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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/08 16:38:03 (permalink)
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Tons of info there, thanks!  I guess it isn't as critical as CPU thermal paste application then, where too much excess can be a bad thing?




If you filled the Valley between the GPU Die & Frame that would be a Bad thing - way too much TIM. 

Your shooting to get some in the Valley as the extra after covering the GPU.



Distinct GPU shaped pattern = Good TIM coverage on GPU would make this kind of pattern on the heatsink.
 
Notice the slightly raised edges (perimeter) where the excess TIM flowed down into the valley
 
The other peaks & veining in the TIM are from separating the GPU & heatsink



 
 
 
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/08 17:33:15 (permalink)
Getting a bit confused now.  I have 1070 FTW cards.  Should I get 1mm thick or 2mm thick thermal pads?  I've found some MX-4 on Amazon so that's cool, I'll try that out even though I have some Noctua NT-H1 handy.  Just need to find some good thermal pads.  I think I'll mod one or two cards for now, see how they perform, then decide on the rest later.
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/08 17:35:48 (permalink)
Cool GTX, I get those results with my grain of rice method on my CPU and CPU cooler.  I've also just confirmed that the thermal paste I'm using is non-conductive anyway so I need not be concerned of using too much, a little excess is good and guarantees a good layer of TIM, too much is just wasting TIM.
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/08 17:58:33 (permalink)
read the FAQ links in post #22
 
there are several pads of different thickness depending on Where they are used

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/08 18:20:49 (permalink)
Using too much tim isn't a problem...
 

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 12:20:44 (permalink)
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read the FAQ links in post #22
 
there are several pads of different thickness depending on Where they are used

Exactly.  Some lines say 1mm, others 2mm.  I guess this is what I should be looking at:
1080/1070 FTW:

Baseplate (Narrow) Pad: 26mm x 110mm x 1mm +/-0.1mm thickness
Backplate (Wide) Pad: 58mm x 110mm x 2mm +/-0.1mm thickness

 
Sorry if I'm being a bit thick here (pun intended!) but I just want to be triple-sure that I'm using the correct ones for my card.  I've never done this before and don't really like the idea of cooking a GPU on an "oopsie!!" mistake.
 
Any reason you use MX-4?  From what I can read online, it's a good TIM for regular use but not for overclocking and I may put a small OC on the 1070 that will stay in my personal PC.
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 12:30:00 (permalink)
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Using too much tim isn't a problem...

OMG!  Thanks for the link!  I love Jayz but I usually skip these types of videos so never watched that one before.  Yep, point made successfully re: GPU TIM application.


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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 12:47:59 (permalink)
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read the FAQ links in post #22
 
there are several pads of different thickness depending on Where they are used

Exactly.  Some lines say 1mm, others 2mm.  I guess this is what I should be looking at:
1080/1070 FTW:

Baseplate (Narrow) Pad: 26mm x 110mm x 1mm +/-0.1mm thickness
Backplate (Wide) Pad: 58mm x 110mm x 2mm +/-0.1mm thickness

 
Sorry if I'm being a bit thick here (pun intended!) but I just want to be triple-sure that I'm using the correct ones for my card.  I've never done this before and don't really like the idea of cooking a GPU on an "oopsie!!" mistake.
 
Any reason you use MX-4?  From what I can read online, it's a good TIM for regular use but not for overclocking and I may put a small OC on the 1070 that will stay in my personal PC.




Those are for the Thermal Mod --- Extra pads to improve the Original design --->  https://www.evga.com/thermalmod/  <---
 

 
 

 
 
---> Then you Have the Standard Pads  --->  What thickness are the thermal pads on my graphics card?

If you choose to replace the thermal pads on your graphics card, you will want to use thermal pads which are 1.0mm thick. This is the same for all of our graphics cards regardless of the generation. Typically, thermal pads come in packs of strips and then you would want to cut them down to the length you need.

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Standard Pads go on the RAM & a few other parts around the GPU -- like VRM
 
If you use a Quality TIM & are OC above Zero temps .... they can be very similar performance +/- 1 C
 
MX-4 is Non-conductive, relatively Inexpensive & does Not dry-out requiring reapplication after 1 to 3 years - as some Brands do  
 
 

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 13:07:53 (permalink)
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Using too much tim isn't a problem...

OMG!  Thanks for the link!  I love Jayz but I usually skip these types of videos so never watched that one before.  Yep, point made successfully re: GPU TIM application.




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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 15:51:33 (permalink)
Okay, getting more and more confused now.  I just checked the SN on that page and it says
Your EVGA Graphics Card already has the recommended VBIOS Update and Thermal Pads applied.

 
So maybe because of the thicker pads, that's why I have so much oil? 
 
Anyway, more confused now regarding what thickness of thermal pads to buy.  Might as well open up one GPU and have a look, maybe that'll clear things up.
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 15:58:49 (permalink)
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Okay, getting more and more confused now.  I just checked the SN on that page and it says
Your EVGA Graphics Card already has the recommended VBIOS Update and Thermal Pads applied.

 
So maybe because of the thicker pads, that's why I have so much oil? 
 
Anyway, more confused now regarding what thickness of thermal pads to buy.  Might as well open up one GPU and have a look, maybe that'll clear things up.


You need 1 mm and 2 mm pads since you are going to want to replace all of the pads.

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/09 16:22:09 (permalink)
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If you use a Quality TIM & are OC above Zero temps .... they can be very similar performance +/- 1 C
 
MX-4 is Non-conductive, relatively Inexpensive & does Not dry-out requiring reapplication after 1 to 3 years - as some Brands do  



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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/10 11:31:28 (permalink)
LOL, so stupid lately.  For some reason, I thought it was just 1 thickness pad for the entire GPU and not 2 different thicknesseseses....
 
@ MX-4 users: any of you guys overclock your CPUs and/or GPUs using MX-4? 
Seeing as there's only a little price difference on MX-4 and NT-H1, why the MX-4 and not the NT-H1?
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/10 11:44:29 (permalink)
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LOL, so stupid lately.  For some reason, I thought it was just 1 thickness pad for the entire GPU and not 2 different thicknesseseses....
 
@ MX-4 users: any of you guys overclock your CPUs and/or GPUs using MX-4? 
Seeing as there's only a little price difference on MX-4 and NT-H1, why the MX-4 and not the NT-H1?


If you're going to the trouble, why not also get some liquid tape to use around the GPU die, and use LM? You'd be good to go until something breaks.

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/10 12:40:53 (permalink)
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LOL, so stupid lately.  For some reason, I thought it was just 1 thickness pad for the entire GPU and not 2 different thicknesseseses....
 
@ MX-4 users: any of you guys overclock your CPUs and/or GPUs using MX-4? 
Seeing as there's only a little price difference on MX-4 and NT-H1, why the MX-4 and not the NT-H1?



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My RTX Project is still on Air with "stock" TIM & Pads & the water blocks are sitting on the shelf
 
WHY --> I tried MX-4 --> I liked MX-4 --> no reason to change .... besides the tube still has MX-4 in it
 
NT-H1 is a quality brand & should work just fine; some people may even Prefer it. 

Unless your going for world record benchmark runs ...... just make sure it is Not Conductive .... or know what your doing - cause shorts are not covered by warranty

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 03:53:41 (permalink)
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If you're going to the trouble, why not also get some liquid tape to use around the GPU die, and use LM? You'd be good to go until something breaks.

Same reason I don't do liquid nitrogen cooling :D
 
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OC 24/7 -->   on my Folding Rigs ... they are Hybrid or Custom loop... unless I'm testing on stock cooler

Just trying to confirm if the articles I've read are correct or not, where they say that MX-4 is not good for overclocking but NT-H1 is.  I guess you're saying the article is wrong?
 
Personally, no preference, I just have the Noctua stuff because I have a Noctua cooler.  Trying to figure out what MX-4 has going for it that would warrant me using it over the NT-H1.  I know both are good products.
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 05:40:26 (permalink)
Use what you have, as I said before with Quality TIM, the difference in not very much ......

That sounds more like opinion MX-4 will work with OC just fine


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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 08:48:31 (permalink)
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If you're going to the trouble, why not also get some liquid tape to use around the GPU die, and use LM? You'd be good to go until something breaks.

Same reason I don't do liquid nitrogen cooling :D
 
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OC 24/7 -->   on my Folding Rigs ... they are Hybrid or Custom loop... unless I'm testing on stock cooler

Just trying to confirm if the articles I've read are correct or not, where they say that MX-4 is not good for overclocking but NT-H1 is.  I guess you're saying the article is wrong?
 
Personally, no preference, I just have the Noctua stuff because I have a Noctua cooler.  Trying to figure out what MX-4 has going for it that would warrant me using it over the NT-H1.  I know both are good products.




I use MX-4 on most of my systems, they are all overclocked. MX-4 is a good TIM
But if you already have NT-H1, use it. 
 

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 11:38:55 (permalink)
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Just trying to confirm if the articles I've read are correct or not, where they say that MX-4 is not good for overclocking but NT-H1 is.  I guess you're saying the article is wrong?




Sounds like a hit piece on MX-4. 

As everyone else echo'd, just use what you have.  Should be just fine.  I personally like MX-4 because it stuck out years ago as one of the best before the others showed up.

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 11:54:37 (permalink)
+1

I have not tried the "New & Improved" MX-4 yet .... have not used up all the MX-4 in the dispenser yet

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 12:01:04 (permalink)
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/11 13:58:35 (permalink)
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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/12 22:12:58 (permalink)
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If you're going to the trouble, why not also get some liquid tape to use around the GPU die, and use LM? You'd be good to go until something breaks.

Same reason I don't do liquid nitrogen cooling :D
 
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OC 24/7 -->   on my Folding Rigs ... they are Hybrid or Custom loop... unless I'm testing on stock cooler

Just trying to confirm if the articles I've read are correct or not, where they say that MX-4 is not good for overclocking but NT-H1 is.  I guess you're saying the article is wrong?
 
Personally, no preference, I just have the Noctua stuff because I have a Noctua cooler.  Trying to figure out what MX-4 has going for it that would warrant me using it over the NT-H1.  I know both are good products.




Hmm. no...nothing to do with it. Just simply, the best as far as thermal conductivity, though a bit more trouble to use is all.

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Re: Oil on GPU 2019/05/13 05:27:27 (permalink)
Yeah, everything to do with "going to the trouble"
 
There is no difference in applying MX-4 or NT-H1, but as you say, LM is more trouble to use, just as liquid nitro is more trouble to use, just different degrees of how much more trouble.  ;)
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