected with a UPS. Belkin makes really good surge protectors with up to 4000 joules of protection. Too bad they no longer make UPS'
     
    Not sure where you heard of overheating but when they are on battery mode the new ones have fans so that would be extremely rare. Even when charging or just on they dont ever get that hot and mine are usually barely warm to the touch. These wont spontaneously combust. I use at home and at work and never had any issues.

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 02:43:05 (permalink)
    Well that definitely gives me something to think about, now just to figure out which one I should buy... lol
    Thanks for the reply, I've set my motherboard to stay off at power loss just in case it happens again in the meantime.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 03:44:03 (permalink)
    If not a full-blown UPS I always recommend some sort of power conditioner/surge protector with voltage regulation.
     
    As for UPS depends how much you want to spend, I'd say 1500VA/900W minimum but going beyond that usually doubles price or more


     
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 04:04:33 (permalink)
    Oh... I just purchased a 1350va/810w APC unit... is that a bad thing?
     
    I used a power checker online to determine power usage and it said I'd only need a 1000va unit, but I figured with my monitor and modem/router connected to it I'd do with a bit more.
    Should I have gotten a bigger one?
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 04:31:14 (permalink)
    I have a UPS simply for Voltage regulation.....over the years we've had a few brown outs and it's damaged a few pieces of equipment....
     
    I don't really care about uptime when power goes out, tho
     

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 06:07:33 (permalink)
    Make sure it's a true Sinewave UPS and not a simulated one.  Long story short and iirc, the real one is healthy for your PSU while the simulated one is a wannabe and not great for your PSU/components in the long run and it might give you issues. 
     
    I just bunched up the things I've heard over the years and anyone with a better explanation, pls do.

    Depending on the watts pulled and how much time you'd like, this PSU is what I'll eventually get unless there's a new gen out since I pull around half of the load capacity giving me more time during a blackout and it's a true Sinewave.  They are pricey compared to the simulated ones.

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 06:25:48 (permalink)
    I have a UPS in case there's a power outage.  I have my PC and monitor attached.   So I can go shut it down in the case.   It also supplies all the surge protection.  Do I need it?  No.  A simple surge protector is nice, but if Im in the middle of something like video editing, I can at least save my work and shut down. 

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 06:40:35 (permalink)
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    Make sure it's a true Sinewave UPS and not a simulated one.  Long story short and iirc, the real one is healthy for your PSU while the simulated one is a wannabe and not great for your PSU/components in the long run and it might give you issues. 
     
    I just bunched up the things I've heard over the years and anyone with a better explanation, pls do.

    Depending on the watts pulled and how much time you'd like, PSU is what I'll eventually get unless there's a new gen out since I pull around half of the load capacity giving me more time during a blackout and it's a true Sinewave.  They are pricey compared to the simulated ones.


    I just bought this one: APC Battery Protector BackUPS BX1350M
    Did I choose incorrectly?
     
     
     
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 07:04:29 (permalink)
    I Always run UPS on my Rigs ---> Make OC easier with a stable voltage
     
    An inexpensive Sine Wave unit $180 with 3 yr warranty   CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1500VA/900W 

    Another model that has worked good for me $185 with 5yr warranty CyberPower BRG1500AVRLCD Intelligent LCD UPS System, 1500VA/900W 

    I've given up on APC brand UPS -- the ones I've owned seem to "cook" the batteries -- batteries look to be bulging from Over charge issues - battery Life issues
     
     
     
    FAQ - UPS

    https://www.evga.com/supp...ewfaq.aspx?faqid=59443


    Do EVGA Power Supplies support UPS backup devices that support Line-Interactive AVR UPS which uses a simulated/artificial sine wave?
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    Yes, all EVGA power supplies support UPS backup devices.


    In regards to this concern, the high voltage coming from a UPS backup device may damage the PSU.


    1. EVGA power supplies that support active PFC, and the IC can sense the voltage of main capacitor.
            -If the voltage is too high(over 380V), the PFC will be protected.


    2. The main capacitor can stand higher voltage around 420V(more than the voltage comes from UPS)

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 07:52:47 (permalink)
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    Do EVGA Power Supplies support UPS backup devices that support Line-Interactive AVR UPS which uses a simulated/artificial sine wave?
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    Yes, all EVGA power supplies support UPS backup devices.


    In regards to this concern, the high voltage coming from a UPS backup device may damage the PSU.


    1. EVGA power supplies that support active PFC, and the IC can sense the voltage of main capacitor.
            -If the voltage is too high(over 380V), the PFC will be protected.


    2. The main capacitor can stand higher voltage around 420V(more than the voltage comes from UPS)


    So does this mean I should return the one I bought?
    For some reason the link you posted takes me to the main EVGA website, not a sub page. Could just be my phone.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 08:04:59 (permalink)
    I have the 185 dollar one that he posted...
     
    I don't believe you've purchased incorrectly, tho...APC has been my choice in the past and has been fine....
     
    the 1500VA is a bit nicer, I suppose, but the 1350VA APC you purchased should be ok...depends on whether you think
    Cool GTX (and he's pretty darned knowledgeable ...) experience should influence you..
     
     

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 08:08:56 (permalink)
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    Do EVGA Power Supplies support UPS backup devices that support Line-Interactive AVR UPS which uses a simulated/artificial sine wave?
    Answer / Solution 
     
     
    Yes, all EVGA power supplies support UPS backup devices.


    In regards to this concern, the high voltage coming from a UPS backup device may damage the PSU.


    1. EVGA power supplies that support active PFC, and the IC can sense the voltage of main capacitor.
            -If the voltage is too high(over 380V), the PFC will be protected.


    2. The main capacitor can stand higher voltage around 420V(more than the voltage comes from UPS)


    So does this mean I should return the one I bought?
    For some reason the link you posted takes me to the main EVGA website, not a sub page. Could just be my phone.

     
     
    I posted the content of the - FAQ ID # 59443 ---> you do not need to follow the link
     
    [ Link works for me, just tested them to make sure - no idea why they are not working for your phone ]
     
    OK go here   https://www.evga.com/support/knowledgebase/

    enter "UPS" (remove quotes) in the Search Box
     
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    I changed brands because of the reviews from other Forum members for the CyberPower & my experience with APC & short battery life - have not bought APC in a few years, maybe they have gotten it fixed ?
     
     
     

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 08:14:12 (permalink)
    Omg I totally read that wrong. So that means that it’s perfectly safe to use one with my EVGA power supply.
    When I read: “In regards to this concern, the high voltage coming from a UPS backup device may damage the PSU.”
    I read it as a statement, not as the query, followed by the results.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 08:19:28 (permalink)
    Your PC if it normally draws 750 W or less should work ---> with that 810 W UPS

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 08:21:30 (permalink)
    Yeah it’s around 455w then i accounted for my modem/router combo and my 2 monitors.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 10:50:51 (permalink)
    Just note that the UPS you purchased is not a pure sinewave. You may also have a buzzing noise when the UPS is on battery coming from the computers PSU. Which is ok. I have had that in the past and never had any issues or anything that effects the PSU.
     
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 12:36:12 (permalink)
    So it will only have that buzzing if my power goes out, or does it randomly switch to battery use for some reason? Yesterday I knew very little of UPS’ outside of them using a battery to allow safe shutdown in the event of an outage.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 17:42:12 (permalink)
    You should be fine with the APC and as long as your PSU is below the 810W of the UPS you will be fine. If it is running the system off of battery you can bet that a buzzing sound will not be an issue. Normally they beep or sound an alarm if the power goes out to let you know it's on battery. 

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 17:57:27 (permalink)
    This is what I use up to 950 Watts
    APC UPS Battery Backup & Surge Protector with AVR, 1500VA, APC Back-UPS Pro (BX1500M)
    Up to 900 Watts but 2 of the 3 I have, have problems with the Battery and one I had to send back for a new unit so I would not get this model.
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    APC BR1500G Back-UPS Pro 1500VA 10-outlet Uninterruptible Power Supply
     
    For 1050 Watts but the cost is high.
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 19:07:10 (permalink)
     
    Yes. I use CyberPower 1325w

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 19:07:23 (permalink)
     
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 19:34:01 (permalink)
    Is 'Adaptive Sinewave' the same as 'Pure Sinewave'?  I'm confused because I'm looking at the link of the cheaper CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD 900w compared to the pricier CyberPower PR1500LCD 1050w (Pure Sinewave?) to see if they both are 'Pure Sinewave' and why one costs almost double than the other.

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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/06/05 19:46:18 (permalink)
    A Good Question for CyberPower but one is rated at 1050 Watts and the Other at only 900 Watts and one is Smart and the other is not.
    Most UPS Units that Support 1000 or more watts do cost More in General.
     
    Here is a Cheaper one
    CyberPower OR1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1500VA/1050W, 8 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower $254.95

     
    I Also use the  CyberPower PR1500LCD Smart App Sinewave UPS 1500VA 1050W SNMP/HTTP Mini-Tower on my $10,000 Severs 
     
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    Re: To use a UPS or not to use a UPS, that is the question... 2019/07/03 11:02:43 (permalink)
    I have definitely used American Power Conversion (APC) Battery Backup for awhile. Like others have mentioned they allow you to shutdown your computer and other connected devices rather than a hard shutdown through losing power. The APC ones tend to sacrifice Joule rating for Battery Backup capability. I would think a higher Joule rating would protect the electronics better. However, I have never switched from Battery Backup so I do not know and never had a surge damage my equipment.
     
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